The ROCH Heroes' Conference *with* the Greats
During the Heroes' Conference at Luk Manor in Dai Sing Kwan (ROCH), the Chinese heroes had a dilemma because Gwok Jing was the only Greats-level warrior they had on their side to win a best of three match against the Golden Wheel Monk and his two students, Fok Do and Dat Yee Ba. The heroes were by no means certain that Gwok Jing could definitely win against the Golden Wheel Monk, and they were also uncertain who (other than Gwok Jing, of course) could definitely defeat Fok Do or Dat Yee Ba.
But what if North Beggar Hung 7 Gung (dead at the time, but for the sake of discussion, let's pretend he was still alive), East Heretic Wong Yerk See, South Emperor 1 Deng, and Chow Bak Tung were present? If we had these four Greats plus Gwok Jing to choose from, whom would you send against each opponent (it probably wouldn't matter because the two matches against Fok Do and Dat Yee Ba would be likely victories for the Chinese if all the Greats participated, but which would make for the most interesting fights?)?
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Originally posted by Ken Cheng
If we had these four Greats plus Gwok Jing to choose from, whom would you send against each opponent (it probably wouldn't matter because the two matches against Fok Do and Dat Yee Ba would be guaranteed victories for the Chinese if all the Greats participated, but which would make for the most interesting fights?)?
I'd like to see H7G fight Dat Yee Ba since he already wasted his five students so he might as well do the honors and defeat their master. I wonder what percentage of power he would need in his HL18P to defeat DYB. What about AYF? He fought DYB's pupils as well so maybe he should get a crack too.
WYS and Fok Do looks like a good match since they are both intelligent and cunning, but we only see South Emperor in combat once in the entire trilogy. I want him to cripple FD with Yat Yeung Ji. Maybe just for fun ZBT can take on both FD and DYB with L/R Hand.
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Originally posted by Condor83
I'd like to see H7G fight Dat Yee Ba since he already wasted his five students so he might as well do the honors and defeat their master. I wonder what percentage of power he would need in his HL18P to defeat DYB. What about AYF? He fought DYB's pupils as well so maybe he should get a crack too.
Who were DYB's students ?
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WYS and Fok Do looks like a good match since they are both intelligent and cunning, but we only see South Emperor in combat once in the entire trilogy. I want him to cripple FD with Yat Yeung Ji. Maybe just for fun ZBT can take on both FD and DYB with L/R Hand.
Good match ? Any Great would kill one of these guys in maximum 3 moves, and they wouldn't have to use any of their top skills.
Remember that the fisherman and the scholar didn't lose to HD and DYB. In fact the scholar was comfortably kicking Hua Do's arse. Now the young GJ in LOCH was beating 4 of them with ease (fisherman, scholar, lumberjack and farmer) while protecting HR at the same time.
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Originally posted by Candide
Good match ? Any Great would kill one of these guys in maximum 3 moves, and they wouldn't have to use any of their top skills.
I think 3 moves would be an exaggeration even though any Great should win easily. GWM, a Great level fighter, couldn't kill either Yang Guo or Dragon Girl in 3 moves, even though they weren't any better than his own disciples at that time.
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Who were DYB's students ?
The 5 uglies of the tibetan border that Hong Qi Gong was chasing after when he met Yang Guo at mount Wah.
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Originally posted by Candide
Who were DYB's students ?
Good match ? Any Great would kill one of these guys in maximum 3 moves, and they wouldn't have to use any of their top skills.
Dat Yee Bah (Da Er Ba according to Noodles translation) students were the Five Clowns of Tibet who were running around killing innocent people in the beginning of ROCH. H7G tracked them to Wah San and was going to kill them all at the same time. He then ran into YG and AYF there. AYF and H7G had a little match using the five guys as a medium to test each other's strength.
By good match, I didn't mean competitive. I said that WYS and FD would be a good match pairing because they were both the intelligent and cunning type. Maybe I should have said good pairing instead. I think a Great could only defeat FD or DYB in three moves if one of those was their best technique. H7G's HL18P at 80% power pushed DYB's five students to the brink of death. If he used it at on FD or DYB for real, it's surely death.
By the way Candide, Ken mentioned you in a previous post about 9 Yum Jun Ging. He mentioned that you think 9Y Divine Claw is not a stand-alone move and thus was not as powerful as HL18P. Is there a genuine stand-alone technique in 9Y that could rival the Greats' top skills?
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Originally posted by Mojo Jojo
I think 3 moves would be an exaggeration even though any Great should win easily. GWM, a Great level fighter, couldn't kill either Yang Guo or Dragon Girl in 3 moves, even though they weren't any better than his own disciples at that time.
That's a little bit different. Yeung Gor and Little Dragon Girl were not individually more powerful than Fok Do or Dat Yee Ba at the time, but they had that unique synergism when combining the Cheun Jen Sect and Ancient Tomb Sect techniques into their Double Sword Attack that brought them within striking range of Greats level. Fok Do and Dat Yee Ba couldn't do anything like that (the result of their attacking a Great together would be that they would be defeated and/or killed by the Great). That being said, I agree that it would probably take more than three moves unless the Great was going absolutely all-out. Fok Do and Dat Yee Ba were not pushovers, and I believe that even Gwok Jing used more than three moves when he defeated Dat Yee Ba at the Chung Yeung Temple (conversely, Gwok Jing used *no* moves to defeat Fok Do; he just let Fok Do rain blows upon his chest and took those blows as if they were *nothing*, convincing Fok Do that he was in no position to fight Gwok Jing).
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Originally posted by Ken Cheng
That's a little bit different. Yeung Gor and Little Dragon Girl were not individually more powerful than Fok Do or Dat Yee Ba at the time, but they had that unique synergism when combining the Cheun Jen Sect and Ancient Tomb Sect techniques into their Double Sword Attack that brought them within striking range of Greats level.
Hmm, I thought that even without the two of them using that technique, GWM couldn't kill either of them in 3 moves.
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Originally posted by Mojo Jojo
Hmm, I thought that even without the two of them using that technique, GWM couldn't kill either of them in 3 moves.
He probably couldn't, and for that same reason, I'm not certain that Gwok Jing or the other Greats could necessarily kill Fok Do or Dat Yee Ba in just three moves either.