Hong Kong is already well off, they don't actually need the MainLand.
Most Hong Konger speak cantonese anyway but the ccp want them to be educated in Mandarin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpiPUiSrW6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB_VULPyB0A
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Hong Kong is already well off, they don't actually need the MainLand.
Most Hong Konger speak cantonese anyway but the ccp want them to be educated in Mandarin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpiPUiSrW6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB_VULPyB0A
It's not really Hong Kong's decision to make.
SweetSourSalt, you are such a Chinese hater. What did they do to you to cause you to hate the entire Chinese race?
Why is it that only the mainlander ccp get to make the decision? there are many in that video that seems to not want the ccp too.
Uhhh Trien Chieu, what's wrong with wanting hong kong to be it own country? Why must it be with the ccp when the ccp don't even allow them to speak their cantonese language while they are doing things to make them learn mandarin?
why would hk vote a pro-china president lol
cant blame anyone but themselves
Oh, I don't know...maybe it's their huge military might compared to Hong Kong's...nonmilitary vulnerability?Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetSourSalt
We live in the real world; things follow the rules of realpolitik.
But I highly doubt they would resort to that because the entire planet would be looking at them saying it's wrong. Plus I think their capability is just for show off, sure they are high in quantity but in quality, I think it's not there yet.
I think if Hong Kong really wanted to, the rest of the planet would join in and make it happen.
Countries like Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Flip Island, Laos, Myamar, and many other south eastern asian countries are getting worry about the expansion of the ccp also.
Among them, Russia is worry that the ccp is getting into Mongolia.
India is also worry.
It seems as if the ccp have this expansion grid well planned.
It doesn't matter; those countries also follow the rule of realpolitik. There will be plenty of sanctimonious hand-wringing and slaps on the wrist for China, but ultimately, nobody is going to risk their interests for little old Hong Kong.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetSourSalt
Now if Hong Kong were a repository for oil like Kuwait, it might be a different story...
Then again, no...China is *not* Iraq.
I don't know the situation but if the protest continues and becomes to big to handle, martial law will be declare. Do you want the Hong Kongers get the same fate as the ones from Beijing back in 1989? I don't. By the way, I am not a fan of the CCP and I believe people from Hong Kong have every right to keep Cantonese as their main language.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetSourSalt
So how will they speak cantonese in the future if the ccp keep going toward teaching them mandarin?
The way they always have: learning it at home and using it on the street. The CCP might be bastards, but even they'd see the foolishness of sending their enforcers with truncheons down to Hong Kong to beat up anybody heard speaking Cantonese.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetSourSalt
But they are sending their teacher down to teach mandarin. And taking over TV shows with mandarin TV shows.
after school studies, many other ways to get them to learn it.
even many in guangzhuo feel it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4HPtFCaQtk
I think even the Republic of China would have a problem with this.
Hong Kong would love to join China (not the CCP) because I don't know...maybe their families and friends are there.
You know how many people from Hong Kong go back to the mainland everyday? That's with sometimes hours upon hours of going through the borders. Yet, people like my uncle's families do this all the time.
There's a difference between Hong Kong wanting to go back to China and Hong Kong losing its democracy because of the CCP. Hong Kong people are Chinese and they wanted to be part of China all along. What they don't want (and most of us as well) is no democracy. They want to talk about 1989 without repercussion unlike people in the mainland.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with China wanting people in Hong Kong to learn Mandarin. I do have a problem if the CCP wants Cantonese people to stop using Cantonese (but I don't think they've ever done that yet). I also have a problem with China thinking Mandarin is more important than English. When I was at the Beijing airport, a cop stopped me and started speaking to me in Mandarin. So, I spoke to him in English and then he tells me to speak China language (in Mandarin as he didn't speak a word of English). Ok, so I then started speaking to him in Cantonese (as my Mandarin is really bad and Cantonese is a China language) and he didn't understand me. He and then later his colleagues all kept speaking to me in Mandarin (very rudely)... I had no choice, but to just use my crappy Mandarin to speak to them. Luckily, I know a little Mandarin, but I'm of Cantonese decent who grew up in Canada. I mean, you and your colleagues are cops working at the Beijing airport so you should speak English. Do you expect all foreigners to speak Mandarin (even though I didn't look like a foreigner to them and they saw my Canadian passport). If you were working outside the airport, like in the city, I can understand you not speaking English. But to work at the airport and you don't speak English, how do you expect to stop foreigners if you suspect them of carrying drugs, weapons, etc...English is more important than Mandarin in these circumstances and they should have cops capable of speaking English here. I mean, all the airlines' staff members at the airport speak English. The cashiers at the airport speaks English. Yet, cops at the Beijing airport can't speak it. Not only that, but they thought I would remember my aunt's address in Zhongshan cause the street address was in English pingyin. They obviously weren't very educated cause pingyin isn't even English. It's just using alphabets to make as close to a sound of a Chinese character. How am I supposed to remember that?
well lets be honest here, u cant go to a foreign country and expect them to speak english. its like a chinese coming to america and expecting us to speak mandarin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bai Qi44
the ccp themselves don't like the mainlander, just look at 1989 for example, they brought in excessive force. So who exactly represent the mass in Mainland? If some in GuangZhuo and Hong Kong as consider a minority. while of course the ccp is just a small group too if compared to more than 1 billion of the mainlander.
I don't expect the people in the country to know English. What I do expect is cops working at a major airport in China to speak English. I mean, the guy selling chocolate bars at the airport speaks English, yet a cop who's got to deal with tons of foreigners going through the airport doesn't speak English??? How exactly would that work out cause it won't. They're lucky I spoke crappy Mandarin or else they'll have to find an interpreter. What pissed me off more was that they expected me to speak Mandarin just cause I looked Chinese to them (so they expect all Chinese looking people throughout the planet to speak Mandarin just cause they're crossing through China... hmm...).Quote:
Originally Posted by LuNaR
Anyway on a different note, English is mandatory learning in China now (starting from kindergarten on) so how can a cop working at a major airport not speak English? English is everywhere in China (in terms of signs) so it's not like the example you gave. There's a major difference between English and Mandarin as one of the 2 languages is used throughout the planet.
ah ic, true, didnt know its mandatory lol, then i agree with u lol. funny how chocolate bar selling knows more english than the cop lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Bai Qi44
Even the mongolian feel the worry of the ccp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oJXrnQvtEE
lol buddy, u can google "xxx (a specific group of people or a specific place) dislike xxx (a specific place or a specific government)" and u'll find 1000000000 results. dont be so naive by a couple videos, but i do respect your enthusiasm toward your belief lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SweetSourSalt
So are you saying that these events are not actually happening? That the ccp is never done any of these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSw9Oqmk-cE
Minority ethnic groups tend to be treated really well in China, especially when you compare it to how a lot of formal colonial countries treat their Aboriginals. (Think how terribly US and Canada manage in comparison to China.) Those in China who have assimilated live just like any other Han person, and those who have not assimilated are treated respectfully. They often live partially (or fully) off of government money and the law is kinder to them than Han Chinese people (i.e. they can set up shop without paying for a license). How sustainable (especially economically) do you think it really is for areas dominated by minority ethnicities to split off from China?
And Hong Kong may have some corporate businesses, but where do you think their food, water, resources, etc. would come from? It's a small and overpopulated island.
But the ccp is trying to completely remove cantonese from the hong konger and replace it with mandarin. Same thing with many in guangzhuo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95fOj8YotqQ
I don't think it's a bad thing for people all over the country to be able to communicate. At the end of the day, people will still know how to speak their own dialect. Mandarin is taught in schools all over mainland China, yet countless dialects still thrive. Even if the government were to take drastic measures to actually wipe out Cantonese (which it won't) that's a terrible reason to ignore the question of sustainability.
But the generation of today are different than those of years ago. There is many things that influence the mass beside school. like TV shows. there was this demonstration in guangzhuo about how cantonese tv shows were being replaced with mandarin.
English has been mandatory learning in all of China's schools since the 90's. Except then, it was only mandatory from grade 4 on whereas now, it's mandatory from kindergarten on. The sad part is, most of the people who teach English there isn't even good enough to speak it, let alone teach it. It's better now (at least in rich provinces like GuanGdong), but it doesn't get used (in terms of speaking) so people just forget it all after they graduate from school.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuNaR
Basically, any staff member (not all) at major airports throughout China speaks English as they wouldn't be hired if they didn't. For a person who posts so much about China, shouldn't you know this stuff first hand?
lol i went to china for a year for vacation, that's allQuote:
Originally Posted by Bai Qi44
rest of the economics fact i get from books. studied econ in college
Nobody really speaks the kind of Shanghainese that was spoken in the early 20th century anymore. It's been diluted by the influx of Mandarin that the Commies forces everybody to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Heiress
http://kibescorporation.blogspot.com...t-nations.html
Hong Kong has no identity. They're a monument to hypocrisy, and it's amazing that the CCP has put up with their bullcrap for so long. Truly magnanimous on their part, because aside from being British dogs, HK is also completely irrelevant to the entire rest of the world and wholly dependent on mainland tourism (hence the hypocrisy).
The Qingming Festival has been a National holiday in Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan for forever. Mainland China only reinstituted it in 2008.