Why Sun Bu'er was allowed to join Quanzhen sect?

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04-30-18, 12:06 AM
a_tumiwa

Why Sun Bu'er was allowed to join Quanzhen sect?

in Jin Yong's novel,
Quanzhen sect forbid women to join their sect , they have strict rules regarding this , but Sun Bu'er as we know is one of the 7 master (cheng yaojia was exceptional , as she was not priest nor join quanzhen).
so what is the reason behind this?
04-30-18, 01:13 AM
wkeej

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Originally Posted by a_tumiwa

in Jin Yong's novel,
Quanzhen sect forbid women to join their sect , they have strict rules regarding this , but Sun Bu'er as we know is one of the 7 master (cheng yaojia was exceptional , as she was not priest nor join quanzhen).
so what is the reason behind this?

Not sure about what JY say. Based on my limited understanding, Quanzhen is a branch of taoism. And Taoism do have lay women followers.
04-30-18, 02:25 AM
Ken Cheng

Ma Yuk and Sheun But Yee were a married couple before they met Central Divinity Wong Chung Yeung. Apparently, the couple was very wealthy in their pre-Taoist lives, and the founding of the Cheun Jen Sect depended heavily on their monetary contribution. In light of their contribution, Wong Chung Yeung could hardly refuse her.
05-01-18, 11:20 PM
a_tumiwa

so it's mean that Sun Bu'er received "special treatment" ? only her?
05-02-18, 03:44 AM
Ken Cheng

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Originally Posted by a_tumiwa

so it's mean that Sun Bu'er received "special treatment" ? only her?

Only her. She was one of the founders, after all.

Besides, it's not like there were lines of women waiting to join the Cheun Jen Sect. :)
05-02-18, 09:46 AM
wkeej

Isn't Cheng Yaojia a Quanzhen disciple too?
So, it should be no issue of women wanting to be in Quanzhen.
05-02-18, 11:27 AM
CC

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_tumiwa

in Jin Yong's novel,
Quanzhen sect forbid women to join their sect , they have strict rules regarding this , but Sun Bu'er as we know is one of the 7 master (cheng yaojia was exceptional , as she was not priest nor join quanzhen).
so what is the reason behind this?

JY needed a petty women to make young YG's life harder to cater to the mainly male fan base.

OK, OK. Seriously. Sun Bu'Er was a real life highly regarded Taoist. Since the QZ school Jy wrote about and the QZ 7 were based on the real historical QZ 7, and Sun Bu'Er was one of them (in history), it is right to include her.
05-02-18, 01:53 PM
Ken Cheng

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Originally Posted by wkeej

Isn't Cheng Yaojia a Quanzhen disciple too?
So, it should be no issue of women wanting to be in Quanzhen.

Ching Yiu Ga was a lay disciple, trained at home rather than at the Chung Yeung Temple, so that probably rendered it a nonissue.
05-03-18, 12:15 AM
a_tumiwa

yes, Cheng Yaojia/Ching Yiu Ga is sun bu'er's disciple but not quanzhen sect's disciple, similar to Qiu Chuji and Yang Kang
05-03-18, 02:56 AM
Trien Chieu

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Originally Posted by CC

JY needed a petty women to make young YG's life harder to cater to the mainly male fan base.

OK, OK. Seriously. Sun Bu'Er was a real life highly regarded Taoist. Since the QZ school Jy wrote about and the QZ 7 were based on the real historical QZ 7, and Sun Bu'Er was one of them (in history), it is right to include her.

What? highly regarded Taoist? They are a bunch of useless hypocrites.
05-03-18, 05:30 AM
wkeej

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Originally Posted by a_tumiwa

yes, Cheng Yaojia/Ching Yiu Ga is sun bu'er's disciple but not quanzhen sect's disciple, similar to Qiu Chuji and Yang Kang

Wiki did put Cheng Yaojia under Quanzhen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...oes_characters. Of course, it can be wrong.

With regard to YK, I think he never acknowledge himself to be under Quanzhen.