Re: Re: Re: Glory of DG9J
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Originally posted by Ren Wo Xing
No, the part about the Northern Plains was what DGQB said himself in ROCH, but in it, nothing was mentioned about DG9J.
That's why DG9J is so controversial. There's no DG9J mentioned in ROCH, and there's nothing of DGQB's history/other swords mentioned in XAJH.
are you saying there is two DGQB?
DG9J, IronSword, and DGKB
Reasons DG9J can be attributed to DGKB:
1. Young DGKB uses regular swords and then a flexible sword, swords which are usually used by DG9J.
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2. DG9J range is limited by the sword's length, like 6MSJ has a limited reach. IronSword goes into distance attacks such as sword-chi, so is considered more advanced. And my other reasons why IronSword is better than DG9J. So, IronSword can be superior and can be a successor to DG9J. Meaning, DG9J can be a predecessor.
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3. The regular/flexible sword stage is also when DGKB DIDNT find the SnakeGallBladders yet, and so didnt go into seclusion yet and created IronSword. Meaning during this time, he could transmit orally the DG9J and other weaker stuff. This is akin to how TaiChi sword is transmitted ... orally/taught (I think) and cannot (be?) read. A reason why the "sword tomb" doesnt contain any manuals; it had to be taught from person to person. The IronSword cannot be taught cuz thats from his hiding place, the gallbladders are there, IronSword requires alot of Chi, and it's HIS method to cream opponents. DG9J derives from other peoples stuff (aka summarizing them; sword principles) to reach acme/perfection level. Meaning, YangGuo is not fortunate to meet a DG9J user. [note: YangGuo doesnt NEED DG9J cuz his experience up to the point where he learns IronSword is SIMILAR to DG9J, especially after his lessons from Madame Gongsun: read me comments in ROCH translation.]
[[[Correct me if wrong, got headache from this :p]]]
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4. There is more evidence to support DG9J than any one concrete evidence than contradicts it. This is similar to DGKB as good as advertised, which have many concrete evidence and no one evidence disproves it.
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5. If its created by another person, like YangGuo, then a story will tell he created this technique in memory ... etc.
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Other arguments:
1. quote: No, the part about the Northern Plains was what DGQB said himself in ROCH, but in it, nothing was mentioned about DG9J.
--- There is no mention about the "IronSword technique" (could be called something else) itself, but YangGuo deduced it with the help of the DivineCondor ... Or it may mention DG9J with "fierce and sharp, able to penetrate anything" (regular sword) as well as "flexible ..." (purple sword).
More DGKB, DG9J, IronSword, etc ...
Please correct me if I'm wrong again. :)
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quote: 1) Swords which are used by FQY and LHC; not necessarily what DGQB used. In XAJH, NO ONE used anything but "normal" swords.
--- K, yeah was thinking about "normal" swords too (time constrained and cannot find the correct words at that time. :p)
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quote: 2) Anything involves qi projection so long as one's internal energy is great enough; with enough internal energy, you can project qi with a heavy sword, with a normal sword, without a sword (palms), etc. etc. etc.
quote: Finally, XTJF REQUIRES a massive amount of internal energy to use, whereas DG9J can be used with those with NO internal energy, possibly making DG9J a much more versatile weapon.
--- In comparing DG9J and IronSword, Comparing DG9J which requires 20 years [Feng Qingyang estimated, I'll let it go for 10years. :p] for LingHu and YangGuo who practices his IronSword for ~10 years, you tell me which is more powerful. Besides, DG9J doesnt account for super sword-powerUps and Chi, so IronSword is more distance-attack oriented (true Sword-Chi). [The Kenny Argument. ;)] DG9J just doesnt emphasize sword-chi/long-distance attacks as much as IronSword. As for the massive Chi needed, the snakebladders are part of the regiment for IronSword. DG9J is certainly more versatile with less requirements and is arguebly more transferable to the next person (still require a teacher), but IronSword is simply more powerful. I kinda see the progression as this: demonic in normal swords (DG9J), demonic in sword-chi (beginning:IronSword), demonic in normal/wooden swords AND sword-chi (sophisticated demon), and last "I'm done. Look momma, no swords." :p
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quote: It's specifically stated that DGQB [said he] used the Iron Sword to "roam the entire world under heaven."
--- This quote relates to "[Feng Qingyang said:] When senior master Dugu took on the ENTIRE MARTIAL WORLD with this set of Dugu Nine Swords many years ago, he couldn’t even find a single person that could defeat him"(Lanny's translation).
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It seems these two perspectives cannot co-exist; however here are reasons they can:
1) Note DGKB said his teenage years with a sharp normal sword is spent in the Northern Plains, but DGKB didnt mention where he went with the "Purple Sword." He could be undefeated in the Northern Plains at the end of the "normal sword" stage, at the "Purple Sword" stage, and this undefeated-ness (w/DG9J) can start a life-time of undefeated-ness that FengQingyang relates to with DG9J.
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2) The Entire Martial World and Entire World can be relative to geography and perspective. Feng Qingyang's "Entire Martial World visited by Dugu" may not be what Dugu had in mind; meaning, "Entire Martial World" could be the Northern part or the Southern part of REAL whole of Wulin.