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Originally posted by sixdays
hey, if magic johnson and larry bird didn't have their rivalry, who would even care about the celtics and the lakers in the 80s?
the endless YG vs GJ debate gives us cause to pore over LOCH and ROCH endlessly as well, looking for the intricacies of each fighter's martial arts so that we can win over our competition. but the real blessing of it all is that we gain a much deeper appreciation for JY's works, especially in the condor trilogy.
it's a testament to the man that 40 years after he wrote these novels, there are new generations debating and appreciating these books. so to answer temujin, there's nothing wrong with the YG vs. GJ debate...it's what welcomed me to the SPCNET forums. :D
okay, on to the discussion. (i'm a bit lazy in referring to specific posters, so i hope that y'all will indulge me a bit by letting me just use "you" instead of superboy, kencheng, etc.)
1. just because GWM was surprised doesn't mean that YG is not a superior fighter.
so YG's first hit "shocked and enraged GWM". okay...so that means this guy is completely incapacitated after and cannot counterattack? you guys have said that the sadpalms was not a combo in rapid succession...that means that JinLun GUOSHI (nods to athena) must have had the TIME to recover, if not actually doing so. all this says to me is that JLGS has a weak mental aspect when it comes to fighting, and doesn't reflect on YG's martial arts skill.
in real life, i am a student of jeet kune do. if i shock a tae kwon do man by kicking his leg as he's kicking me, does that mean that my skill is below him? nope. and if i score more hits on him because of his shock, does that say anything about my skill? only that i've successfully attacked him MENTALLY as well as physically, which is really the goal of every real martial artist. so basically, does the fact that YG surprised JLGS make him below JLGS?
nope.
2. YG was winning the match before JLGS attacked GX.
i'm going to need athena clarify a bit on what's changed in the third edition regarding this (besides the fact that JLGS saves GX in the end). however, i do remember that YG was pushing on JLGS in the beginning of the fight. YG knocked the wheel out of a prepared JLGS's hands (no surprise tactics here, just pure internal strength) with a NORMAL SWORD, for goodness sake. at the heroes' meeting, not even a heavy iron oar could match up with da er ba's staff, much less his master's wheel. to knock out the wheel of an IMPROVED JLGS with a simple soldier's sword clearly shows YG's superiority in internal strength, if not dugu technique as well. and if y'all say that it was the dugu technique that helped YG, then you better be prepared to take back all the things you said in the the other threads about underestimating DGQB...:p
3. if YG can win JLGS withOUT sadpalms, then theoretically with sadpalms he should be even stronger.
we've already established that YG has the upper hand in this fight. the only reason why he lost momentum was because of JLGS's trap (i.e. attack GX and harm YG while he tries to save her). at this point, it's only the "surprise tactic" that saves JLGS from getting beaten soundly; by your logic, should i say that JLGS is below YG here because he used a surprise tactic? no, i won't do it...because even after he ambushed YG, YG did not lose. by the same token, after YG surprised JLGS he won in 3 moves --- so they were both unprepared for their enemy throughout the fight, but YG prevailed. YG's clearly stronger, so you stop saying that surprise was the only thing that saved YG. :D
4. duguxiaojing says:
how do you intend to answer him, folks? :p it was said that YG wasn't using the "full power" of sadpalms in the beginning of the fight, yet he was able to match up with JLGS, even pushing the fight without any problems. yet later, he uses the same technique to completely obliterate JLGS. if this doesn't point to two different power levels of sadpalm, then what does?
you have said that YG's sadpalms vs. JLGS in the beginning of the fight wasn't as powerful because he wasn't sad --- yet you've also said that YG's sadpalms need sadness to work. these are contradictory statements. if YG's palms need sadness to work, then he shouldn't have been able to use the palms AT ALL against JLGS. if you're saying that the sadness he experienced because of GX being tied up was the reason for his sadpalms, then why weren't those sadpalms at "full power"? after all, all that is required for sadpalms to work is sadness, right? the level of sadness doesn't matter, right?
it just shows that my theory of "the more sad, the more powerful the palm" is correct.
that's enough for now...term paper calls
1.I never thought that YG was below GWM but not as good as what you think.He was only on equal level with the best.So I will not dispute much on why he could suprise GWM since I believed they are equal.