I placed an order for the new XAJH books last night. Hopefully, they will arrive soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whsie
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I placed an order for the new XAJH books last night. Hopefully, they will arrive soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whsie
Where can you order 3rd-edition Jin Yong novels in the US for a reasonable price?
I ordered from an online bookstore in Taiwan. The books came out to about $10 per volume, and they arrived today.
The Third edition of the Smiling Proud Wanderer
After having read the third edition of the Smiling Proud Wanderer I have noticed a few changes here and there. As usual I will jot those changes down. However, there were only very minor changes in this edition. Adding some background info here and there, expanding on some dialogues and correcting a few mistakes.
So, 99% of the novel stays the same.
1. The first corrected mistake I noticed was when Linghu Chong was banished to repenting cliff, he noticed that there was a name carved into the rocks, Feng Qingyang.
In the second edition Linghu Chong said, this elder belonged to the [Feng] character generation. But now Jin Yong has corrected it and changed it to this elder belonged to the [Qing] generation.
2. Some background information about 廣陵散. The work of Liu Zhengfeng and Qu Yang 笑傲江湖 was derived from 廣陵散. 廣陵散 was about the famous assassin of the Warring States Period, Nie Zheng who assassinated the king of the Han State. Although Nie Zheng was successful but he was also killed immediately by the guards of the king of Han. The second part is about the sister of Nie Zheng, who retrieved her brother's body and grieved for him.
Qu Yang was impressed by Linghu Chong's chivalry and righteous character, saying that Linghu's conduct is not inferior to Warring States warriors like Nie Zheng and Jing Ke, so he hoped that Linghu Chong would find a way to preserve the lifework of Liu Zhengfeng and himself.
3. Qin Weibang, an elder of the Sun and Moon Sect is now killed. In the past, he was the one who refused to submit himself fo Ren Woxing. Sang Sanniang was ordered to feed him one of those "cocoon" pills, but first by removing the outer layer of the pill. In edition 2 Qin Weibang made another appearance at the end of the novel as an elder working for Ren Woxing. But now, Qin Weibang was convulsing and cursing, he was feeling the effects of the cocoon pill. Since, his acupoints were sealed he could only squirm and curse, Xiang Wentian kicked him to death.
4. [Xixing Dafa] was derived from the Xiaoyao School's [Beiming Shengong]. Ren Woxing told Linghu Chong that the practitioner of Beiming was a member of the Duan family during the Northern Song dynasty. This emperor Duan originally did not like the idea of stealing other people's internal strength. But after reading the will of that Xiaoyao elder, emperor Duan understood that there are no really evil martial arts. A good person using Beiming to kill evil men is doing good.
Xixing Dafa has no connections with Huagong Dafa.
5. In edition 2 when Dingjing Shi Tai was about to die, she asked the disguised Linghu Chong (Wu Tiande) who he really was. Because she would not ask the help of Ren Woxing or Ren Woxing's disciple. Linghu Chong then told her his real name, Dingjing Shi Tai would say:"You....You..." and die.
But now she adds:"Thank you, young hero." and hold his hand, her eyes filled with gratitude before she passed away.
6. Another mistake that has been corrected is that in the past, the disciples of the Northern Hengshan School never seemed to know who their teacher was. Sometimes Yihe and others would refer Dingxian Shi Tai as teacher, but sometimes she would refer Dingxian Shi Tai back to martial arts uncle. The only disciple who was consistent was Yilin, but now Yihe and others do it right too.
7. Ding Mian (martial arts brother of Zuo Lengchan) is the one who leads a group of people to prevent Linghu Chong from assuming leadership of the Northern Hengshan School. In the previous editions this was Yue Hou (Great Yin and Yang Palms). Yue Hou was a rather decent chap, so I think this change was to retain the image of him being a rather decent bloke. Ding Mian is famous for being a butcher, so humiliating him was not such a big deal.
8. Another corrected mistake is in the past Linghu Chong and Ren Yingying seems to have forgotten why Ren Woxing did not learn the the Sunflower Manuscript. Even though Ren Woxing told them the reason (castration part) after the death of Dongfang Bubai. But now Ren Woxing never tells them why he did not study the manual, the readers will only read his thoughts. What he told Linghu Chong and Ren Yingying has been turned into his own thoughts.
Linghu Chong and Ren Yingying will only find out about the castration part when they hear Lin Pingzhi talking to Yue Lingshan. And then they figure out that both that "Evil Repelling Swordsmanship" and the Sunflower Manuscript need practitioners to castrate themselves.
9.
[當日在黑木崖上圍攻東方不敗,他手中只持一枚繡花針,可是四大高手竟然無法與之相抗,此刻細想 ,並非由於東方不敗內功奇高,也不是由於招數極巧,只是他行動如電,攻守進退,全然出於對手意料之外 。] chapter 35 edition 2
Now it has turned into: [當日在黑木崖上圍攻東方不敗,他手中只持一枚繡花針,可是四大高手竟然無法與之相抗,此刻細想 ,非因由於東方不敗內功奇高,也不是由於招數極巧,只是他行動如電,攻守進退,全然出於對手意料之外 。] edition 3, chapter 35
10. At the end, an extra paragraph is added with Linghu Chong's thoughts on being carefree. This is the paragraph 令狐沖一生但求逍遙自在, 笑傲江湖, 自與盈盈結褵, 雖償了平生之願, 喜樂無已, 單不免受嬌妻溫柔的管束, 真要逍遙自在, 無所拘束, 郤做不到了。 突然之間, 心中響起了 笑傲江湖之曲的曲調, 忽想﹕我奏這曲子, 要高便高, 要低要低, 只有自己一個人奏琴, 才可以自由自在, 然如和盈盈合奏, 便須依照譜子奏曲, 不能任意放縱, 她高我也高, 她低我也低, 這才說得上和諧合拍。 佛家講求涅槃, 首先得做到無欲無求, 這才能夠無拘無束。 但人生在世, 要吃飯, 要穿衣, 要顧到別人, 豈有當真無欲無求? 涅槃是無為境界, 我們做人是有為境界。 在有為境界中, 只要沒有不當得欲求, 就不會受不當的束縛, 那便是逍遙自在了。
*Again the changes are very few. If you have comments, questions about the changes please feel to pm me or e-mail me. I won't post again till probably the third edition of the Duke of Mount Deer, I won't reply to comments/questions in the thread directed towards me. But you can contact me via private message or e-mail and I will get back to you as soon as possible.
End note: I would like to thank those who have sent me private messages asking me to stay, but my mind has been made up. I am not returning to the forum actively anymore. The isolated incidents that happened some time ago did play a part why I decide to "retire." But another reason is that I have lost a lot of my credibility on the forum due to the Wang Chongyang topic. I wanted that to be the something like the DGSD elite v.s. LOCH trilogy, but it never really took off and in my eagerness to present my case I clashed with a lot of forum members.
I am also a bit uncomfortable with my status in the forum. I never expect to be treated differently or treated with reverence etc. in the forum. I am what I am, a geeky young woman who loves Jin Yong's works. Nothing more and nothing less.
But nonetheless, I am also a bit offended by the commentI don't want to pat myself on the back, but Leviathan, Kenny and myself have been pointing out some errors here and there in the novels. Leviathan and I have contributed a lot, I am not saying that we are much better than the knowledgeable members of the official Jin Yong teahouse. But we are certainly not the average Joe wuxia debater.Quote:
However, in the Chinese JY forum, Lav, Athena, and Kenny are just common wuxia scholars. If anyone's read ROTK and read LOCH or seen tv adaptations of LOCH, you'll know just how much of LOCH was ripped off of ROTK by Mr. JY.
Jin Yong never made it a secret that he was influenced by classical Chinese literature. Did James Joyce rip off Homer's Odyssey when she wrote Ulysses? Or did Tolkien just plagiarize the mythologies of several cultures?
I just found necessary to post these final words.
Goodbye everyone! Till the third edition of the Duke of Mount Deer (perhaps). It has been my pleasure to be part of this forum for the past five (*sigh) years. (Join date September 2001........, where did the time go?)
P.S. I might post small addendums if I noticed anything "new" in the third edition of the Smiling Proud Wanderer.
i want to know if yang guo appear or being mention in Heavenly Sword and Dragon Sabre.
i also want to know what happen to Yang guo and Xiao Long Nu after ROCH
He's mentioned quite a bit, but doesn't appear.Quote:
Originally Posted by heromal
It's all very vague and sketchy, but HSDS Ed. 3 indicates that they wandered the world for a time before disappearing from public view forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by heromal
For what its worth, thanks Athena! :)
Truly enjoyed your contributions to the forum.
1. when did YG and XLN separated for 16 years(the event or episode)?
2. Did YG & XLN has children?
3. is Gou Jing, Huang Rong, the five greats, YG and XLN is a fiction character?
4. How did XLN know who rape her and what happen to Zhao Zhibing(the stupid Quanzhen)
Top FAQ for RoCH:
After XLN was poisoned 'fatally'. The events leading up to this are hard to summarize into 1 sentence, so it's best to read Chapter 32 for yourself.Quote:
1. when did YG and XLN separated for 16 years(the event or episode)?
Not mentioned. Lady Yang of HSDS is believed to be their granddaughter.Quote:
2. Did YG & XLN has children?
Yes, with the exception of Wang Chong Yang.Quote:
3. is Gou Jing, Huang Rong, the five greats, YG and XLN is a fiction character?
She overheard a conversation by Zhao Zhi Zing and Zheng Zhibing (3rd Ed). Both died in the end. I didn't remember any "Zhao Zhibing" in the novel. :)Quote:
4. How did XLN know who rape her and what happen to Zhao Zhibing(the stupid Quanzhen)
Duan Zhixing is also a real historical character.
Yes of course. I forgot about him. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Chen
I found something interesting in chapter 27 of the third edition of the Smiling Proud Wanderer.
原來左冷禪適才這一招大是行險,他已修練了十餘年的「寒冰真氣」注於食指之上,拚著大耗內力,將計就計,便 讓任我行吸了過去,不但讓他吸去,反而加催內力,急速注入對方穴道。這內
力是至陰至寒之物,一瞬之間,任我行全身為之凍僵。 ------> Chapter 27, edition 2.
原來左冷禪適才這一招大是行險,他已修練了十餘年的「寒冰真氣」注於食指之上,拚著大耗內力,將計就計,便 讓任我行吸了過去,不但讓他吸去,反而加催內力,急速注入對方穴道。左冷禪所練「寒冰真氣」, 和梅莊的黑白子所練的「玄天指」乃是一路, 都是至陰至寒的工夫,不過左冷禪的內力更深厚得多,一瞬之間,任我行全身為之凍僵。-----> Chapter 27, edition 3.
Zuo Lengchan's earlier technique was most hazardous, he has accumulated polar ice energy for over a decade and transferred all that energy into his index finger at that moment. He defied the danger of losing a lot of his internal strength and allowed Ren Woxing absorb his internal power, he not only allowed he even forced it towards him by pouring it through the acupoint of his opponent. Zuo Lengchan's polar ice energy is similar to the Boreal Finger of Plum Manor's Heibai Zi, both were extreme yin and cold martial arts. However, Zuo Lengchan's internal energy was a lot deeper. In a few moments, Ren Woxing was frozen solid.
I thought that new sentence was interesting, because it sort gave an indication of how good the Four Friends of the Plum Manor were if compared to people of the Five Sacred Mountain Sword Schools.
That's all folks! Ta ta for now.
I guess the question is about the motivation of Zuo to learn this internal energy in the first place. To ward off RWX?
Han Solo
Or maybe due to the fact that Han Bin Sen Zang is stronger...? HBSZ is a external/internal cultivation. It includes the regular external techniques, but it also includes Freezing Ice Real Chi that is similiar to all those other chi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Han Solo
Glad that I have found this site, else I will never know what is the changes made in the 3rd edition. Thanks to the thread starters and everyone that had contibuted in this thread.
Because a decade ago, he nearly got killed by RWX and got a taste of XXDF (luckily RWX had an attack from an energy clash at the moment). Thereafter he thought about how he could deal with it and came up with the icy internal energy.
So he poured an entire decade's worth of internal energy eh? No wonder the effect was so strong.
I saw this from TVB's 96 adaptation but not in other adaptations.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChronoReverse
Is this in the novel?
Han SOlo
your assumptions/arguments for this, please? thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyFox
I didn't come up with this idea, you know. I personally believe Lady Yang is Yang Guo's disciple or grand disciple.Quote:
Originally Posted by wkeej
heh heh, that's HUGE. But I personally read the 4th book and I would like to make a few points clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athena
On 26) Xuanmin elders became weaker than the 8 Archers AFTER Xuan min elders got eradicated 70%. JY said that the Xuanmin elders were reduced from a 1st class to 3rd class fighter (ouch! Pretty big drop). And also, Elders couldn't practice the Palm anymore because it said something about the poison attacking the heart.
10) Plz correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this was directly stated in the novel. It's presumed due to the fact that Lady Yang was able to force ZZR to give the locations of the Peach Blossom island.
and 27) hehe, a new one. Jin Gang Jin was explained more in detail just like how the idea of of XL18Z was explained more in detail by H7G.