Why do people dislike Princess Xiang Xiang ?
I just read the Vietnamese translation of the 2nd ed of Book & Sword. I have only read the English translation by Graham Earnshaw previously. This new one quite impresses me (maybe it's because I read 2 shithouse Gu Long novels prior to that). To me, Princess Xiang Xiang is more than a likeable character, she's an angel ! :D She's so loveable that I'd rank her among my most favourite female characters. However, it also could be because I had to endure a load of terrible Gu Long's female characters in Da Qi Ying Xiong and Jue Dai Song Jiao...
Anyway, I wonder why so many people dislike this character, Princess Xiang Xiang ? Please tell me it's not because of her beauty and it hasn't got anything to do with Chen Jia Luo. :p Oh and also, please state whether you're a male, or female, or something else, as I don't believe any male can dislike her :p (unless you're batting for the other team).
/back to the bloody website project
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Originally posted by Candide
I just read the Vietnamese translation of the 2nd ed of Book & Sword. I have only read the English translation by Graham Earnshaw previously. This new one quite impresses me (maybe it's because I read 2 shithouse Gu Long novels prior to that). To me, Princess Xiang Xiang is more than a likeable character, she's an angel ! :D She's so loveable that I'd rank her among my most favourite female characters. However, it also could be because I had to endure a load of terrible Gu Long's female characters in Da Qi Ying Xiong and Jue Dai Song Jiao...
Anyway, I wonder why so many people dislike this character, Princess Xiang Xiang ? Please tell me it's not because of her beauty and it hasn't got anything to do with Chen Jia Luo. :p Oh and also, please state whether you're a male, or female, or something else, as I don't believe any male can dislike her :p (unless you're batting for the other team).
/back to the bloody website project
There's nothing seriously wrong with her but she is just too naive, that she can't detect her sister's feelings.
She is too naive and has no brain of her own. Why did she listen to Chen Jia Luo and go back into the palace? The war is not between her people and the Manchus? It is between the Manchus and the Hans. Who is CJL to decide her fate? He is not her husband or father. Just because CJL prefers to choose his country over her, doesn't mean that she has to do what he says.
Your father is dead, your brothers are dead, and most of your countrymen are dead, injured or missing. Marrying Qian Long at that time woudl prove no benefit to her family or people. Why not go back to your sister who is going nuts trying to save you and leave that piece of crap CJL, and try to save any family that you still have left?
She was very honourable by dying to warn CJL of QL's intention, but if it was not her blind obedience to stupid brainless CJL (who was to send her off to some unreliable pervert), she wouldn't have to have died.
I don't hate her, but I don't like her either. Most of my hatred for the story is directed at CJL so she is very safe from me hating her. Anyway, I am a female and I go for Huo Qing Tong's happiness (which is not with CJL, but with her family and sister).
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There's nothing seriously wrong with her but she is just too naive, that she can't detect her sister's feelings.
Err... she did. And she wanted the 3 of them to live "happily ever after". It's acceptable for Islamic followers, you know.
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She is too naive and has no brain of her own. Why did she listen to Chen Jia Luo and go back into the palace? The war is not between her people and the Manchus? It is between the Manchus and the Hans. Who is CJL to decide her fate? He is not her husband or father. Just because CJL prefers to choose his country over her, doesn't mean that she has to do what he says.
Well she loved and trusted him. She was convinced that by doing so, she could save millions of suffering Hans. At that point, she believed that Hans, Muslims or whoever were family. A bit of Xiao Feng's idea there, don't you think ?
About saving her sister... by then nobody knew where Huo Qing Tong was, and there's a high possibility that she was dead, since a seriously ill girl could hardly escape from that situation.
Princess Xiang Xiang was just unlucky that fate did not favour her.
By the way, I don't hate Chen Jia Luo either. He never wanted to be the leader of the Red Flower Society. Others forced him to. He tried his best but he was unlucky. He failed miserably but the important point is that he tried . Better than some other bastard who had all the intelligence and martial arts in the world, but pissed off to some cave with his chick while his people suffered and his friends died to protect the country.
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By the way, I don't hate Chen Jia Luo either. He never wanted to be the leader of the Red Flower Society. Others forced him to. He tried his best but he was unlucky. He failed miserably but the important point is that he tried . Better than some other bastard who had all the intelligence and martial arts in the world, but pissed off to some cave with his chick while his people suffered and his friends died to protect the country.
Chen Jialuo tried to do what seemed right to him. He was wrong. He tried his best, but failed as a fool. He than fled with the Red Flower Society to the Moslems Region and almost commited suicide out of guilt. In the end, he accomplished nothing.
The "other bastard" happened to kill the Khan and save the entire country, you know? He suffered a lot, and unlike Chen Jialuo, his suffering was not his own doing. I have much more sympathy for this other guy than for Chen.
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Chen Jialuo tried to do what seemed right to him. He was wrong. He tried his best, but failed as a fool. He than fled with the Red Flower Society to the Moslems Region and almost commited suicide out of guilt. In the end, he accomplished nothing.
He didn't have the chance and the luck. You can't blame him for that suicide attempt. Most responsible people would consider that. As for accomplising nothing, I know quite a few characters that many other people like that accomplised nothing and failed terribly. One of them is Ling Hu Chung.
Edit: I'm not arguing that Chen Jia Luo wasn't stupid. He was an idiot for believing in that crap from Qian Long. I just think that he didn't deserve that much flaming.
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The "other bastard" happened to kill the Khan and save the entire country, you know? He suffered a lot, and unlike Chen Jialuo, his suffering was not his own doing. I have much more sympathy for this other guy than for Chen.
His suffering WAS his own doing. If he could keep his hole shut, and knew how to treat people better, he wouldn't have all of that coming to him.
Yes he managed that incredible feat, which was to kill the Khan, but anyone with his ability in that situation would be able to do so. That should have been credited to Huang Yao Shi. If it weren't for his 28 stars formation, 100 Yang Guos wouldn't have been able to get that close to the Khan. Anyway after that he was given the chance, the oppoturnity to be a true hero, to do a lot more for his country. But no, he found his lover and pissed off. I wish Hong Qi Gong, Ou Yang Feng, Wang Chong Yang etc. these patriots hadn't taught him anything.
Edit2: Let's get back to Princess Xiang Xiang and leave the Yang Guo thing for the other thread :D
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He didn't have the chance and the luck. You can't blame him for that suicide attempt. Most responsible people would consider that. As for accomplising nothing, I know quite a few characters that many other people like that accomplised nothing and failed terribly. One of them is Ling Hu Chung.
Edit: I'm not arguing that Chen Jia Luo wasn't stupid. He was an idiot for believing in that crap from Qian Long. I just think that he didn't deserve that much flaming.
Yes, I know Chen Jialuo is a good person. I personally don't like him, that's all.
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His suffering WAS his own doing. If he could keep his hole shut, and knew how to treat people better, he wouldn't have all of that coming to him.
Now you sound like Guo Fu, you know that?
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Err... she did. And she wanted the 3 of them to live "happily ever after". It's acceptable for Islamic followers, you know.
Well she loved and trusted him. She was convinced that by doing so, she could save millions of suffering Hans. At that point, she believed that Hans, Muslims or whoever were family. A bit of Xiao Feng's idea there, don't you think ?
I was referring to HQT's feelings when she went back into the palace.
Tell GJ that he would be able to save millions of Hans suffering by marrying Hua Zheng after Genghis Khan indirectly caused the death of his mother, never to see HR again. Would he do it?
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About saving her sister... by then nobody knew where Huo Qing Tong was, and there's a high possibility that she was dead, since a seriously ill girl could hardly escape from that situation.
Princess Xiang Xiang was just unlucky that fate did not favour her.
By the way, I don't hate Chen Jia Luo either. He never wanted to be the leader of the Red Flower Society. Others forced him to. He tried his best but he was unlucky. He failed miserably but the important point is that he tried . Better than some other bastard who had all the intelligence and martial arts in the world, but pissed off to some cave with his chick while his people suffered and his friends died to protect the country.
We are talking about a sick Huo Qing Tong, brilliant military strategist and very bright girl, with abilities to defend herself, not a sick WYY! I don't even think that Xiang Xiang thought her sister had died since she was so naive.
And even if HQT was dead, how about her people? She would be the only surviving member fo the chief's family and the only one who could reoder and regroup the hiding and missing clansmen!
CJL failed not because he was unlucky, but because he was too trusting of the wrong people. QL is a man brought up by Manchu values and Manchu ways. He is extremely filial to his adopted mother and he has all the power in the world. He can get most of the women he wants and he enjoys his position.
Just because you share the same blood as a person you haven't seen before, doesn't mean that you can rely 100% on him. Why would he risk change to his current position? Yes, he would still be the Emperor but the change of the ruling ethnicity would truly have an effect on his rule? What if the people didn't believe that he was a Han and overthrew him?
CJL never considered the POV of his brother and, and just saw the plan the way he wanted it to be. As a leader with the lives of so many people in his hands, CJL should have been more cautious. And thus he failed miserably.