Heroine of the Yangs 1&2
 

I think the old thread got lost or deleted.

So here I am starting the thread. I recently rewatched them both and man...I so love Gilbert's character and Annie's.

While I rewatched the episodes between Gilbert and Annie. I wondered why Gilbert loved Annie so much or how or when he started to love her.

My theory is Gilbert wished someone had cared for him when he was a little boy. (I hope this make sense).

1. When Gilbert tried to save Annie from falling off the cliff and ended up falling down the cliff with her. I think he wanted/wished someone had saved him from those soldiers that threw him off the cliff. So that's why he saved Annie...it wasn't that he felt anything for her yet, he just didn't want anyone else to fall down THAT cliff.

I mean we all know the days he spent with his Uncle scarred his life forever and thus "took a good boy and ruined him" as Pai Fong said. So I think that is why in his self-conscious he saved Annie and I don't think he knew why he saved her in the first place.

2. Annie read his stone carved diary. As a little boy, he had no one to run to and talk about the abuse he went thru. Even though he blew up the stone diary, saying he doesn't want anyone to pity him and something along the lines of 'who said you can read it'. He's a proud and arrogrant man...he doesn't want to reveal his heart and weakness to anyone.

But that moment he showed up at the doorway of the cave and saw that she was reading it and shed a tear for him. I think he was touched a bit wasn't he? When he was a kid he had no one who sympathize his situation, this is where Annie comes in...because she sympathize for the past trauma he faced as a child. She cared when nobody else in his life did, and no one else knew his painful past.

3. The fact that Gilbert and Annie shared a vengeance of their parents being killed and betrayed by the same man who stole the gold that was suppose to restore the Northern Song empire. They share the same pains of losing their parents and everything the cherished.

Gilbert probably saw Annie as the only person who can understand, sympathize him, care for him, and someone who really knew the real him under all that layer of coldness, ambition and revenge.

Like a I said before when Annie and Gilbert fell down the cliff, Gilbert kind of relived those years he spent down there, except this time, he had Annie to care for him and sympathize for all the pain he experienced there. She was the kind of person he needed then but is there with him this second time. So I think that is why that morning after he saved that pigeon, he was looking so affectionate at Annie , who was sleeping against a big rock. It was so cute when she was waking up and he pretended to look away.

The sequel...I think Gilbert finally became the man in Annie's heart. I mean in the prequel, Annie said "I want you to be the Ho Nam in my heart, and it doesn't matter how long, I'll wait for you." Man it had to take 16 years but they finally reunited and got married.

I hope I'm not stating the absolute obvious here hehehhhe :o

I have more to say but I'll save it for later.

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cool ideas. Way to go :p .
I love Gilbert in that series too. He is sooo handsome. Have you seen The Good Old Days yet? He was acting with Amy Chan in there too. He also ran after her, but she rejected him :D

I was kinda disappointed in this series at first because Vicent Jiao's character was extremely irratating in his heroic-ness and Amy looked too old for him. But after seeing the blossoming of Anne's and Gilbert's relationship in here, I was hooked. The below-the-cliff scenes were great. It is my opinion that all good wuxia/ancient shows must have a cliff scene. ;) (return of the condor heros 95, yang saga, revelation of the last hero, zu mt. saga are some of really good shows that all have a cliff scene somewhere in them; not to be mistaken with the confusion that all shows with cliff scenes are good; some wanna-be-good shows have a cliff scene or two but still no good ).

The only reason i continued to watched part II was to see if anne and gilbert would end up together. While I was disappointed in gilbert's character's uncoolness in the sequel (like to call him "Billy-Bob" in there), their relationship was still so very touching. I was glad they at least have a happy ending cuz I really don't care for the other characters (especially Crystal's character. throughout the whole thing I kept wondering if ppl would find out that the last generation of the yang was really a girl dressing up to be a guy. Then suddenly the guy/girl had a crush on that lady or something and I was highly confused :( ).

Yea, this series is awesome. I love Amy and Annie in here, they both were really good. I hate Amy's kid tho. The girl who played as a guy, He/She was so annoying!

Anyone know her name? I have seen her in other movies also.

Hey! This might sounds weird, but I think that when Amy stands next to Gilbert, they look so cute together. I think that because I've seen them acted together in The Good Old Days with Steven Ma Jing Tao. Gilbert loves Amy, but she rejected him. :(

Hi, SS. Wow, I didn't even know you wrote such a long analysis on Heroine of the Yangs, or else, I would have replied. :D I haven't watched the series in a long time, I almost forgot the plot, but reading your post reminds me of how much I loved Yelut Honam and Yeung Paifong. :)

Yes, I agree with you. I think Honam first tried to save Paifong when she fell of the cliff because he was acting on reflex. He himself had fallen off the cliff many years back, so he naturally reached for her when she slipped over the edge. But emotions can grow and love can blossom, especially for two people isolated at the bottom of a cliff, where ambitions, revenge, and the lust for power can be temporarily placed on hold and true feelings can come forth. In the underground palace, Honam faced his horrific past again, reliving moments he could never forget. He was vulnerable, and when Paifong showed him kindness and sympathy, he was initially defensive, but eventually succumbed to such caring. To him, she embodied innocence, love, and kindness in their purest form. She represented everything that he yearned for, but was forced to live without. And in the cut throat world of court politics and backstabbing, her smiles and gentle touch shone like rays of warmth and comfort. It was no wonder that our ruthless, manipulative, and evil Honam fell in love. :D

oh my...someone's very poetic! :D

what i liked most about gilberts character, that he had given up annie when they returned to their world, because revenge and restoring a dynasty was more important to him then love. i admire his character for that.

my most memorable scene would be when he tried to kill her in the forest. alot of people delude themselves that he would stop at the last minute, even if amy didn't come in time.

but really i don't think he would, in his mind at that time, he would have rathered that he killed her now, then let her fight agaisnt him in battle. in a way, it was shown that he loved her enough to let her existence effect him in his quest, thats how important she was too him. and being the 'man' that he was, he had chosen to get rid of the only thing standing in his way, his love for her. very touching to me.

Linda, I think you have a very good point. I have to admit that I was one of those people who harbored delusions that Honam would have stopped himself from killing Paifong if Kwaiying had not rescued her. :( But your point of view makes a lot of sense. Honam loved Paifong, but he lusted for revenge so much more. She was the one and only person who possessed his heart, the one woman who could potentially stand in the way of his plans for revenge by appealing to his softer and kinder side. And so she must die, or he was afraid that, one day, he will give in to that tiny part of him that wanted to run away with her, to build a life with her, to forget about revenge.

were u? my sis was one too. but no matter how hard i tried to explain to her, she just doesn't get it. she's a romantic at heart and thinks loves conquers all. :D

frankly, i'm not one of those people, i believe there are alot of other things taht are more important then love, and admire characters that has the same view. thats probabily why i don't like alot of the new day films that makes love be the be all and end all of life, i prefer the older ones that things like custome, country, parents stand before love.

True, love is not everything, but that's what we romantics want to believe. And the storyline is so much more sweeter that way. :D Besides, where would we find a situation where love conquers all if not in the fictional world of a series? :D

By the way, Linda, have you seen Heroine of the Yangs part 2? Honam was much sweeter in there, but less cool. A lot of people preferred the ruthless Honam in part 1 compared to the sweet and kind one in part 2. I would have to agree. In part 2, after he regained his memory, I kept hoping he would also regain some of his evilness and ruthless ambition. It definitely made him more interesting. :D

Like I said before or haven't I? Anyways...Part 1 was about Honam fufilling his ambitions and taking back what is meant for him. Pretty much part 1 was about him and he couldn't choose love and forget all that he had been working for, for all these years of training and working with the Liaos to overthrow the Southern Song dynasty. Although deep down he loved Pai-Fong very much, he wasn't ready to dismiss his ambitions to regain the Northern Song empire to go live a simple life with her. So he had to say goodbye to their relationship and continue on according to what was originally planned.

Part 2, he lost his memory, so it was like a second chance at life, where he can choose to follow his heart rather than his mind(opposite to what he chose in part 1). So naturally when he met Pai Fong again, he no longer had the ambition to restore the N. Song dynasty weighing on his shoulders no more, what he had was a second chance of living the life of a carefree person, who could freely choose whom to love and live simply. He saw Pai Fong and couldn't live without her and followed her around to find Madame Yang. I think I've said this before that...now this Honam can pursue what his true hearts of heart wanted, was to marry Pai Fong and live "happily ever after" never parting again. So if he appears to be less "cool" or ruthless and evil, maybe he doesn't care anymore about that, actually his main concern is to love and be loved by Pai Fong and protect her with everything he's got.

tt girl is called Crystal tin
chinese= tian rui ni

Hehe, these two series are really some classics :D Very enjoyable and the main cast is awsome! Whenever I re-watch this serie, I keep thinking about the artists! Amy and Vincent are doing good for themselves, but I still think these characters they played are my favorites :D Espically Vincent's!!!! Also I wish that Gilbert and Annie will be getting more leads in the future. Know that Gilbert returned to ATV, but who has Annie signed with since her contract expired with TVB.

Anyways I agree with you mel :hug: hehe. Gilbert really was very intriguing in the first part as Ho Nam. Though he sure was a sweetheart in the second one. Lol, I like both parts of him, but I prefer his the first. Though he was really cold and tough, it was just heart warming to see what he did for Annie. I loved the scene where he kept following Annie around to make sure she made it back home safely!!! :touched:

Hehe, the conversation really seems to be focused on Annie and Gilbert! So I'm just going to switch it over to Amy and Vincent :p hehe. Anyways have to mention my favorite scene with them! Have a couple, but one was in the second part. It was when Amy and Crystal set fire to those cocain bags or whatever and the emperor was demanding who did this. Once Vincent finds out, there is a whole argument amongst the family as to forgiving those two. Yet in the end Vincent decides to bring them to the emperor, but half way there he angers Amy to make her leave with Crystal. :( I was really really touched by this!! :crying: He wanted to fulfill his duties and uphold justice, but still couldn't let his wife or "son" take the blame. :touched: So he decided to do it himself!!! Good thing Amy realized this though and then Crystal as well :D

i saw part of this series but couldn't finish it. Can someone tell me the summary for this series? and the ending in detail?

youre right...almost all heroine of the yangs fans like to talk about the young character..=annie gilbert....so i dont really get to talk about the main lead kwaiying n zhong po...so yeah amy is older than vincent...now whats wrong with that when she can act termendously wonderful opposite him?....love the series....my all-time favourite heroine.....definitely Muk Kwai Ying!

I really like Kwai Ying and HoNam. I rewatch all of their series that they were in together.

i dont know, Ho Nam and Kwai Ying lack the sparks..tho its nice to see them fighting each other....

:) I meant I like them alot in The Good Old Days.

oh yeah....Ho Man and Sau Hao is definitely an item....far better than Ho Sang.That exaggerated man, i dont know whether to blame the actor Ma Jing Tao or the writer...duh, he's such an annoying guy......Ho Man deserves Sau Hao much more than him!

actually, it said in the script that Ho Man would be with Sau Hao at the end. The series wasn't supposed to have part III. It was supposed to end at part II, where Ho Man, Sau Hao and the other daughter in law gained back the family's reputation. Ho Sang died in the war and Ho Man sacrificed himself to save Sau Hao, she fell for him in the end and they live happilly ever after... The director decided to change the story.

I love your avatar. :)