How Guo Jing met Huang Rong

[Yang Ming]

Let's see your opinion after reading babyblues' post

Nevertheless, is it selfish for Yang Kang to love another father other than his biological one due to the fact that his biological father is poor?

You again completely missed the point. It's not just about rich or poor. It's about a criminal who destroyed a happy marriage and family, plotted to kill the husband in order to snatch his wife. For the son to accept the criminal's bribe to overlook the crime against his parents, and then accept the criminal as his father, is despicable. That makes YK selfish and bad.

Now I just wanna say that, selfish and bad are 2 separately different things.
You can either be a generous and bad person or a selfish and good person.
Someone could accidentally harm you with his good will, someone could accidentally profit you with his bad will.
Did I make some sense?

[wuming]

Guys, I have to go offline for a week. Will have to get back to you later.

[wuming]

Now I just wanna say that, selfish and bad are 2 separately different things. You can either be a generous and bad person or a selfish and good person.Someone could accidentally harm you with his good will, someone could accidentally profit you with his bad will. Did I make some sense?

Since your replies to me are beastly (as you admitted), I must tackle your beastly post first before I go off.

YK was both selfish AND bad. I am not talking about other people, I am talking about YK. You are off track and hence, don't make sense.

YK was selfish because he only considered his own happiness without considering his parents' happiness.

YK was bad because he ignored the terrible crime committed against his parents and instead chose to remain with the criminal and acknowledge him father, all because he was greedy for wealth and power.

There are other reasons why he was selfish AND bad (eg. his deceitful relationship with MNC, murdered GJ's teachers, almost killed GJ, etc..). But since we are talking about you symphatising with his choice of fathers, I won't go into those.

Suffice to say, YK is both selfish AND bad. All your other combinations (selfish but good, generous but good) may relate to OTHER people, but they do not relate to YK.

[Yang Ming]

I answered to you beastly not to insult you, I think it would be good to reply you in such style that you could easily see the dark side of life.
Most people are not as loyal as you, they are not always "good" and even if they are "good", it doesn't mean that they are not kind to everyone, on behalf of themselves or their groups.
That's why I always appreciate true love, no matter where it comes from, from "evil" one like Xi Du to "good" one like Bei Xia and do not get obsessed with general conclusions.

Reading both yours and babyblues's posts, I get the feeling there is quite a lot of symphathy for YK and that it is difficult to make a judgement whether he was bad or not. For me though, I have no problem making the call. YK was a bad person.

When babyblues and I debate with you, she agreed that Yang Kang was not a good person and I haven't concluded anything. We were mostly talking about our sympathy with Yang Kang. We haven't discussed much about his badness.

Let's talk about selfishness & sympathy first.
I hope you'll be cool down after one week, enjoy your time

[babyblues]

Dear Yang Ming,
Glad to see you missed me. Very strange though. I am online everyday but somehow it doesn't show me that there have been new messages in this thread. Maybe my comp slow reaction. And is my post really so girlie?

Anyway, Wuming. Hope you do calm down. Both Yang Ming and I have tried to explain why we think a certain way. You may still disagree. We don't mind. But don't get so heated up? I don't think either Yang Ming and I have attacked you in any way. But we both use different ways to put across our thoughts. When we raise examples of other people, it's to try to put across an idea to you objectively cos you already don't like Yang Kang and so maybe unable to isolate the certain aspects we wish to highlight to you only. For e.g. I wanted to only highlight the choice and dilemma he had to make in choosing at the beginning on whether to follow either his biological father or his adopted father. I didn't want to cloud the issue with the rest of his other actions like killing Ouyang Ke and blaming Guo Jing, bluffing Mu Nianci to bed with him etc. So to prevent you from being affected by all these aspects, I raise an example that wasn't affected by all these other things. I think Yang Ming is doing the same thing. So I don't think it was very nice of you to say he was off track and not making sense.

I don't know how Yang Ming feels about it but maybe as a girl, i felt your sentence was a bit sensitive?

I think I've done enough to try to explain how I feel about Yang Kang with regard his adopted father. If you still maintain your views about his choice of parents, I respect your view.

[Yang Ming]

It is not strange for me to miss someone , if I like some style, I want to read it everyday. Yes, your posts in this thread are very girlie, especially when they are compared to my beastly ones. However, of course they are a few which are not, such as " Ha ha, I disagree for 3 reasons:"

I don't know how Yang Ming feels about it but maybe as a girl, i felt your sentence was a bit sensitive?

[babyblues]

Haha. actually I don't find your posts beastly. But maybe I'm biased cos you are on the same side as me. heehee.

Anyway, Yeah. I now realise my posts are very girlie compared to the rest of you. But it adds on something interesting I hope. that I'll be able to explain how girls see and react to things differently. PS: I just added another girlie post on the GJ is best suited for HR poll. Help me out there too! Since we seem to see things qute similarly. Although you consider some things that I never think of. You are like a more cheem version of me.

[Yang Ming]

Yes, that's why I like them.
Girls see and react to things differently. Eventhough I believe that I could understand them and use a girlie point of view to approach debates, I think it's kinda ridiculous and my post will never be as original as one from a girl. I feel more comfortable using my perspective, hence, only use that approach unless I really need to.

I am very glad that we have a lot of similarities, I feel very bad when having no one to share my feelings. I think we have the same characteristics, I just use more intellectual thoughts in my posts. I'll write emotionally sometimes if you want, don't laugh so much when reading them heehee

[babyblues]

Haha. Yeah. It's nice to find someone who sees things the same way as you. Though we have different ways of expressing it. Anyway, will people laugh if you write in a girly manner? Are you guys out there all laughing at me?

hehe. no lah. I not angry.

I may be a guy for all you know. but I guess not, cos pretty obvious the way I write huh. Anyway, how girly can your post be when you are not actually a girl?

Hey, where's Wuming? He said he'll be gone for a week. I waiting for him to come and reply to our post again. heehee. But actually he got nothing to reply to. We haven't written anything new. Aiyah, by the time he comes back, I will be gone for 5 days. I am going KL for holiday.

Anyway, how did we end up talking about Yang Kang when this thread is about how GJ met HR? Eh, i thot someone wanted to talk about Mu Nianci? Is it you, Yang Ming?

[Yang Ming]

Ha ha, I laughed for 1 minutes after reading your first paragraph.
Well, if I write like that, some girls like, some hate . It depends.

I couldn't believe that you are not a girl. Girls' and boys' ways of thinking a very different and my style is more suitable to talk to girls hehe.
I'll write some posts like that if you want, when inspiration comes.
It's not strange though, Jin Yong has written a lot when describing female characters' feelings and emotions. However, it's not very good to use literature language in daily life.

wuming has gone for only 4 days, time seems to be longer when you wait.
Where are you going for holiday?

I don't think I've said that I wanna talk about Mu Nian Ci, but I want .
Anyway, we have to wait for someone with different opinions haha.

[babyblues]

HUh? only 4 days? I guess for me, I keep checking this site like 5 times in a day so it seems longer. Haha. I am going Kuala Lumpur for short holiday.

Yeah, I guess it's no fun if only 2 of us talk about Mu Nianci and no one else with differing view comes around cos we will just agree with each other then end of story. But what's there to talk about her? ABout how she chose to run after Yang Kang although she knows he is on the opposite side?

[Guo Xiang]

Babyblues, you could be a guy? I'm sorry but your username and chosen avatar totally obscures that, if it's true.

[JigSta]

hmm I might jump in on this discussion.
I'm male, 21 , a libra, and I enjoy watching wuxia series no confusion I hope. lol

Everyone in the world wants happiness. It's the choices you make to get their that matters. YK was an intelligent man. He lied, cheated, manipulated and killed. He knew full well what he was doing to his friends, his parents, his lover and his teacher. He used their love for him for personal gain. That is selfish. True, his one redeeming quality was that he did, indeed, love his adopted father. The choices he made to stay with him though, is what makes him a bad person.
Yes we CAN judge him. He is a character in a story. We are allowed to see his motivations and deeds. In real life, we are not privy to the minds of other people.

hmmm, my post is not 'beastly' and 'man-ly'...
how bout this:
YK was baaaaad!!! And when I say bad, I mean Eviiiiil!!! Where's my beer!? Where's my beer!?....

'Beastly' Enough?

[babyblues]

Babyblues, you could be a guy? I'm sorry but your username and chosen avatar totally obscures that, if it's true.

That is so true, Darhh - Ling.

Heehee. I've been watching The Incredibles.

[babyblues]

hmm I might jump in on this discussion.
I'm male, 21 , a libra, and I enjoy watching wuxia series no confusion I hope. lol

Everyone in the world wants happiness. It's the choices you make to get their that matters. YK was an intelligent man. He lied, cheated, manipulated and killed. He knew full well what he was doing to his friends, his parents, his lover and his teacher. He used their love for him for personal gain. That is selfish. True, his one redeeming quality was that he did, indeed, love his adopted father. The choices he made to stay with him though, is what makes him a bad person.
Yes we CAN judge him. He is a character in a story. We are allowed to see his motivations and deeds. In real life, we are not privy to the minds of other people.

hmmm, my post is not 'beastly' and 'man-ly'...
how bout this:
YK was baaaaad!!! And when I say bad, I mean Eviiiiil!!! Where's my beer!? Where's my beer!?....

'Beastly' Enough?

eh, no need to even say your birthsign lah. Btw, I want to move to your country! heehee.

I'm sorry, but I don't follow your logic that Yang Kang is bad in choosing to stay with his adopted father although his redeeming quality is that he loved him. And what's the thing about your beer?

[Tazzy1972]

thought wuxia should be free from sexist remarks??

[Yang Ming]

Babyblues, you could be a guy? I'm sorry but your username and chosen avatar totally obscures that, if it's true.

How is your "big asset" business with Homura? It's so hilarious

[Homura]

How is your "big asset" business with Homura? It's so hilarious

Eh? How did I get pulled into this thread?

[Homura]

That is so true, Darhh - Ling.

Heehee. I've been watching The Incredibles.

My goodness... has Yang Ming has been flirting with a guy ???
*lol*

[wuming]

When babyblues and I debate with you, she agreed that Yang Kang was not a good person and I haven't concluded anything. We were mostly talking about our sympathy with Yang Kang. We haven't discussed much about his badness.

Babyblues said, "like I say, always difficult to say someone is good or bad." And you parroted, "Yeah....."

Saying that YK "was not a good person" is not the same as saying "YK was a bad person".

Not only were you two symphatising with YK, you two were arguing that we cannot conclusively judged YK as being a bad person. That is ridiculous. YK was a bad person period.

Now, you want to talk about sympathy? Alright, let's talk about sympathy. I say that your sympathy is misplaced because you can only give selfish reasons for his behaviour. Those selfish reasons do not justify any sympathy at all.