Crossover Universe Extravaganza!

[zhaozilong44]

Anyone watched GT?

Super 18 did pretty well against Goku, though he finally lost.

The ShenLong nearly destroyed Goku... In fact, Goku was depleted of energy. It took the combined qi of every living thing in the universe to kill the ShenLong.

Goku has been killed before. By Cell exploding. I cant remember how he died the 1st time.

I didn't say Goku's Kamehameha was his most powerful technique. I just said that it's capable of destroying a whole galaxy.

Besides, not only is Goku powerful, but some of his allies and enemies (such as Perfect Cell, Super Trunks, and Super 17) can make mince meat out of nearly everyone in the wuxia universe, Marvel, Naruto, DC, etc...

The 1st time he died should be when he sacrificed his own life against his brother Radditz. He held on to him while a quite willing Piccolo blasted both of them.

[Exodus]

Come on guys cosmic beings like The Living Tribunal, Celestials, The molecule man would easily destroy Goku.

[Omniflame]

Goku has powers that seem to dwarf just about everything in any other story, period. I'm thinking only something that's 'transcedent', instead of 'powerful', can defeat him, such as Buddha. On his own playing field, he's the indisputable #1; it'll take someone on a higher level of existence entirely to take him out.

Well, Sun WuKong becomes a "Buddha" at the end of the Journey, so he's powerful enough to defeat Goku.

[qiaofeng]

Sun wukong cant beat goku. gouku would waste him. +wukong had to borrow magic stuff from guan yin several times cus some demons were too tuff to handle

[Ren Wo Xing]

RE Omniflame: Yeah, but come on, the Buddha of Fighting Adversity through Strife. I'm not so sure if that's enlightened enough

Actually, I personally think that Sun Wukong COULD have handled all of those monsters no sweat, if it were not for two things.

1) He had to protect his master (anyone who plays any fighting games at all, on escort missions, know how much more annoyingly difficult they can be than regular 'destroy the target' missions).

2) He was of basically mischievious/evil nature, which was partially surpressed by Guan Yin's charm, IMO, as well as the fact that he became Buddhist.

I mean, come on. This guy whupped the crap out of the Gods, and every God except Erlang (and even then, he might not've lost if it weren't for interference from Laozi), and after he was forged in Laozi's cauldron for a time, he only became more powerful. I refuse to believe he'd have any serious problem with monsters if it weren't for those two things above.

[qiaofeng]

in terms of power, sun wukong ranks no.3 along with erlang shen. 1st is of cus buddha and 2nd is guan yin. even buddha may not be a match for goku, no to mention sun wukong

[Omniflame]

in terms of power, sun wukong ranks no.3 along with erlang shen. 1st is of cus buddha and 2nd is guan yin. even buddha may not be a match for goku, no to mention sun wukong

Nope, Wu Kong doesn't rank #3 in terms of power in JttW. He's probably not even in the top 10. The Taoist that owned the ginseng trees, Mi Le Buddha, the crow bodhistatva, numerous other bodhistavas and buddhas that appeared are more powerful than him. In terms of 'fighting' though, Wu Kong is tied with Er Lang and 6 Er Li Hou for top spot.

Remember, Wu Kong can make many copies of himself (that are equal in power)

Wu Kong is immortal. He can't die. He could simply turn small, fly into Goku's stomach and rip him apart. (Goku can't really defend against that)

[Zhuge Liang]

Galactus consumes planets. I think Goku might be beat. Considering the trouble Goku has with just one villain i think he is gonna get owned. Galactus is not invincible but i think it will take a capsule corp super invention or shenlong's intervention to best him. Unless they can get the watcher to intervene.

[zhaozilong44]

Galactus consumes planets. I think Goku might be beat. Considering the trouble Goku has with just one villain i think he is gonna get owned. Galactus is not invincible but i think it will take a capsule corp super invention or shenlong's intervention to best him. Unless they can get the watcher to intervene.

Yes, Galactus does consume planets, but Goku destroys them! Hell, if Goku really wanted to, he could destroy a whole galaxy with just a single blast (he be dead too if he was in that galaxy since he can't survive in space).

Goku does have trouble with just one villain (ie. Super 17, Cell, Freeza, etc...), but these aren't your everyday average joes. They, too, are more than capable of destroying planets/ solar systems/ galaxies (well not Freeza and those below him).

Then again, Goku grows amazingly more powerful after every villain he fights. He had a lot of trouble with Freeza in the Freeza saga, but towards the start of the Trunks Saga, Goku became capable of making mince meat out of Freeza in seconds (like Trunks did).

[zhaozilong44]

Nope, Wu Kong doesn't rank #3 in terms of power in JttW. He's probably not even in the top 10. The Taoist that owned the ginseng trees, Mi Le Buddha, the crow bodhistatva, numerous other bodhistavas and buddhas that appeared are more powerful than him. In terms of 'fighting' though, Wu Kong is tied with Er Lang and 6 Er Li Hou for top spot.

Remember, Wu Kong can make many copies of himself (that are equal in power)

Wu Kong is immortal. He can't die. He could simply turn small, fly into Goku's stomach and rip him apart. (Goku can't really defend against that)

You're right, but Goku can still fight after he dies. Even in ghost form, he's capable of destroying galaxies. I mean, how can Wu Kong kill Goku after Goku's dead? Since neither will cease to not exist, then Goku will still be the more powerful of the two. Besides, it's not like Goku can't turn Wu Kong into powder. I'm not sure if Wu Kong can really cease to exist if he was turned into powder.

[Black Night Sea]

Can't Wu Kong piece himself together since he learnt Jin Gang Bu Bai Zhi Shen? They're basically the same character anyway Goku - probably translates to Wu Kong. That's where it's originated from in the old Dragonball series by creator Akira. Hence, the cudgel, tail and the nimbus.

[Divine Condor]

You're right, but Goku can still fight after he dies. Even in ghost form, he's capable of destroying galaxies. I mean, how can Wu Kong kill Goku after Goku's dead? Since neither will cease to not exist, then Goku will still be the more powerful of the two. Besides, it's not like Goku can't turn Wu Kong into powder. I'm not sure if Wu Kong can really cease to exist if he was turned into powder.

After Goku dies, he automatically gets taken into heaven (like when he died the first time). He doesn't die and get right back up like a zombie. (He didn't get right back up after getting shot in the chest and killed by Piccolo)

Like Hanky Panky said, Wu Kong can just grow back. He's immortal, remember? Goku can't turn Wu Kong into powder anyways though. (because of Wu Kong's magic)

If they actually fought, it would probably result in Wu Kong distracting Goku with hundreds of copies of himself, allowing one of the Wu Kongs to fly into his stomach.

[zhaozilong44]

Hanky,

Yes, they're the same character, but not in terms of power. Akira Toriyama basically copied Wu Kong's character and called it "Goku". However, in terms of power, I personally think Goku is way higher than Wu Kong. Of course, I'm talking about near SSJ 2 Goku and beyond.

After Goku dies, he automatically gets taken into heaven (like when he died the first time). He doesn't die and get right back up like a zombie. (He didn't get right back up after getting shot in the chest and killed by Piccolo)

Like Hanky Panky said, Wu Kong can just grow back. He's immortal, remember? Goku can't turn Wu Kong into powder anyways though. (because of Wu Kong's magic)

If they actually fought, it would probably result in Wu Kong distracting Goku with hundreds of copies of himself, allowing one of the Wu Kongs to fly into his stomach.

I know that, but that's not my point. Besides, even when dead, Goku could still fight Buu. I'm not talking about Goku being transported to another dimension after he dies, I'm talking about just his fighting ability and the fact that he's still just as powerful even when dead.

And of course Goku can turn Wu Kong into powder. Just one blast from him can turn planets into powder so I don't see why Wu Kong wouldn't be affected. Then again, I guess you're right. Neither of them can really die so neither will come up the victor. However, I still put my money on Goku for being the more powerful of the two.

With the flying in stomach thing, I'm thinking about the incident with Goku and Vegeta in Super Buu (or was it Kid Buu).

[Divine Condor]

I know that, but that's not my point. Besides, even when dead, Goku could still fight Buu. I'm not talking about Goku being transported to another dimension after he dies, I'm talking about just his fighting ability and the fact that he's still just as powerful even when dead.

And of course Goku can turn Wu Kong into powder. Just one blast from him can turn planets into powder so I don't see why Wu Kong wouldn't be affected. Then again, I guess you're right. Neither of them can really die so neither will come up the victor. However, I still put my money on Goku for being the more powerful of the two.

With the flying in stomach thing, I'm thinking about the incident with Goku and Vegeta in Super Buu (or was it Kid Buu).

Um, have you ever read JttW? Wu Kong learned that magic thing that makes his body indestructable (unless he purposely allows it to be taken apart). So, again, no, Wu Kong cannot be turned into powder by Goku.

Uh, no. See if Wu Kong flies into Goku's body and starts expanding, causing his body to explode, Goku won't have a body to fight with anymore. So just because he exists in the 'afterlife' and is just as powerful, he can't fight Wu Kong anymore.

I don't see what your getting at here. Wu Kong = immortal. Goku = not immortal. But you're saying that since Goku is just as strong as he is when he's in the afterlife, he could still fight Wu Kong. (what?) If Goku is in his 'dead' state, he could still get his body destroyed anyways. (then he'd be a cloud)
When they were worried that Freeza would gain immortality from the dragon balls, Goku never said "Oh don't worry, I'm just as strong as I am in the afterlife." because it's irrelevant.

When Goku returned to earth and fought against Fat Buu, he had a certain limit as to how much power he could use, remember? He had to return to heaven when that ran out/or after 24 hours. Then that purple guy gave him his life later.

Okay, that's Goku + Vegeta flying into Buu's stomach, causing him to feel pain and turn into evil Buu. Wu Kong would just expand and destroy Goku. Goku can't defend against that. You completely ignored this point.

I'm not sure how Goku would defend against Wu Kong's other magic either. Wu Kong could turn just Goku into a jelly bean (Buu style) and step on him..

[Homura]

Round 4

Loving Couples 3 way deathmatch

Cyclops (Lets assume DuanYu didnt cut off his legs) and Jean Grey (Not Phoenix, not Dark Phoenix) vs Yang Guo and XiaoLongNu vs Mr and Mrs Fantastic

[Zhuge Liang]

Yes, Galactus does consume planets, but Goku destroys them! Hell, if Goku really wanted to, he could destroy a whole galaxy with just a single blast (he be dead too if he was in that galaxy since he can't survive in space).

Goku does have trouble with just one villain (ie. Super 17, Cell, Freeza, etc...), but these aren't your everyday average joes. They, too, are more than capable of destroying planets/ solar systems/ galaxies (well not Freeza and those below him).

Then again, Goku grows amazingly more powerful after every villain he fights. He had a lot of trouble with Freeza in the Freeza saga, but towards the start of the Trunks Saga, Goku became capable of making mince meat out of Freeza in seconds (like Trunks did).

Galactus has the power to destroy the whole universe with his weapon.
Goku has destructive power but is constrained by his goal of saving the universe.

Both can teleport. Thus teleporting Galactus like he did Cell, would be pretty useless.

Galactus has psionic powers, Goku has none.

Galactus has immeasurable strength, intelligence & durability. He is pretty much omniscient.

Galactus can best the celestials who view gods as nothing. Goku's existence after death seems to depend on the power of gods.

They do however, both share a weakness - hunger! Goku's is easier to satisfy.

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Round 4

YG & XLN can't win. Their skills cannot overcome Invisible Woman's Shield nor Jean Grey's telekinesis.

More interesting is a battle between the Summer's & the Reed's offspring:

Cable and / or Nate Grey Vs Franklin Reed

[Xiao Feng]

Nvm, null post.

[letalforever]

yea characters wif telekenisis should be able to beat most if not all of the wuxia fighters...

[CC]

How about Guo Jing vs Ryu?

Xiao Feng vs Akuma/Guoki?

[Ren Wo Xing]

Guo Jing vs Ryu, Guo Jing hands down. Guo Jing beats Ryu in every category. The Hadoken fireball can easily be countered with a single Kang Long You Hui; the Shoryuken dragon uppercut is easily matched by the Xiang Long 18 Zhang, and so forth and so forth. Guo Jing's qi should far outmatch Ryu's. Guo Jing vs EVIL Ryu, however, should be a more even battle.

Xiao Feng vs Shin Gouki, now, that's an interesting battle.....Dragon Palms vs the Shun Goku Satsu, orthodox Shaolin internal energy vs the highly evil and destructive Satsui no Hadou. Both fighters are natural talents; Xiao Feng's probably the best natural fighter in Jinyong, and Gouki literally lives for the fight. Xiao Feng has his incredible speed, but Akuma has his Ashura Warp. Xiao Feng has long distance projecting palms, but Akuma has not only the huge fireball, but also arial fireballs.

In the end, though, I'd say Xiao Feng. Gouki is still limited to the movements of Shotokan karate (albeit dark Shotokan), showing that he still isn't transcendental, in moving beyond the limits of specific styles. Also, he didn't impress me as much as a natural talent as Xiao Feng did; he simply sacrificied everything to be great, whereas Xiao Feng was born great.