Nationality Question

[SkineePanda]

The historical Lady Fragrance was an Uyghur, but Jin Yong's Princess Fragrance was of Hui ethnicity.


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Originally Posted by SkineePanda
Yin Kexi - Hui



Persian.

From Noodle's translation:
"The other was high nosed deep eyed with crooked hair and a yellow beard, he was a Hu (from northern and western China) but he wearing Han clothes, he wore pearls around his neck and jade bracelets on his wrists, a rich air surrounded him."

I thought Hui/Hu simply means a Chinese muslim who may or may not have Arab/Central Asian blood as well.

[Laviathan]

I recently read this research paper on that and it seems that who she really was (i.e ethnicity, origin) or whether she really existed are still a mystery. The researcher showed that the materials preserved in libraries about the Ching dynasty under Qian Long's rule conflicted each other in many ways (age, ethnicity, origin, was she loved by Qian Long etc.) about this mysterious woman. IIRC there were at least 5 different versions of Princess Fragrance.

I see. My knowledge is limited on this particular subject, but most sources claim that Lady Xiangfei was an Uyghur, and the Uyghurs themselves see her as their kinswoman nowadays. But maybe she wasn't an uyghur, or maybe she didn't exist at all.

To Laviathan: the name Dugu Qiubai must be a nickname, there can't be such a coincidence.

Uh, there's no coincidence, because Jin Yong named him as such. Like Ren Woxing, which is also a very cool name. Maybe Ren's father was a megalomaniac who wanted to give his son a very cool name? Same thing could apply to Dugu.

I disagree. It really helps to emphasize "Qiubai". A man seeking a loss and feeling lonely because nobody's good enough to make him defend himself once - SUPAMEGAGIGATERAZETA-Cool.

This whole debate is a bit futile, IMO. We only know little bits and pieces about Dugu. Maybe it was his real name, maybe he made it up himself. Who knows? If Jin Yong really said he was from the Northern Wastelands (which people mistook for Siberia, I think) than he hints he was descended from the Huns from Inner-Mongolia. Just my guess...

I thought Hui/Hu simply means a Chinese muslim who may or may not have Arab/Central Asian blood as well.

Two different things:

Hui = Chinese Muslem ethnicity, descended from the Arabs or Central Asians.

Hu = Barbarian (non-Chinese)

Furthermore, in the novel it was stated on several occasions that Yin Kexi was a Persian merchant who lived in China his whole life.

[Ken Cheng]

A question about the Golden Wheel Monk now that he's Mongolian and not Tibetan:

Although he is no longer ethnically Tibetan, did he nevertheless still study Lama Buddhism and martial arts in Tibet? There are and have been Lama Buddhists in Mongolia for a long time, but I'm not sure if there would ever have been a Lama Buddhist temple in Mongolia proper that would have had such martial arts training as the Golden Wheel Monk received.

[SolidSnake]

A question about the Golden Wheel Monk now that he's Mongolian and not Tibetan: ...

Yeah, I would like to know this too since it would be a long time before I can actually read the 3rd version myself.
JinLun was said to be the only lhama to reach certain high level of Dragon Elephant Prana (or whatever the name is). He surpassed all his predecessor (and since JY didn't specifically mention otherwise, I take it that that include Jiumozhi).
If JinLun is not a lhama, who is he now in 3rd version?

[Han Solo]

JiuMoZhi and JinLunFaWang are not from the same school.

[Dennis Chen]

A Han freedom fighter.
A Han slave of the Jin Empire.
A Han son of Song Dynasty Elite.
A Turk.
A Dali Emperor.

All spectrums.

[andrea7974]

I see. My knowledge is limited on this particular subject, but most sources claim that Lady Xiangfei was an Uyghur, and the Uyghurs themselves see her as their kinswoman nowadays. But maybe she wasn't an uyghur, or maybe she didn't exist at all.

Princess Fragrance did really exist. She's one of QL's consort. And she was an Uyghur.

[a_tumiwa]

In the 3rd edition of LOCH, Jin Yong verified that the Duan family of Dali were descended from the Xianbei tribe (just like the Murongs). Duan Yu is therefore a mix of Xianbei and Bai.

i tried to pm u but fail, i want to ask what chapter you got that information from?
i checked some chapters and cannot find it

[wkeej]

Here is the many multi-cultural characters of Jinyong:

Princess Fragrance - Uyghur(?)
Blue Pheonix - Miao
Ni Mo Xing - Indian
Yin Kexi - Hui
Jinlun Fawang - Tibetan
Wanyan HongLie - Jurchen
Xiao Feng - Khitan
Zhao Min - Mongol
Murong Fu - Xianbei
Duan Yu - Bai
KangXi - Manchu
Princess Sophia - Russian
Purple Cloth Dragon King - Persian mix
Xiao Longnu - albino

A few names do not ring a bell in me. Who is:
1. Blue Pheonix
2. Ni Mo Xing
3. Yin Kexi and
4. Princess Sophia?

[a_tumiwa]

A few names do not ring a bell in me. Who is:
1. Blue Pheonix
2. Ni Mo Xing
3. Yin Kexi and
4. Princess Sophia?

1. the girl from 5 poison sect , a sworn siblings of linghu chong
2. one of the 4 merceneries hired by mongol
3. one of wanyan honglie attendant, that hid shaolin 9 yang manual inside gorilla's belly
4. she is from "the deer and the cauldron" novel, later wei xiaobao help her and befriend with her

[Western Eccentric]

1. the girl from 5 poison sect , a sworn siblings of linghu chong
2. one of the 4 merceneries hired by mongol
3. one of wanyan honglie attendant, that hid shaolin 9 yang manual inside gorilla's belly
4. she is from "the deer and the cauldron" novel, later wei xiaobao help her and befriend with her

Yin Kexi alongside Nimoxing Xiaoxiang Zi and Ma Guangzuo are Kubhilai henchmen..

[wkeej]

1. the girl from 5 poison sect , a sworn siblings of linghu chong
2. one of the 4 merceneries hired by mongol
3. one of wanyan honglie attendant, that hid shaolin 9 yang manual inside gorilla's belly
4. she is from "the deer and the cauldron" novel, later wei xiaobao help her and befriend with her

Thanks, a_t
1. Lan Fenghuang - blurred me.
2. still did not ring a bell. Zhao Min's subordinate?
3. And found by zwj.
4. Can't remember at all. Only watched the series once.

[a_tumiwa]

Thanks, a_t
1. Lan Fenghuang - blurred me.
2. still did not ring a bell. Zhao Min's subordinate?
3. And found by zwj.
4. Can't remember at all. Only watched the series once.

nope...
this indian guy is from roch

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i think he is the strongest one from those 4

[wkeej]

nope...
this indian guy is from roch

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i think he is the strongest one from those 4

Thanks a_t again. Do not like roch.

[Western Eccentric]

nope...
this indian guy is from roch

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i think he is the strongest one from those 4

Xiaoxiang Zi was the "strongest" among Kubhilai henchmen IMHO..

[a_tumiwa]

Xiaoxiang Zi was the "strongest" among Kubhilai henchmen IMHO..

please kindly reply to this thread
http://www.spcnet.tv/forums/showthre...with-him/page3

[Trien Chieu]

Were both Ouyang Feng and DuGu Qiu Bai of Turkish descent?

They both are Han Chinese.
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