Were both Ouyang Feng and DuGu Qiu Bai of Turkish descent?
Were both Ouyang Feng and DuGu Qiu Bai of Turkish descent?
West Poison Au Yeung Fung made his home in Turkestan, but it's never been said that he was an ethnic Turk (doubtful, considering his "Au Yeung" surname). Dook Goo Kau Bai has been rumored to have been a Siberian.Originally Posted by Dennis Chen
It was stated in the novel that he is a citizen of the Western Regions, and that he was taller than the Han Chinese. So it was more or less implied that he had foreign blood. Maybe his ancestor was a Han Chinese who married a "barbarian", or his family was originally Turk and later adopted a Chinese surname. The fact that Ouyang Feng succesfully pretended to be a barbarian soldier of Genghis Khan and Guo Jing's legions, proves that he looked rather non-Chinese and at least was partially Turk.Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
I wonder where this rumour came from?Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
The Dugu Tribe was one faction of the Xiongnu (Huns) residing in present-day Inner-Mongolia and Shanxi province. In the Northern Wei Dynasty (北魏 386-534) the Dugu Clan intermarried with the Xianbei royal family and became residents of Henan Province. The first emperor of the Sui Dynasty, Yang Jian, was married to Empress Dugu who gave birth to the infamous tyrant Emperor Yang Guang (he built the Grand Canal).
Dugu Qiubai, therefore, is of Hun origin, with blood ties to the Xianbei and Han-Chinese ethnicities.
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What about Tse Tseun was he really a "gwai lo" since he had golden hair?
Did the book ever say what Hong Qigong and Hwang Yaoshi were?
Hans, their family names pretty much tells it.
Their ethnicity was Han Chinese.Originally Posted by Dennis Chen
But their NATIONALITIES were different. Hong Qigong was a Jin Empire citizen, a slave whose family worked for the Jin rulers. Huang Yaoshi on the other hand was the grandson of a Southern Song official and belonged to the elite.
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I vaguely remember Jin Yong mentioning in an interview when questioned about Dugu Qiubai, that he was from Siberia ... not too sure where or when though ... =(Originally Posted by Laviathan
Here is the many multi-cultural characters of Jinyong:
Princess Fragrance - Uyghur(?)
Blue Pheonix - Miao
Ni Mo Xing - Indian
Yin Kexi - Hui
Jinlun Fawang - Tibetan
Wanyan HongLie - Jurchen
Xiao Feng - Khitan
Zhao Min - Mongol
Murong Fu - Xianbei
Duan Yu - Bai
KangXi - Manchu
Princess Sophia - Russian
Purple Cloth Dragon King - Persian mix
Xiao Longnu - albino
I thought he was a Persian.Originally Posted by SkineePanda
Chiu Mun's entire family was Uighur as well.
Xiao Longnu was an albino?
XLN is also a han.
and she's no albino. Her hair and eyes were described as dark, i think.
Han solo is obviously a han.
I never seen an asian that is albino
The historical Lady Fragrance was an Uyghur, but Jin Yong's Princess Fragrance was of Hui ethnicity.Originally Posted by SkineePanda
Persian.Originally Posted by SkineePanda
In the 3rd edition, Jin Yong changed him into a Mongolian.Originally Posted by SkineePanda
In the 3rd edition of LOCH, Jin Yong verified that the Duan family of Dali were descended from the Xianbei tribe (just like the Murongs). Duan Yu is therefore a mix of Xianbei and Bai.Originally Posted by SkineePanda
Strictly speaking, Kangxi is 50% Han, 25% Mongol and only 25% Manchu.Originally Posted by SkineePanda
I beg to differ:Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
The historical Chakan Timur was Uyghur, that's correct. But Wang Baobao (Brother of Zhao Min) was Chakan's adopted son, and whose biological father was in fact a Han-Chinese. So the family was surely not entirely Uyghur.
In the Jin Yong Universe, Zhao Min and her family were Mongols.
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Dugu Qiubai might just be a nickname he gave himself to indicate how lonely he is being no.1 fighter with no good opponent to fight with. He might not be related to the Dugu family at all.Originally Posted by Laviathan
First name: OK, might be his own idea...Originally Posted by kidd
But his last name? I mean, it would be pretty pathetic to call yourself Dugu just because you want to emphasize you being lonely, right?
Anyhoo, Jin Yong just named him Dugu Qiubai because it sounds cool. But Dennis Chen asked about ethnicity, so I tried to give a logical explanation. I'm sure he's not a Siberian...
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Originally Posted by Laviathan
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Probably there are differences in the three editions of HSDS about Zhao Min's ethnicity. I remember someone here giving a citation from the 2nd (?) edition about Zhao Min being of an Uighur aristocrat family who worked at the Mongolian court.
I recently read this research paper on that and it seems that who she really was (i.e ethnicity, origin) or whether she really existed are still a mystery. The researcher showed that the materials preserved in libraries about the Ching dynasty under Qian Long's rule conflicted each other in many ways (age, ethnicity, origin, was she loved by Qian Long etc.) about this mysterious woman. IIRC there were at least 5 different versions of Princess Fragrance.Originally Posted by Laviathan
That was probably me. Chagan Tuimur and Wang Baobao were two famous historical characters but Zhao Min was purely fictional. Chagan had a daughter but of course she was nothing like Zhao Min.I remember someone here giving a citation from the 2nd (?) edition about Zhao Min being of an Uighur aristocrat family who worked at the Mongolian court.
To Laviathan: the name Dugu Qiubai must be a nickname, there can't be such a coincidence.
I disagree. It really helps to emphasize "Qiubai". A man seeking a loss and feeling lonely because nobody's good enough to make him defend himself once - SUPAMEGAGIGATERAZETA-Cool.But his last name? I mean, it would be pretty pathetic to call yourself Dugu just because you want to emphasize you being lonely, right?
"Anything you can't say NO to is your MASTER, and you are its SLAVE."
"I disapprove of what I say, but I will defend to the death my right to say it."
Originally Posted by Laviathan
i agree.
the Dugu surname really does exists in the real world. it can't be a coincidence that jin yong decided to use this to name his character.