How faithful is the movie to the novels? Did zhang ziyi's character really die? Did Li Mu Bai die?
How faithful is the movie to the novels? Did zhang ziyi's character really die? Did Li Mu Bai die?
Formerly DuGu Qiu Bai
Zhang Ziyi and her lover both died in the sequel to Crouching Tiger, but it was not how it was depicted in the movie.Originally Posted by DuGu Qiu Bai
對 敵 須 狠 ， 斬 草 除 根 ， 男 女 老 幼 ， 不 留 一 人
When I saw the movie in the theater I never thought she died............its a matter of interpretation isn't it!?
Journey To The West
The Great Sun Wukong, the Monkey King!!!
Where did you think she jumped off to?Originally Posted by PotentBlend
no matter how good you are, you cannot survive a fall that high.
Formerly DuGu Qiu Bai
Hey Zhang Wuji just did. He landed in the snow and survived after falling for about couple thousand feet. Of course he had 9Yang to help him.Originally Posted by DuGu Qiu Bai
dun think 9yang or 9ying existed in this story
Originally Posted by Tazzy1972
To survive or not to survive from a fall that solely depends on the author/film maker to decide
There's a sequel? Whats the title?Originally Posted by Laviathan
Crippled Tiger, Slithering Dragon.
TristeCoeur on Lady Yang: Someone needs 2 tell her that when u want 2 save people from being killed, u need to hurry the hell up, not play bull#### music & dance around. Her mission failed big time
Originally Posted by Adryn Novan
Look for example at Southern Crane's site (at the beginning of this thread) about WDL's Pentalogy. I 've always wondered how people read a thread without reading the beginning (what it is all about).
R u talking about the link to the site about Wang Dulu & Crane-Iron. I've been to that page, its empty.
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is fourth part of a pentalogy (5 novels) written by Wang Du Lu. The Pentalogy is called the Iron Crane PentalogyOriginally Posted by Adryn Novan
The novels are as follows :
1st Novel : Crane Frightens KunLun
2nd Novel : Precious Sword, Golden Hairpin
3rd Novel : Sword Force, Pearl Shine
4th Novel : Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
5th Novel : Iron Knight, Silver Vase
Currently, rumors has it that Ang Lee will be filming the 2nd part of this pentalogy called Precious Sword, Golden Hairpin. One of the starts already picked to played as Shu Lien is Zhou Xun (the actress who played as Huang Rong in Mainland CCTV Legend of Condor Heroes 2003).
Originally Posted by Temujin
The FILM (CTHD) is IIRC a blend of the 2nd & the 4th novel.
The FILM SEQUEL of CTHD should IIRC be a blend between the 3rd & 5th novel.
Originally Posted by Adryn Novan
Yeah, Southern Crane has broken the link. But it is easy to find with Google
You should practice more finding things bro
Originally Posted by Du Gu seeking a win
I must correct some things what I said:
Crouching Tiger Prequel in the Works
By Jack, (DT)
February 5, 2002 10:29 AM PT
According to multiple reports, Hsu Li-Kong, producer of the original, just confirmed that shooting of the prequel of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon will start in May next year and Ang Lee will return as the director. Hsu, a long-time friend and working partner of Ang Lee, is currently in Los Angeles and has met Lee. They have agreed that the script should be penned by Wang Hui-ling from the writing team of the original, to inject the sprit of the original into the prequel. Hsu said this one will "reflect the classic Chinese arts, traditional wuxia spirit and the sole of Chinese martial arts." Unfortunately, the script has yet to be finalized but time is not a big concern. They got over a year to finish it.
The prequel will probably be based on part II (Precious Sword, Gold Hairpin) and part III (Sword Force, Pearl Shine) of the Iron-Crane Pentalogy. The title will like be Precious Sword, Gold Hairpin. In these two parts, young Li Mu Bai met and fell in love with Yu Shu Lien, who had already been engaged to Li's sworn brother Meng Si Zhao. Yes, there is a love triangle and it ended up as a tragedy, just like the original. Li Mu Bai's master Southern Crane, who has briefly mentioned in the original, played an important role in their relationships. It is still too early to tell whether Chow Yun-fat and Michelle Yeoh will return but one thing for sure - Zhang Ziyi will not be in. Ang Lee, however, is currently preparing the big budget comic book based HULK, which will be released in the summer of 2003.
According to another report, Ang Lee said Chow Yun-fat is not the only candidate for playing Li Mu Bai. Jet Li, who has turned down the role for the original, is also being considered.
YAY! I look forward to this onebut one thing for sure - Zhang Ziyi will not be in.
Edit: Hang on, that news is 3 years old!
Last edited by Candide; 02-16-05 at 03:17 PM.
"Anything you can't say NO to is your MASTER, and you are its SLAVE."
"I disapprove of what I say, but I will defend to the death my right to say it."
Precious Sword (Li), Jade Hairpin (Yui*s hairpin, as seen in CTHD)
By J P
Li Mu Bai is taken to Wudan by Jiang Nan He (Southern Crane), and asks Ji Guang Jie to teach him because he is too overcome by grief and guilt over the deaths of his brother in arms, Li Feng Jie (Li Mu Bai*s father) and his love (Bao A Luan). He has just delivered the body of his beloved to her home town, and now since he does not feel worthy enough to be a guardian or a Master to Li Mu Bai, he hands him over to Ji. Ji is angry with Jiang, but takes Mu Bai anyway. Li Mu Bai is reluctant to leave Jiang, but follows his orders, and Jiang disappears into seclusion.
Yui Hsui Lien, about 20, is practicing her martial arts. Her strength and power and unusual energy are apparent. In working out some obvious frustration she breaks a sword she had been sent to buy for her father. Angry with herself for being so out of control, she has to sell her jade hairpin (as seen in CTHD) to buy another sword. She promises to pay twice the value to buy it back in two days if the vendor will hold it for her.
When she returns to Sun Security headquarters, her father berates her for her tardines, but it is because he knows where she has been and what she has been doing, practicing her martial arts, which he has forbidden. He tells her to help Mrs. Wu, her father*s aunt and mother to Hsui Lien since her own mother*s early death, who has been planning her wedding with no input from Hsui Lien. Hsui Lien feels guilty for Mrs. Wu*s efforts because she has no intention of going through with the arranged marriage, and tells her father she will help Mrs. Wu because she knows that her father only wants her to marry so she will stay out of harms way, the Giang Hu world.
Li Mu Bai, about 20, is in a blind folded match. He wins easily, and the loser is obviously a long time rival, Mi Jie Lu. After the match the errant disciples are ordered to meditate by Ji, and Mu Bai goes to the rooftops. Meng Si Zhao finds him and tells him that Mi is already making threats on Mu Bai*s life. Mu Bai is not surprised or terribly worried. Meng asks Mu Bai to leave Wudan with him, because he is going to get married. Mu Bai makes fun of the arranged marriage and says he does not want to watch is brother go through with it. Meng warns him that someday he will think better of women and marriage. They say their farewells.
Hsui Lien steals away in the night. At an inn, where it is obvious she has been before because the owner recognizes her and tries to convince her to go home, she loudly protests her father*s wish to see her married, and she challenges anyone who will fight her for her hand. For a small fee. She makes enough money to buy back her hairpin, and room and board for a little while.
She does not know that there is a highly amused spectator to the matches. Li Mu Bai did not volunteer but is very intrigued by her fighting style, and spirit, not to mention beauty. Before the third challenger enters the ring, he notices that the challenger has a hidden dagger, he intends not only to fight, but to kill Hsui Lien. Mu Bai considers intervening, but decides to wait until she really needs his help. She is soon in trouble, and Mu Bai stops the fight. Hsui Lien is angered by his presumption, and fights Mu Bai instead.
The battle is epic, but words exchanged between blows soon turns the battle into a battle of words and philosophy as well. In the end Mu Bai wins only because Hsui Lien is laughing. They part after the match, but Hsui Lien is very diverted by the cocky warrior. The crowd demands to know his name, and he tells them. A mistake.
Meng arrives at Sun Security only to be informed his bride has disappeared. Hsui Lien*s father begs Meng to go and find her. This is what her father feared the most, losing her completely to the Giang Hu world. Meng agrees to find her. Mrs. Wu stops him at the door and tells him she noticed Hsui Lien was missing her jade hairpin, and if she sold it, there may be a merchant who knows where she was headed. It does not take Meng long to find the merchant, and after parting with some money finds out that Hsui Lien will return to retrieve the hairpin in a few days. He waits.
Meanwhile, because Mu Bai announced his name the previous day, Mi has found him, and challenges him. Hsui Lien, on her way out the door to retrieve the hairpin, sees the exchange, and feels she must intervene because Mu Bai saved her life the previous day, and also she does not want to see him killed. She tells Mi that she represents a previous challenge to Mu Bai by her master, and uses her feminine wiles to convince Mi to wait one more day to kill Mu Bai. Amused, Mi relents.
Mu Bai, completely amused, because the intervention was not necessary, uses the excuse to follow Hsui Lien. He does not want to let her out of his sight. She resists a tag-a-long at first, but then realizes that she cannot go after the hairpin herself, because she will be recognized and caught by her father*s men. She enlists Mu Bai to the task and they head back to her home together.
As they near the outskirts, Mu Bai is just leaving to get the hairpin, when they hear trouble ahead. Hsui Lien is two gallops ahead of Mu Bai. Some thugs are chasing a woman. Hsui Lien subdues the leader, and Mu Bai his two companions, and Mu Bai gets to see her fighting style again. They enjoy fighting side by side. They learn that the thugs are trying to kill the woman, they have already killed her husband and father, so their master can take her land. They render the leader and one of the thugs unconscious and send the other off to tell the tyrant, Huang Ji Bei, to stop persecuting innocents.
Mu Bai drops the two thugs at a police station and gives a statement about the incident to corroborate the woman*s story, then finds the hairpin. He lingers for a moment around some swords, but does not think much more about it.
When he is leaving with the hairpin, he is intercepted by a Wudan warrior who asks what Mu Bai wants with the hairpin. Mu Bai is surprised that Hsui Lien*s father has such ready access to a Wudan warrior, and tells the warrior that he is retrieving it for a friend. He does not recognize Meng until he reveals himself. Mu Bai asks why Meng is not preparing for the wedding, but he puts the pieces together as Meng tells him that his bride is missing. It is not until that moment that Mu Bai realizes how much he has fallen in love with Hsui Lien. Meng sees Mu Bai*s emotions clearly, but asks Mu Bai to bring Hsui Lien to him anyway. Mu Bai agrees and hands over the hairpin.
Mu Bai tells Hsui Lien what has happened, and leaves before her shock wears off enough for her to respond. She watches him go, and then returns to Meng.
Meng talks with her. Meng agrees that she should be allowed to practice her martial arts, but within the privacy of their home. They have a friendly match, and she grows to admire him, if not love him. Their battles of words are not nearly as stimulating. Still, Hsui Lien agrees that it is best that they go through with the marriage. She feels guilty because she has made her father ill with worry that she might be killed in the Giang Hu world.
Meanwhile, Mu Bai is nursing a broken heart. He wanders aimlessly, then decides he must face Mi, and then return to Wudan, hoping to pursue swordplay, remembering his earlier attraction to swords. Then one night, while at an inn musing on his future, he runs into more of Huang*s men. He stops their attack on the inn keeper, and finds the man he let go in the previous encounter among them. He sends him back again as another warning, but finds out soon after that there is a price on his head. Huang Ji Bei wants him dead.
Hsui Lien cannot keep her promise to Meng, and steals away periodically, her protection is for women. If she hears about anyone*s husband being murdered, she is on the case the next night to interview the women and offer protection. She is masked, however, and no one, not even the women she protects, know who she is. She also, soon has a price on her head.
Sir Te, a former officer in the Emperor*s army, and now head of the police department in the district, is hearing all of these strange tales. But since Li Mu Bai is the only name he can find attached to them, he has his officers approach Mu Bai. Mu Bai comes in for a discussion.
Sir Te offers to hire him outside of the department to help him bring in the lieutenants of Huang*s gang, so that they can eventually bring in Huang himself, and stop the violence. Li Mu Bai is intrigued. He accepts, anxious to finally have active employment to help him forget Hsui Lien.
Then, Sir Te asks if Mu Bai is also the night warrior who has been protecting the women who are victims of Huang*s tyranny. Mu Bai flinches, because he realizes who that warrior is, but he denies any knowledge to Sir Te. Sir Te knows that Mu Bai is lying, but protecting someone, so he drops it.
Sir Te keeps Mu Bai to dinner an the two men make a steadfast friendship.
The next morning as Mu Bai goes to Sir Te to take his leave, he finds Sir Te just ending a meeting, with Hsui Lien and her father. Hsui Lien*s father takes no special notice of Mu Bai, but Hsui Lien locks a gaze with Mu Bai, just long enough to take the wind out of Mu Bai, and for Sir Te to notice.
Sir Te advises Mu Bai to forget her, but he sympathizes with Mu Bai*s position. Mu Bai leaves immediately in order to get started on forgetting Hsui Lien. However, Hsui Lien has waited for him outside. She is less in control of her emotions than Mu Bai is, but when she sees his resolve, she fortifies herself, and says her farewell. Then ashamed for his coldness, he calls after her, and tells her he will always be her protector. She tells him that is not necessary, but she knows that he is professing his love.
Then, after Hsui Lien leaves, Meng appears. He has witnessed the familiarity of Mu Bai and Hsui Lien and assumes that Mu Bai has seduced Hsui Lien, thus accounting for her disappearances at night. He challenges Mu Bai in his rage, and Mu Bai tries to stop him but cannot. He resigns to let Meng kill him rather than fight his brother.
Mu Bai arrives at the duel, and drops to his knees. He will not fight. Hsui Lien arrives to see Meng trying to force Mu Bai to fight, he cannot bring himself to simply kill Mu Bai. Then someone arrives who will. Mi attacks Mu Bai who is still on his knees. Mu Bai barely ducks the killing blow, but is slashed across his back. The sword cuts him so cleanly that he does not feel the pain at first, only the wetness of blood down his back.
The feud between Mi and Mu Bai is older than Meng*s quarrel with Mu Bai, so he cannot stand by as his brother is unfairly attacked, and weaponless. Meng grabs a bystander*s sword and comes to Mu Bai*s aid. Mi*s sword is too powerful. Mu Bai tries to defend himself with any object he can find, but the sword annihilates everything, including Meng*s sword, and he is killed.
Finally, with the broken sword, Mu Bai manages to maim Mi, who then runs off because Sir Te*s men are approaching the fight to break it up. Mu Bai tries to run after Mi, but he is in too much pain from his wound.
Hsui Lien retrieves Meng*s body, and Mu Bai insists he must accompany her to deliver Meng to his family. Hsui Lien agrees.
Mu Bai and Hsui Lien deliver Meng*s body, and then Mu Bai collapses from grief and loss of blood. Hsui Lien takes him back to Sun Security, and Mrs. Wu attends to him.
When he has recovered Hsui Lien*s father visits him. The man is uncomfortable, Mu Bai knows he probably has guessed that Hsui Lien is in love with Mu Bai. Hsui Lien*s father is not hiding his disapproval of the Giang Hu warrior very well. What is unspoken but completely understood is that in order to continue to protect Hsui Lien*s honor, Mu Bai can never pursue any relationship, even just a friendship, with her, or else it would be to admit that they had a relationship before being accused of infidelity. He also knows that he is being asked to leave as soon as he is able. Which he does, even though he has not seen Hsui Lien since the duel. But before he leaves, he steals Hsui Lien*s hairpin.
Hsui Lien discovers that her hairpin and Mu Bai are gone, and what her father has done, and leaves Sun Security after they argue, to pursue her Giang Hu life for good.
Mu Bai frustrated and losing control, decides it is time to bring Huang in for justice.
Mu Bai finds Huang. What he does not know is that Hsui Lien is there to retrieve a woman who she has defended before, but who was taken by the gang. She sees Mu Bai*s rage in action and is worried. She sees that Mu Bai is going to kill Huang instead of arresting him, but is torn between escaping with the woman she came to rescue, and stopping Mu Bai. She chooses to escape. Mu Bai kills Huang due to his anger over Huang*s treatment of innocents, and due to his loss of control from frustration over his denied love for Yui. He is immediately remorseful for what he has done. He is arrested, and put in jail.
Hsui Lien easily convinces Sir Te to defend Mu Bai at his trial, but Mu Bai is sentenced to death. Mu Bai resigns himself to his fate, almost glad to escape the pain of his denied love. Hsui Lien is consumed with guilt for not stopping Mu Bai. She keeps a vigil outside the prison, working on a plan to break Mu Bai out, but then Jiang Nan He suddenly appears. He breaks Mu Bai out of prison, with Sir Te*s blessing, and spirits him away to Wudan. Hsui Lien is happy that Mu Bai is out of danger and goes on with her life.
He, now Southern Crane, begins the process of rebuilding Mu Bai. Mu Bai is distraught and angry, Crane shows him the love he once could not show, and advises him to forget Hsui Lien, and to honor the memory of Meng. Mu Bai is angry because Crane will not teach him swordplay, because he knows that Mu Bai does not have the peace within his soul required to learn an art like swordplay. Mu Bai must first find peace.
Mu Bai, now looking for reasons to be angry, also fixes on his anger at Crane for deserting him as a child, and uses that as an excuse to doubt Crane*s teachings and rebel. He calls Crane his Master, but begins to pursue his own course. He hears about a legendary sword called the Green Destiny, and becomes obsessed. He leaves Wudan again find it.
One day, while minding her own business, Hsui Lien stumbles upon Mi. He is still talking about killing Mu Bai. Hsui Lien has not worried about Mu Bai since Crane took him to Wudan, but now finds her protective instincts on fire again. Then she sees Mi in action with his sword. It is going to take all her skill to get rid of this final threat to Mu Bai. She begins to plan his downfall.
Mu Bai searches for months, and disintegrates into a man obsessed. When he finds the sword, he finds that the man in possession of it is Mi. The Green Destiny was the sword which sliced his back. Mu Bai watches Mi use the sword, and sees just how powerful it is. He is worried, but he cannot give up the sword.
While Mu Bai is observing Mi, Hsui Lien first sees him. She does not recognize him, he is so altered, but she notices him and that he is also intent on killing Mi. She decides to find out who he is before possibly enlisting his help. While going through his things, she finds her hairpin.
She is overcome with emotion, but then Mu Bai is returning, and she runs off, leaving the hairpin behind.
Mu Bai challenges Mi under an assumed name so Mi will not take the fight seriously, then fights him. The sword is too powerful for Mu Bai, and Mi slowly nicks Mu Bai again and again, eventually to bleed him to death. Hsui Lien intervenes before the death blow, and stabs him in the back. Mu Bai is horribly wounded but does not surrender to unconsciousness before he takes the Green Destiny from Mi.
Hsui Lien heals Mu Bai. In his fever Mu Bai still does not recognize her. His anger is so overwhelming, she considers leaving him to die. But her guilt over his present situation keeps her by his side. When he recovers from his fever, he finds that Hsui Lien has hidden the Green Destiny, and in his rage to find it he finds among his things the hairpin, and a light goes on in his darkness. He turns to her and puts the hairpin back in her hair as he remembers she used to wear it, and dissolves into sobs. Mu Bai thanks her, but she dismisses his thanks stating she is doing it only because she is ashamed of how her father treated him. He leaves while she is sleeping, and disappears with the Green Destiny. Hsui Lien decides to return home.
Hsui Lien returns home to find her father is dead. She decides to stay and rebuild her father*s security business, and Sir Te aids her in finding a new staff. Over the years she hears about a strange Wuxia warrior who has appeared with the Green Destiny in distant provinces. He always behaves justly, defending the weak, and poor, and especially women. A legend begins to grow around the name Li Mu Bai.
After years of wandering in the Wuxia life, Mu Bai returns to Wudan to face Crane. Through the years, with the knowledge that love saved him instead of cursing him, he has worked out a lot of his frustration, and returns to Crane when he reaches a place of enough peace to realize how he has wronged his Master.
Instead of disciplining Mu Bai, Crane offers to continue his training, now including Mu Bai*s interest in swordplay. They begin a new relationship, and Mu Bai recovers his love for Crane. Crane becomes his true Master. Mu Bai also meets a new woman, Jade Fox, who has recently intrigued Crane because she is beautiful, and interested in Wudan*s martial arts. Mu Bai is troubled by her, but does not interfere in his Master*s life.
While in training, Mu Bai receives word from Sir Te that Hsui Lien is in trouble. Her business is being targeted by bandits, and on the last trip, Hsui Lien was taken. Mu Bai leaves Wudan again to find Hsui Lien.
Mu Bai searches for weeks for Hsui Lien. He begins to worry he may be too late. Then Sir Te informs him that he has discovered that the bandits are the remains of Huang*s gang. Mu Bai now knows where to look and finds that she has been mistreated because of repeated escape attempts, and in a rage kills all of the bandits with the Green Destiny.
Hsui Lien is ill from exposure, and Mu Bai takes her back to her headquarters, and helps Mrs. Wu to nurse her. Hsui Lien is near death so Mu Bai prays to Meng. He promises Meng that if Hsui Lien is spared he will never dishonor Meng*s memory. Hsui Lien lives, and Mu Bai leaves before she can stop him.
Mu Bai returns to Wudan to find that Crane has been murdered by Jade Fox. He is broken. He has promised never to pursue his love for Hsui Lien, and his master is now dead. Jade Fox becomes his new obsession.
Hsui Lien arrives before Mu Bai can leave to find Fox. She tells him that she knows the promise he made, because Mrs.Wu overheard him praying. She tells him that she will always do whatever she can to help him bring Jade Fox to justice. Mu Bai thanks her, promising also to continue to watch over her, as he had vowed years before, finally says a proper farewell to her, and then disappears into the mist.
Originally Posted by Candide
Sorry, I see now that the future of the prequel is uncertain. Ang Lee is waiting to see more creativity in the script.
Film rights to the pentalogy and notes on the prequel:
Ang Lee and co-producer Hsu Li-Kong originally bought the film rights to the novels for five years - which was about to expire in 2003.
In October 2002, Hsu Li-Kong visited Wang Du Lu's widow, Ms. Li Dan Quan, and daughter Wang Qin in Beijing and extended the film adaptation rights. Wang Du Lu's family members are very supportive of the possible prequel, which has been under development. The first version of the script was written by Taiwanese scriptwriter Hsia Mei-Hua. Last year the producers hired Wang Hui-Ling, one of the main scriptwriters of the original CTHD film, to re-write the script. At this point there is no production date fixed and it's still too early to tell if any of the original cast will return. Ang Lee won't have time to work on the prequel until after his "The Hulk" releases (in June).
According to Taiwanese news, Ang Lee won't have time to discuss the prequel until August. Reports from the past two years said the prequel would focus on the characters Li Mu Bai and Yu Shu Lien from the book II and III. But recent reports indicated that the story of the possible prequel might not have been fixed.
Taiwanese news reported that the script of the prequel is expected to be finished next month. The scriptwriter Wang Hui-Ling is planning to meet with Ang Lee in U.S. in the middle of September to finalize the script.
"The Hollywood Reporter" says Ang Lee will make an adaptation of E. Annie Proulx's story "Brokeback Mountain," a love story between two cowboys.
Returning to Taiwan for the Golden Horse Awards, Ang Lee confirmed that his next film would be "Brokeback Mountain", an art film on a story of gay cowboys. The CTHD prequel is still at the stage of script-writing.
"UDN" (Taiwan) reports that the script of the CTHD prequel is expected to be handed in by the scriptwriter Wang Hui-Ling tomorrow. Ang Lee will start shooting "Brokeback Mountain" in June and the production of CTHD prequel can be expected in summer 2005. Besides the younger Li Mu Bai and Yu Shu Lien, the prequel will have many new roles. Regarding the recent rumors on the possible cast, producer Hsu Li-Kong said casting has not been started - they haven't even seen the final version of the script yet.
When Ang Lee was in Taiwan last week for the 2004 Golden Horse Awards, he was asked about his future film plan as well as the possible CTHD prequel. His "Brokeback Mountain" is now under post-production and it is expected to be finished next March.
Ang Lee said at this moment he does not have a plan after "Mountain". He does not like to repeat the same idea. He said he would not make CTHD prequel until he sees creativity.
Last edited by Du Gu seeking a win; 02-17-05 at 08:34 AM.