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    I just want to clarify this..someone sudddeny l told me that Hong Kong singers (e.g Joey, Twins Miriam..etc etc) actually have to sleep with their managers so they become famous....is it true?

    They call it being supported by rich people, or otherwise, they wouldn't be about to get promoted etc...it totally changed my view on idols....

    I think that's..disgusting..

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    I won't be surprised if it's true. It's traditionally been the case. But I'm also not going to believe tabloids. It's much fairer now than it was many years ago, and I know for a fact talented singers do not have to sleep with their managers or whoever's in power. Not that the Twins and Miriam are talented to me. While there is financial gain involved, I also don't think they are "prostitutes", assuming that they do sleep around to climb up the social ladder. They don't sleep with just anyone willing to pay for their services. There is a difference. Premarital sex is common nowadays. Women as such merely choose to sleep with those who can help them. Not alot of people can afford their "services" to be honest. It's a very narrow-minded way of looking at it. While I do not think such practices are right, it's very derogatory to women if they in fact have a say in who they sleep with. It's none of anyone's business.

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    It is true that most female HK singers have to go out on "dinner dates" with wealthy businessmen, and in return their singing careers are sponsored. i.e. the girls accompany these businessmen at dinners and parties to earn money for buying outfits etc.

    Heck, even male artists function as dinner date escorts from time to time. Aaron Kwok, for example, most certainly did in the past.

    The only artist of whom we know for certain that she never needed to go on dinner dates is Kelly Chan. Kelly is from a rather wealthy family, and she was sponsored by her father.

    Anyway, for as far as we know, dinner dates are for time and companionship only. Anything sexual that may occur is a matter of personal choice between two or more consenting adults of legal age, and cannot be considered as prostitution.
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    hm..so, is the publically annouced? newspapers or gossip magazines for example? isn't it, kinda embarrassing?

    Is that another reason why most singers look good too?


    I heard..all the Miss Hong Kongs do it too o.o Do actress/actors do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laviathan
    Anyway, for as far as we know, dinner dates are for time and companionship only. Anything sexual that may occur is a matter of personal choice between two or more consenting adults of legal age, and cannot be considered as prostitution.
    You sound very politically correct

    I'm surprised that some people are surprised about this. This is new? It's been the way in the entertainment industry from the beginning. To climb up, you need to kiss some arses, and sometimes you'll have to do a bit more than just kissing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sword Goddess
    hm..so, is the publically annouced? newspapers or gossip magazines for example? isn't it, kinda embarrassing?
    No, not really. It's kind of a public secret. There are of course reports from time to time about this and that female artist going on a date with businessman so and so... No big deal. Why would it be embarassing? Strictly speaking, it's just socializing afterall. Whatever happens AFTER the dinner date in their bedrooms or hotel suits will remain a secret forever. And frankly, it's none of our business.

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    Is that another reason why most singers look good too?
    Pardon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sword Goddess
    I heard..all the Miss Hong Kongs do it too o.o Do actress/actors do it? ?
    Yes and yes.

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    You sound very politically correct
    Uhuh, that's how I sound. What I truly think is a different matter though.

    To call these idols prostitutes is very insulting... to the prostitutes. I mean, at least hookers are honest and frank about their work. They offer their sexual services in return for money. They are, IMO, decent people who do decent work.

    The so-called "artists" create images for themselves of being a role model and everything, while at the same time selling their bodies and souls to get more money and fame. These "idols" are anything but decent, they're scum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laviathan
    To call these idols prostitutes is very insulting... to the prostitutes. I mean, at least hookers are honest and frank about their work. They offer their sexual services in return for money. They are, IMO, decent people who do decent work.

    The so-called "artists" create images for themselves of being a role model and everything, while at the same time selling their bodies and souls to get more money and fame. These "idols" are anything but decent, they're scum.
    i haven't applauded silently this hard in quite a while and i can't agree more with you. maybe i just have this thing against people who think fame is actually meaningful and who can consistently project a false image to sell to the public and still live with themselves.

    the people in the oldest profession deserve more respect than them. those people degrading prostitutes should not be too quick to judge.
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    I disagree, Lav. If the general public is stupid enough to buy their bullsith, they deserve it But yeah I agree in a way... Skanky lying biatches pretending they're innocent angels give me the sith.

    Prostitution is legal where I live (Australia) and where Laviathan lives (Netherland) so I believe we just think of prostitutes as workers of some type, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laviathan
    To call these idols prostitutes is very insulting... to the prostitutes. I mean, at least hookers are honest and frank about their work. They offer their sexual services in return for money. They are, IMO, decent people who do decent work.

    The so-called "artists" create images for themselves of being a role model and everything, while at the same time selling their bodies and souls to get more money and fame. These "idols" are anything but decent, they're scum.
    I can't say I agree with this notion. Whether it's a prostitute who exchanges sex for money or an "idol" who sleeps around to climb up the ladder, I don't see one being superior or inferior to the other, or to any other legitimate professions in the world. as long as these artists are not holding guns to force you to see their movies or buy their albums, it's their prerogative if they decide to sleep with a producer or two to advance their careers. it might not be fair, but I bet you a prostitute that's comely gets more customer than one that's homely generally speaking, so life isn't fair, live with it. and if the public buys into the pretense that these "idols" want to sell them, then like TC said, it's the public's own problem. I certainly would not label them as "scums".
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    My mum says that Chow Yun Fat once slept with a wife of a wealthy businessman. Apparently the husband found out and gave him two choices, eat shit or jump of the building. :P Source was most likely some gossip magazine.

    Ok bring on the gossip ppl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan J
    I can't say I agree with this notion. Whether it's a prostitute who exchanges sex for money or an "idol" who sleeps around to climb up the ladder, I don't see one being superior or inferior to the other, or to any other legitimate professions in the world.
    Let me put it this way: a military commander or maybe even a crime boss using violence to overcome the opponent is, IMHO, perfectly alright. An athlete who uses violent means to cripple or maim the opponent is... well, scum.

    A hooker has sex with men to earn money. That's her job. A spy might do the same thing to gather information, it's part of the profession. An artist should use his/her artistic talent to work on his/her career, that's his/her job. If an artist uses the methods of a hooker to advance his/her career, then this person is prostituting him/herself. And if said person is also trying to create an image of being goody2shoes... Well, maybe it's a bit too harsh to call him/her scum, but I certainly have more respect for the hardworking, honest ***** sitting behind the redlighted window.

    Quote Originally Posted by dan J
    as long as these artists are not holding guns to force you to see their movies or buy their albums, it's their prerogative if they decide to sleep with a producer or two to advance their careers.
    I understand that it is hard to be an artist, and I actually feel sympathy for them if they need to sleep with people to accomplish their goals. But like I said, prostitutes do the same thing and are branded as immoral hookers, while many popstars are hailed as idols. That's something I don't agree with.

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    it might not be fair, but I bet you a prostitute that's comely gets more customer than one that's homely generally speaking,
    Uh, what's that got to do with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by dan J
    so life isn't fair, live with it. and if the public buys into the pretense that these "idols" want to sell them, then like TC said, it's the public's own problem. I certainly would not label them as "scums".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhuge Liang
    My mum says that Chow Yun Fat once slept with a wife of a wealthy businessman. Apparently the husband found out and gave him two choices, eat shit or jump of the building. :P Source was most likely some gossip magazine.
    One of my best friends works in the entertainment industry in Hong Kong, and her version of the story was soemthing like this: Chow Yun Fat worked as a gigolo and had sex with the wife of a wealthy businessman. When said businessman found out about the whole thing, he contacted a crime boss to handle the matter. Chow Yun Fat was castrated, and that was the end of it.
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    it happens in companys too where people sleep with their manager or supervisorer to get their ways. This happens in the government and in the educational sectors as well.

    It just show you that sometimes people use sex as a skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sword Goddess
    Is that another reason why most singers look good too?
    Some of them have sponsorship and/or endorsement deals from companies that want to sell their clothes, watches, etc, etc. Others just grit their teeth and dig into their pockets to look good. They are, after all, in the limelight, so they have to look the part, especially during public appearances. There was this TV actress of considerable local fame who used to live near my place overseas. She looked like any other "see-lai" (auntie) in the neighbourhood during her trips to the market.

    Quote Originally Posted by Candide
    I'm surprised that some people are surprised about this.
    Maybe they are just young ... sheltered ... or both. I have met some young people who absolutely don't believe that they might just be unlucky enough to accidentally meet with some really unsavoury company in a club or some other hangout place.

    Sleeping around to advance one's career is not something that takes place only in the entertainment circles. It can happen anywhere, in any job. It even happens in activities that do not provide financial gain, like voluntary sports. It only depends on how far a woman (there somehow seems to be a larger propensity in this direction) or a man wants to, and is willing to, go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laviathan
    But like I said, prostitutes do the same thing and are branded as immoral hookers, while many popstars are hailed as idols.
    Inconsistent and/or distorted value systems.

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    The fact is, most young people are idiots when it comes to seeing past the glamour and the fame into the ugly underbelly of the entertainment world. When I was in junior high, it was during the time when the 4 Heavenly Kings were at their peak, and nearly all the girls in my class were ga ga over Leon. Any time anyone said anything even NEUTRAL about Leon, they would all gang up on that person, and you know how nasty teenage girls can get. It was so messed up.

    I don't respect or care about most HK idols at all. I respect the ones who I judge to have true talent, but most of them would not even make the first cut in American Idol. I mean, the 12 finalists who made it into the final round of AI, almost all of them have better singing talent than 90%+ of the so-called singers in HK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laviathan
    Let me put it this way: a military commander or maybe even a crime boss using violence to overcome the opponent is, IMHO, perfectly alright. An athlete who uses violent means to cripple or maim the opponent is... well, scum.
    point taken, and I agree with you.

    ... If an artist uses the methods of a hooker to advance his/her career, then this person is prostituting him/herself. And if said person is also trying to create an image of being goody2shoes... Well, maybe it's a bit too harsh to call him/her scum, but I certainly have more respect for the hardworking, honest ***** sitting behind the redlighted window.
    Uh, what's that got to do with it?
    I'm just trying to say that they are merely creating an advantage for themselves through means they are willing to take. And I still say that if an artist have to sleep around to get a few million bucks, it's up to them. and of course keeping up a false image is only part of the act towards the same goal. afterall, what good is getting the job done half way.

    I understand that it is hard to be an artist, and I actually feel sympathy for them if they need to sleep with people to accomplish their goals. But like I said, prostitutes do the same thing and are branded as immoral hookers, while many popstars are hailed as idols. That's something I don't agree with.
    again, point taken. and I agree with you.
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    Well, depending on how you look at it, the profession of actors/actresses/singers/dancers are a form of prostitution anyways. What else do you call someone who sell the image/idea of themselves to make money? I mean, if you first paid attention to a particular singer because of his/her good looks, does it really make a difference to you if she/he sold it to someone else in person before he/she sold it to you through a picture on the TV screen or on a poster or in a movie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moinllieon
    Well, depending on how you look at it, the profession of actors/actresses/singers/dancers are a form of prostitution anyways. What else do you call someone who sell the image/idea of themselves to make money? I mean, if you first paid attention to a particular singer because of his/her good looks, does it really make a difference to you if she/he sold it to someone else in person before he/she sold it to you through a picture on the TV screen or on a poster or in a movie?

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    What seems to be the big deal ? this is nothing new.

    Almost everyone gals or guys in the Entertainment industry slept or sell their bodies in order to success and boost their career path. This happens not just in Asia, but also everywhere else in the globe.

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    I guess the moral of the story is, it is good to be a fat, out of shape, exec in the entertainment industry.
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