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    Default Would Hung 7 Gung have killed Lee Mok Sau?

    During Lee Mok Sau's decade-plus rampage across wulin, she had only limited contact with the Greats, and she was fortunate that they were either uninterested in killing her or fate intervened on her behalf. West Poison Au Yeung Fung would have killed Lee Mok Sau had her teacher (the unnamed second generation Ancient Tomb Sect Leader) not rescued her, and Lee was lucky *twice* against East Heretic Wong Yerk See, with circumstances saving her life from the Lord of Peach Blossom Island.

    Lee Mok Sau never encountered South Emperor 1 Deng (except very briefly just before her death), and the benign monk would not have broken the non-killing commandment on her account. North Beggar Hung 7 Gung, however, was known to kill individuals he deemed evil. Before the Second Mt. Hua Sword Tournament, Hung 7 Gung famously told Kau Cheen Yan that he'd killed over 200 evil men during his career as a wulin hero, and that he would not hesitate to make Kau the next one to die. Clearly, Hung 7 Gung did not believe in being merciful towards evildoers.

    Lee Mok Sau never met Hung 7 Gung, but had she encountered the old beggar, do you think Hung 7 Gung (unlike the other Greats she encountered) would have just killed her for her evil deeds?

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    No. She would have invoked lower status than him (a pupil of a pupil of his peer) to get him to back off.

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    I think yes. He knows that by letting her live he'll just condemn more innocents to death. He'll give her a fair fight, or give her a handicap, say, by using just one hand, or by giving her 10 strokes without retaliating, or by just using a combination of his first three Dragon Palms etc.. but he would be responsible enough to ensure that she did not get away. That's assuming he knew of her reputation and misdeeds and was aware of how evil she was even if she were to beg for mercy. The H7G of ROCH didn't seem to be as in touch with the workings of wulin as he might have been in LOCH - he had no idea who Daerba or his master were, but to be fair to him they hadn't even appeared in the novel yet at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    No. She would have invoked lower status than him (a pupil of a pupil of his peer) to get him to back off.
    That wouldn't have worked on Hung 7 Gung. That's the difference between him and Wong Yerk See: Hung 7 Gung wasn't hung up on stuff like that. Those 200+ people he said he had killed were all likely junior to him too. He didn't care: if they were evil and deserved to die, he'd serve up a lethal dose of Hong Lung 18 Palms and/or Dog Beating Stick Technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    That wouldn't have worked on Hung 7 Gung. That's the difference between him and Wong Yerk See: Hung 7 Gung wasn't hung up on stuff like that. Those 200+ people he said he had killed were all likely junior to him too. He didn't care: if they were evil and deserved to die, he'd serve up a lethal dose of Hong Lung 18 Palms and/or Dog Beating Stick Technique.
    Fair enough. However, I think at most he'd "help" his peer to teach her a lesson and forever cripple her martial arts or, at least, cripple her enough so she couldn't do any harm for 20 years while she rebuilt her martial arts. But to kill her outright would be far too disrespectful; he would give "face".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    Fair enough. However, I think at most he'd "help" his peer to teach her a lesson and forever cripple her martial arts or, at least, cripple her enough so she couldn't do any harm for 20 years while she rebuilt her martial arts. But to kill her outright would be far too disrespectful.
    Hung 7 Gung, however, had never met Lam Chiu Ying and in fact, had never even heard of her. Since he (unlike Wong Chung Yeung) had no personal ties to her whatsoever and didn't even know whom she was, he might not have taken that into consideration.

    Hung 7 Gung was, after all, fully prepared to kill Kau Cheen Yan in LOCH, despite the fact that he knew about and had great respect for the previous Iron Palm Union Chief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Hung 7 Gung, however, had never met Lam Chiu Ying and in fact, had never even heard of her. Since he (unlike Wong Chung Yeung) had no personal ties to her whatsoever and didn't even know whom she was, he might not have taken that into consideration.

    Hung 7 Gung was, after all, fully prepared to kill Kau Cheen Yan in LOCH, despite the fact that he knew about and had great respect for the previous Iron Palm Union Chief.
    Qiu Qianren and Hong Qi were peers. A far different scenario than Hong Qi and Lee Mochou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    Qiu Qianren and Hong Qi were peers. A far different scenario than Hong Qi and Lee Mochou.
    Given Hung 7 Gung's personality, I don't think he was very hung up on that. Ironically, it was the "free-thinking" Wong Yerk See who had the greatest difficulty letting go of these conventions.

    I'm pretty certain that among those 200+ people whom Hung 7 Gung killed, not many of them could be characterized as Hung's peers...either in wulin standing or martial arts.

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    It reminds me of how Long Busi defeated Mei Yinxue in Flower-Guarding Bell. Long was an elder statesman of wulin, immensely respected as probably the leader of wulin at the time. Mei Yinxue was (framed as) a vicious seductress and murderess, responsible for the deaths of many wulin artists who tried to kill her but failed. Mei was about 20, Long (I can't remember) probably around 60? His position was way way above hers, but he had a responsibility to wulin to ensure that the "Peacock Concubine" Mei Yinxue could no longer harm wulin. He was cordial to her, let her choose the modes of dueling (best of three rounds), and after she had lost the first two rounds he gave her another chance, allowing her to live if she could just win that last round, and after giving her all the face a qianbei could give a houbei, when he saw that she no longer had any arts which she could possibly use, he went for the quick kill with just a single stroke which destroyed her martial arts completely. H7G might not have been as polite to LMC, but he would most definitely have removed her threat from wulin either by destroying her arts, or by killing her. With H7G, I strongly suspect he'd just kill her and be done with it. After all, he wasn't the sort who tolerated how people tried to rationalise what they did, and he'd be able to tell immediately what sort of person Li Mochou was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    No. She would have invoked lower status than him (a pupil of a pupil of his peer) to get him to back off.
    H7G would kill her if he came across her. H7G was known for chasing and hunting evil-doers across China. For example, the Five Uglies of Tibet. They're actually two generations below him but the only reason he let them go was because he wanted to fight their master('s master) and they were already rendered weaker than ordinary men via internal energy sandwich.

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    Yeah he'd kill her in a heartbeat. Actually he'd probably make a little speech first. I thought it was really lame how HYS didn't kill her cus of some lame convention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilz91 View Post
    Yeah he'd kill her in a heartbeat. Actually he'd probably make a little speech first. I thought it was really lame how HYS didn't kill her cus of some lame convention.
    Although he'd never admit it, East Heretic was vain that way. He's always been something of a hypocrite in that sense.

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