Question about YG and his sword skills

[allunderheaven]

YG from his 16 years wandering and training whilst waiting for his beloved Long er attained the wooden sword stage of Dugu's sword which was said to have the power of using his Heavy Iron Sword. However when he fought GWM his sword broke. If he stilled used the HIS after his wooden sword training would his sword skills still be enhanced by the swords abilities as being industructable making YG literally unstoppable and breaking GWM's wheel like he did 16 years before?

[yittz]

Yes. He said he regretted not bringing it.

When DG said that the wooden sword, then no sword can achieve the same effect as the Iron sword, what did he actually mean? cause as you stated it obviously doesn't have the same effect.

[qiaofeng]

i think what dugu meant was that if one masters the wooden sword stage, he can dish out the same amount of damage as the iron sword, with the speed and agility of using a wooden sword.

[allunderheaven]

But his sword broke when he fought GWM after 16 years whereas before at Chongyang palace he broke all of GWM's wheels with the HIS sword. So is it the swords properties that made YG so powerful and that the wooden sword stage cannot match up to HIS?

[Guo Xiang]

But his sword broke when he fought GWM after 16 years whereas before at Chongyang palace he broke all of GWM's wheels with the HIS sword. So is it the swords properties that made YG so powerful and that the wooden sword stage cannot match up to HIS?

Yang Guo had become alot more powerful than the sixteen years ago. However, it should not be neglected that GWM's skills improved tremendously as well. If Yang Guo's depressiveness had not kicked in at the last moment, he might as well have lost.

[Ken Cheng]

Yang Guo had become alot more powerful than the sixteen years ago. However, it should not be neglected that GWM's skills improved tremendously as well. If Yang Guo's depressiveness had not kicked in at the last moment, he might as well have lost.

It would seem, then, that Yeung Gor's base-level mode at the end of ROCH was lower than the Golden Wheel Monk's. Yeung Gor had a "power-up mode", however, that the Golden Wheel Monk couldn't match.

[Bai Qi44]

It would seem, then, that Yeung Gor's base-level mode at the end of ROCH was lower than the Golden Wheel Monk's. Yeung Gor had a "power-up mode", however, that the Golden Wheel Monk couldn't match.

No he wasn't. It was only because the GWM used GS as a distractor in order to make YG to start losing. So, no YG's base-level was not lower than the GWM by any means.

Also, people seem to forget that before the 16 years, YG's sword itself was also very powerful and thus YG was able to beat many great fighters.

[kyss of the sword]

in the extract, it said YG didn't bring the heavy sword to use because he was using the combined maiden sword(but how with only one arm). it broke because he wanted to test GLFW's strenght, if he fought straight on, he might not have fallen in to trouble.
the wood sword was to train him to overcome limitations, but after that he could use any weapon including the heavy sword.

[Whsie]

Hold on guys, I thought you guys once corrected me that YG never trully mastered Wood Stage. I read somewhere that YG thought he mastered it, but when his sword broke, he figured out that he was overconfiedent and didn't trully master the wood stage.

[yittz]

So how are these two sentences not consistent?

[kyss of the sword]

YG did master the wood sword stage, which wasn't actually about using the wood sword but using anything, even something as weak a wood as your sword. it's the beginning of using your palm as a sword. HYS had his divine desending plum blossom sword palm which was the same idea but inferior in conception to DGQB. when YG used the sword to match strenght with JLFW and their strenghts were equal but JLFW's weapon was superior th YG's plain sword. if YG tried to counter with movements, the sword might not have broken because YG can use the sword well enough to control the enemy's action; back before losing his arm, YG fought JLFW with a ordinary sword and bamboo stick . if YG had the heavy iron sword, JLFW's wheels would have broken instead.

[yittz]

???

First you said the combined maiden sword, now you say an ordinary sword and a bamboo stick.

HYS's palm was named after a sword, because the palm strokes were conceived from the sword stances, not cause the palm was an advanced version of sword.

[superboy]

YG did master the wood sword stage, which wasn't actually about using the wood sword but using anything, even something as weak a wood as your sword. it's the beginning of using your palm as a sword. HYS had his divine desending plum blossom sword palm which was the same idea but inferior in conception to DGQB. when YG used the sword to match strenght with JLFW and their strenghts were equal but JLFW's weapon was superior th YG's plain sword. if YG tried to counter with movements, the sword might not have broken because YG can use the sword well enough to control the enemy's action; back before losing his arm, YG fought JLFW with a ordinary sword and bamboo stick . if YG had the heavy iron sword, JLFW's wheels would have broken instead.

It was never stated that YG had mastered the wooden stage. However, around a decade before the end of ROCH, YG was able to chop down a tree, but broke his sword at the same time. So he'd shown some form of mastery, but incomplete. By the end of ROCH, it is just plausible that he had prolly improved beyond that stage. But even that needs to be deduced, and may be subjective among readers.

There are NO hints at all about using ur hands as swords. And HYS's palms has the same idea of DGKB's philosophy??? It has nothing to do with mimicking a sword with ur palms! Just because it's called the Descending Eagle's Sword Palms???? In that case then, JMZ's 'Blazing Knife Skill' would definitely be a flawless illustration of what is supposedly "DGKB's Theory", the "sword palms". The edge of his hands acts similar to blades that are able to severe limbs. So since he had reached DGKB's zenith of martial arts, then perhaps even if YG and GJ teamed up, they still you probably suffer a humiliating defeat?

Plus, how were GLFW's weapons better? His wheels were dented and destroyed before from time to time. And during his and YG's last battle, there was one particular situation when he was not in an optimal position because of the wheels' limited diameter. YG and GLFW tested their power when their weapons collided. YG's sword broke and GLFW's wheel flew out of his hand. Also, what Maiden Sword? It's basically just the combination of QZ's swordplay with Gumu's that compliment each other. How can one person with L/R technique(obvious in this case) expect to use it?

I hate to be rude, but despite how many versions of the novel u claimed that you read, you should at least have the courtesy to provide more accurate information and be more cautious in restraining yourself from conveying opinions or personal theories with a fully resolute tone as if really backed by textual evidence. Others ask questions in hope to acquire "accurate" answers. One shouldn't play the role of an expert if one doesn't know the answer.

[TaiHan]

if YG tried to counter with movements, the sword might not have broken because YG can use the sword well enough to control the enemy's action; back before losing his arm, YG fought JLFW with a ordinary sword and bamboo stick . if YG had the heavy iron sword, JLFW's wheels would have broken instead.

Yang Guo broke his swords two times in a row, I doubt that Yang Guo can just use movement to keep his sword in tact. (One can argue that Yang Guo wasn't in good position or wasn't ready, but the same could be said to JLGS when he was beaten by Yang Guo). Also it seemed Yang Guo had always been using superior weapon, first he had the Gentleman Sword and later Heavy Iron Sword(which also had it disadvantages). With the Gentleman Sword, Yang Guo just stab a hole into JLGS's wheels as it was nothing.

[Black Night Sea]

YG did master the wood sword stage, which wasn't actually about using the wood sword but using anything, even something as weak a wood as your sword.

I’ll repeat this once again, the whole point of Dugu’s sword theory and mastery is to “use no sword to counter moves of a sword”. He’s been using his wooden sword to train with trees and an overgrown bird. Although you can say he did achieve some results out of it, but I would conjecture that Dugu’s own training was with people who actually handled weapons. Trees are not weapons, nor were the wings of an eagle. So all along he’s been following this principle: “use no sword to counter no sword.”

[yittz]

Lol

and he forgot the bit of how to "counter no sword (wheels) with sword"

[Whsie]

yes..., I remember. According to the 3rd stone, if said something when you master the wooden stage, you have reached the no sword beats sword's level.