Questions on LOCH

[wkeej]

The series on Tian long ba bu is coming to an end. no, i still have a nagging question which i will post after this wkend.

soon, it will be legend of condor heroes which i am looking forward as witty huang rong is one of my favorite wuxia characters. and yes, i will have tonnes of questions to ask you.

for a start, i have some questions. who are the condor heroes? is it guo jing? but "heroes" is in plural. who are the others? and why condor? just because guo jin shot one down?

pardon me for my ignorance about loch because the last time i was in touch with it was when barbara was huang rong.

[superboy]

Well, it seems to be plural in English so I would assume that it's both GJ and HR. And the reason the title use "Condor" would also likely be because of GJ's "two birds with one airrow" feat, or the two large Condors that he owned.

[Ken Cheng]

"Condor" has been a misleading part of that title because the condor is an American bird unknown in Eurasia during the time of LOCH.

[wkeej]

thks superboy. hmm, so he shot two birds with one arrow. i can't remember though. hmm, maybe the title should be legend of condors' hero then.

hi ken, if not condor, then may i ask what should be the appropriate english title? thks.

[Ken Cheng]

thks superboy. hmm, so he shot two birds with one arrow. i can't remember though. hmm, maybe the title should be legend of condors' hero then.

hi ken, if not condor, then may i ask what should be the appropriate english title? thks.

I think it's a hawk or falcon myself.

[Radken]

"The Eagle Shooting Heroes"?

I would like to think of the Five Greats as Condor Heroes, too.

Huang Yaoshi
Yi Deng Dashi
Ou Yang Feng
Hong Qi Gong
Zhou Bo Tong

Just my own speculation, of course.

[Ken Cheng]

"The Eagle Shooting Heroes"?

I would like to think of the Five Greats as Condor Heroes, too.

Huang Yaoshi
Yi Deng Dashi
Ou Yang Feng
Hong Qi Gong
Zhou Bo Tong

Just my own speculation, of course.

The Greats had no real relation to condors/eagles/hawks, though.

It's sometimes been interpreted to refer to Genghis Khan.

[Radken]

I know, but I was thinking of their relations to Gwok Jing and Huong Rong. They played a big part in their upbringing and should deserve some of the credit as well.

[wkeej]

ken, did genghis khan shoot the "big bird" too?

[Ken Cheng]

ken, did genghis khan shoot the "big bird" too?

I'm sure he did. It was a kind of rite of passage for Mongol hunters/warriors. It's hard to imagine that the most infamous Mongol warrior of all never shot down a "big bird".

[CC]

I'm sure he did. It was a kind of rite of passage for Mongol hunters/warriors. It's hard to imagine that the most infamous Mongol warrior of all never shot down a "big bird".

I can't see how it can be a rite of passage for _all_ Mongol warriors though.

They had tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of warriors.

How many damn birds can there be in Mongolia? Damn things will be extinct in
2 weeks!

Maybe Brother Condor saw the problem and migrated south to the
Central Plains and hid in the cave to escape being shot!

[2socks]

I'd always thought LOCH was the story of GJ. So, he's definitely the 'condor hero'. As for the plural "heroes".... that's a result of the translation, isn't it? Did JY ever meant it to be "heroes"? I mean, I'd always thought JY meant GJ as being the only "hero" with other accomplices helping him... if that made sense...

[Dennis Chen]

Yeah. Wasn't GJ supposed to have been an exceptional archer?

[kidd]

wkeej,

'Legend Of the Condor Heroes' is just a title coined by TVB for their 'Shi Diao Ying Xiong Zhuan' adaptation. It's not the official english title of the story, just the most well-known. So, I don't think even Jin Yong himself know who are the 'Heroes' in LOCH. Only that TVB guy who coined the title knows.

The most recent 2003 china adaptation actually has a different title i.e. 'The Legend Of Arching Hero'. I think this title is more accurate.

[Candide]

It's supposed to be "Legend of The Eagle Shooting Hero" (which is the title I picked for the translation on wuxiapedia ) and the only hero here is obviously Guo Jing. The "She" (shooting) bit is about archery obviously, not gun.

[wkeej]

thks all. in short, it seems that the consensus is only one hero. and it's a legend. whether eagle, condor, hawk, falcon or big bird never mind.

will pose my second question soon.

[kidd]

It's supposed to be "Legend of The Eagle Shooting Hero" (which is the title I picked for the translation on wuxiapedia ) and the only hero here is obviously Guo Jing. The "She" (shooting) bit is about archery obviously, not gun.

That's the direct translation of the book itself, not the official title of the 2003 adaptation. In the yesasia website, the title of this 2003 adaptation is given as 'The Legend Of Arching Hero'. This title was also shown on TV when our local TV station aired this series some time ago. I see this title all the time in commercial for this series.

[HuangYushi]

'The Legend Of Arching Hero'

Unfortunately, 'arching' isn't really the word to use when one refers to the act of archery (i.e. shooting with a bow and arrows). 'Arch' is either a noun that means a curved structure or anything similar, or a verb that means the act of getting into an arch (i.e. into a curved structure or something similar). So it does follow that 'arching' would mean 'bending into a curved structure or similar'.

A person who shoots with a bow and arrows is called an 'archer' (noun).
The act (or sport) of shooting with a bow and arrows is called 'archery' (noun).
But as far as I know, neither 'archer' nor 'archery' has any verb forms.

[xuelian]

Unfortunately, 'arching' isn't really the word to use when one refers to the act of archery (i.e. shooting with a bow and arrows). 'Arch' is either a noun that means a curved structure or anything similar, or a verb that means the act of getting into an arch (i.e. into a curved structure or something similar). So it does follow that 'arching' would mean 'bending into a curved structure or similar'.

A person who shoots with a bow and arrows is called an 'archer' (noun).
The act (or sport) of shooting with a bow and arrows is called 'archery' (noun).
But as far as I know, neither 'archer' nor 'archery' has any verb forms.

How about Legend of the Heroic Archer...? Sounds ... bleh.

[HuangYushi]

How about Legend of the Heroic Archer...? Sounds ... bleh.

Actually, it sounds pretty good. It's got "she4", "yingxiong" and "zhuan". Now, just fit in the "diao" somewhere and it'll be perfect! The problem is, there are several different definitions as to what constitutes a "diao". So far we've established that the "condor" is not an Asiatic bird, so it's not the "diao" in question. "Hawk", "falcon" and "eagle" are all very majestic birds that could stand in for the "diao" ... only that "diao" is unfortunately the rather unsightly "vulture" (so says my dictionary).

Then again, there's still the "big bird"....