XAJH Feats: Compilation

[bliss]

Haha I just read that passage too and was about to list it as well. I'm hunting for any reference that Xiang Wentian made concerning Dugu 9 Jian. So far it looks like the only time was when he introduced himself and Linghu Chong to the Plum Manor guards. He claimed that LHC was Feng Qingyang's disciple but didn't specifically mention anything about DG9J. It could be that XWT simply made this deduction based on the fact that YBQ could not have produced such a talented student coupled with the fact that he knew of FQY's legacy.

[wuyuejin]

The rock that Ouyang Feng was trying to lift was several thousand kilograms, but from the wordi钧 I don't think can be more than ten thousand kilograms or a different word would be used. He couldn't budge it let alone carry it, meaning it was far out of his reach. I don't think he would be able to lift several tons easily as you suggest.

The rock that bore upon Ouyang Ke's legs was a 千钧巨岩, literally meaning an igneous rock that weighs thousands of jun. 1 jun 钧 is equivalent to 30 jin, thus the rock weighs several times of 30000 jin = tens of tons. My deduction regarding HYS' lifting ability only points out that a Great Master can lift or carry several tons, not several tens of tons.

[yittz]

Also a rock that size, it's hard to exert appropriate force to lift it off the ground.

[Guo Fu ):]

zuo leng chan is the best, he invented the frozen energy technique, and is able to freeze a person (or up to several if they touch)'s body temperature to subzero degrees. now even if you were to put a person inside a giant freezer at -40 C, the person's body temperature would at most fall a few degrees. it would take a powerful pressurized scientific equipment to freeze a person to subzero, and you would need a shit ton of power to power that equipment. zuo leng chan is a mad *** power plant.

[PJ]

now even if you were to put a person inside a giant freezer at -40 C, the person's body temperature would at most fall a few degrees. it would take a powerful pressurized scientific equipment to freeze a person to subzero

My my, isn't this one of the best comparisons I've read all year...

[bliss]

But it took him more than 10 years to gather up all that Polar Ice Energy that he released in a single instant on a gamble.

[Guo Fu ):]

My my, isn't this one of the best comparisons I've read all year...

is this sarcasm

[Lanny]

Hi Lanny,

Thanks for your XAJH translation - in fact that was the very first wuxia book I read.

With the calculations, I can't disagree with it as it's explicitly written in the novel. But to me a 200kg jar would be huge - and according to the novel it was over 4尺 in diameter. It didn't specify what the height was, but the ones that you commonly see in temples are well over half a meter. In terms of capacity, that should equate to around 500L.

I find it odd that a jar of that size, will only carry 50L of wine, ie 10% of its capacity. My impression was QCJ was carrying a 2/3 full jar. JY said the jar was itself at least 200kg, let alone the addition of wine. If the wine was only 50L, it's almost not worth mentioning when compared to the container 4x its weight.

Whatever the weight it's somewhat moot, in that it will not be near 2 tonnes.

In addition, Huang Zhong Dong only lifted the lid off for a while, whereas QCJ was carrying it for what seems like half an hour. We don't know how much QCJ thrust QCJ can produce.

I guess we could estimate the volume of 200kg copper to further estimate the capacity of the jar (have to guess the thickness), but I am not in math mode today!

Remember the copper jar was used for people to burn paper. That means it is not very deep and has much wider opening at the top. The widest part had a diameter of 4 feet, but the bottom of the jar is smaller. That also means capacity of the lower 1/3 and of the mid 1/3 could be much less than the capacity of the top 1/3.

Maybe Mr. JY didn't do the math when he wrote this section. =P

[wuyuejin]

Judging from the shapes of real cauldrons often used to burn incense and paper in temples, I guess the cauldron that the Taoist carried was around 3 chi thick (http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/1985466.jpg). That would make its capacity be approximately (2^2 x pi) x 3 cubic chi = 12 x pi x 3.33^3 liters =~ 1392 liters. The sweet scent of the wine suggests that the volume of alcohol in the wine was small, therefore the mass of the wine was likely =~ 1300 kg. Hence the total weight the Taoist carried using 1 arm was around 1500 kg. Whoa!

[CC]

But it took him more than 10 years to gather up all that Polar Ice Energy that he released in a single instant on a gamble.

According to the laws of thermodynamics, if ZLC froze RWX, there must be some transfer of energy.

Either :

ZLC transferred the heat from RWX which means a massive amount of heat was vented somewhere (not mentioned in novel).

or

ZLC absorbed the energy. Like Bei Ming Shen Gong.

You can't have Polar Ice 'Energy'. When you freeze something, you are taking energy from it, not giving it energy.

[ChanceEncounter]

Or 3: the internal energy itself is actually extremely cold (likely very close to absolute zero) and is able to absorb the user's body heat when improperly managed. Thus, by releasing the qi into RWX's body, RWX suddenly felt all his body transfer towards the Ice Qi, before settling on a subzero equilibrium temperature.

[bliss]

According to the laws of thermodynamics, if ZLC froze RWX, there must be some transfer of energy.

Either :

ZLC transferred the heat from RWX which means a massive amount of heat was vented somewhere (not mentioned in novel).

or

ZLC absorbed the energy. Like Bei Ming Shen Gong.

You can't have Polar Ice 'Energy'. When you freeze something, you are taking energy from it, not giving it energy.

Let's just call it Polar Ice Dark Matter then.

[Lanny]

Judging from the shapes of real cauldrons often used to burn incense and paper in temples, I guess the cauldron that the Taoist carried was around 3 chi thick (http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/1985466.jpg). That would make its capacity be approximately (2^2 x pi) x 3 cubic chi = 12 x pi x 3.33^3 liters =~ 1392 liters. The sweet scent of the wine suggests that the volume of alcohol in the wine was small, therefore the mass of the wine was likely =~ 1300 kg. Hence the total weight the Taoist carried using 1 arm was around 1500 kg. Whoa!

First of all, it is a jar (缸) not a cauldron (鼎). The picture you linked is a picture of a cauldron used for burning incense sticks. A jar that's used for burning paper is quite different. I can't find a good picture as an example, but it looks somewhat like the one in this picture (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...icial%26sa%3DN). The jar could also be perfectly round. Because it is used for burning paper, it is not very tall and has a very wide opening to make it easy for people to burn paper.

Secondly, I think you meant to say 3 chi tall, not thick.

Thirdly, if your calculations were true, that means:

weight of 108 bowls of wine = 1300kg
capacity of 108 bowls = 1392liter
weight of 1 bowl of wine = 1300kg/108 = 12.037kg
capacity of 1 bowl = 1392liter/108 = 12.89liter

How big does the bowl have to be to be able to hold 12kg wine (which is 26.4554715 pounds)?
How many normal people can pick up a bowl of 26lb wine off the table, raise it to the mouth height and drink it with ease?

To really give people some senses of the volume here, let's first see this picture of a 5-gallon jug: http://pic.blog.plover.com/tech/gallon/bottle.jpg. This is a regular 5-gallon jug for office water coolers. So

1392liter = 367.727497 US gallons = 73.5 x 5-gallon jugs

How big does the copper jar has to be to be able to contain 73.5 5-gallon jugs? If the jar is actually this big, how was Qiu Chuji able to carry that into the winehouse and up the stairs (stairs in ancient Chinese buildings are quite narrow normally)?

[wuyuejin]

Oops, I didn't check the Chinese text, and I meant 3 chi tall. So it was a 缸, and not a 鼎. But that doesn't matter as I think the 缸 (incense urn?) used to burn incense paper has a very similar shape compared to the 缸 (incense cauldron). Look at an incense urn in a temple in Taiwan for example: http://www.jamigal.com/photos/200610...ncense_mid.jpg. You see, the height of the containing part of the urn is around 3/4 of the diameter of the urn's mouth. Thus the volume of the container part of the urn alone must have been around 1 cubic meter. I have no idea why the Taoist could carry such a big urn, I just do the math.

[CC]

Or 3: the internal energy itself is actually extremely cold (likely very close to absolute zero) and is able to absorb the user's body heat when improperly managed. Thus, by releasing the qi into RWX's body, RWX suddenly felt all his body transfer towards the Ice Qi, before settling on a subzero equilibrium temperature.

Errr, thats the part which defies physics. You can't have 'cold' energy. Coldness is a lack of energy.

[ChronoReverse]

That's assuming internal energy is actually energy per se. If you think of it more like air then it works out just fine.

[ChanceEncounter]

Errr, thats the part which defies physics. You can't have 'cold' energy. Coldness is a lack of energy.

The 'qi' itself is very cold. The qi doesn't have to be purely energy in nature. It can be particulate in nature.

[PJ]

I found another feat in SPW which seems impressive (dunno if it's been mentioned b4). It is that of 2 Songshan experts launching an attack at Qu Yang, but extending it through distance to affect Liu Zhengfeng as well.

檐头突然掠下一个黑衣人影，行动如风，一伸臂便抓住了刘正风的左腕，喝道：“君子报仇，十年未晚，去！”右 手向后舞了一个圈子，拉着刘正风向外急奔。 　　刘正风惊道：“曲大哥……你……” 　　群雄听他叫出“曲大哥”三字，知道这黑衣人便是魔教长老曲洋，尽皆心头一惊。 　　曲洋叫道：“不用多说！”足下加劲，只奔得三步，丁勉、陆柏二人四掌齐出，分向他二人后心拍来。曲洋向刘正风喝道：“快走！”出掌在刘正风背上一推，同时运劲于背，硬生生受了丁勉、陆柏两大高手的并力一击。砰的一声响，曲洋身子向外飞出去，跟着一口鲜血 急喷而出.....

刘正风.....：“曲大哥，你是大椎穴受伤，震动了心脉？”曲洋道：“正是，嵩山派内功果然 厉害，没料到我背上挺受了这一击，内力所及，居然将你的心脉也震断了......”

My interpretation of the sequence of events was like this:

1. Qu Yang grabbed Liu Zhengfeng to run away

2. The 2 Songshan experts attacked Qu and Liu (it's not certain whether they used LDA or physical contact)

3. Qu Yang pushed Liu Zhengfeng out of the way (which way? In front of Qu or to the side? Not sure...), while himself suffered the blow by the combined forces of 2 Songshan experts

4. Apparently, the blow on Qu Yang extended to shattered Liu Zhengfeng's "heart arteries" (?). This sounds like a very potent attack b/c Liu Zhengfeng had already been pushed out of the way, but the attack nevertheless got to him.

Is it simply that when Qu Yang's body "flew out", it (carrying the original attacking force) hit Liu Zhengfeng, thus breaking his arteries; or did the attacking force actually extend itself through distance to injure Liu?