Overrated PXJF and KHBD vs. Some Real Men Arts

[Mandred Skavenslayer]

If this is the case then he can go after YCH's loved ones.

Reaching for straws here

[Western Eccentric]

Really not sure where you are getting this from. Even Yang Guo under the tutelage of a Great needed five years to defeat Li Mochou. You really think LPZ under YBQ, studying a second rate martial art can do better?

YG thought around 1-2 years for perfectly mastered Divine Flick and Jade Flute Swordplay so in 3rd years he might be strong "enough" to defeat LMC not 5 years..

[Mandred Skavenslayer]

YG thought around 1-2 years for perfectly mastered Divine Flick and Jade Flute Swordplay so in 3rd years he might be strong "enough" to defeat LMC not 5 years..

Wasn't it Huang Yaoshi he said he needed 5 years to definitely defeat LMC?

[Western Eccentric]

All YG thought/speculation not what HYS say..

[CC]

Really not sure where you are getting this from. Even Yang Guo under the tutelage of a Great needed five years to defeat Li Mochou. You really think LPZ under YBQ, studying a second rate martial art can do better?

Plus by the time LPZ got hold of the BXJF manual, he already knew YBQ was a crook. No way he could depend on YBQ.

[Stance]

Hua shan skills was powerful just being divided toke time to get stronger. Lpz seems to be faster learner then ybq and if he learned purple mist and all of hua san ma, im pretty sure he ll beat ych in couple yrs.

How powerful was Hua Shan skills? The 2 brothers before the divide had to resort to stealing KHBD and FQY had to turn to dugu 9 swords to be great.

In HSDS they didn't have anyone that stood out?

[Western Eccentric]

How powerful was Hua Shan skills? The 2 brothers before the divide had to resort to stealing KHBD and FQY had to turn to dugu 9 swords to be great.

In HSDS they didn't have anyone that stood out?

The 2 of Huashan Elders can give Wuji some of "trouble" at Brightness Peak when they fought with He's Couple of Kunlun in Yin/Yang Formation..
I think the problem of this sect at HSDS is lack of capable leader

[Ken Cheng]

I've never rated Mt. Hua as an elite wulin sect. They were around a long time, and were generally well-respected, but I never thought they ever cracked into the Top 3 Sects in wulin at any given time (which most other sects such as Shaolin, Mo Dong, Ngor Mei, Beggar's Union, Cheun Jen Sect, etc., did).

[Western Eccentric]

If we count to HSDS Huashan is the weakest among 6 big sects..
Shaolin
Wudang
Emei
Kunlun
Kongdong
Huashan

[Stance]

If we count to HSDS Huashan is the weakest among 6 big sects..
Shaolin
Wudang
Emei
Kunlun
Kongdong
Huashan

Do you know where they stand by the time SSRB?

[Western Eccentric]

Nach I wonder did Huashan at HSDS SPW and SSWRB are the "same sect" coz they look different in each era..
Crap in HSDS medioker in SPW and Elite in SSWRB

[a_tumiwa]

arghhh SSWRB....
the only Jin Yong novel without english translation

[CC]

I've never rated Mt. Hua as an elite wulin sect. They were around a long time, and were generally well-respected, but I never thought they ever cracked into the Top 3 Sects in wulin at any given time (which most other sects such as Shaolin, Mo Dong, Ngor Mei, Beggar's Union, Cheun Jen Sect, etc., did).

Yup, only way Hua Shan skills are going to beat ZLC and co would be if they taught it to Xiao Feng.

[Ken Cheng]

Yup, only way Hua Shan skills are going to beat ZLC and co would be if they taught it to Xiao Feng.

Mt. Hua Sect is the "Brown University" of wulin sects. It has pedigree and respect, but always seems to get overlooked/overshadowed when compared to Harvard (Shaolin), Yale (Mo Dong Sect), and Princeton (Ngor Mei Sect).

[tape]

The strength of all the sects besides Shaolin has always been a bit suspect to me. Besides Shaolin who always seem to have quite a few experts and thousands of disciples, the next sects seem to only have dozens of members. Wudang should be second and they seem to barely crack a hundred or two people.

As much as Ngor Mei seems to have a name in HSDS, they would lose to even recently established sects like White Eagle's.

[Western Eccentric]

Well can Qiao Feng (given his godly talent) "reach" a great status if he only learn Huashan skill since Mu Renqing (Yuan Chengzhi teacher) at SSWRB seems very formidable in his era with Huashan arts..

[Stance]

Well can Qiao Feng (given his godly talent) "reach" a great status if he only learn Huashan skill since Mu Renqing (Yuan Chengzhi teacher) at SSWRB seems very formidable in his era with Huashan arts..

Didn't XF defeated Xuannan with just Founder's Fist (just a basic skill) and Xuannan is above DCQ?

Mu Renqing is below the 7 disciples of Quanzhen, so XF should be way above Mu Renqing even if he only learnt Huashan arts.

[Western Eccentric]

Didn't XF defeated Xuannan with just Founder's Fist (just a basic skill) and Xuannan is above DCQ?

Mu Renqing is below the 7 disciples of Quanzhen, so XF should be way above Mu Renqing even if he only learnt Huashan arts.

Don't forget he learn Shaolin arts for 10 years under Xuanku tutelage even "basic" Shaolin art is stronger than Huashan Kongdong or Qingcheng Sect arts IMHO also he fought Xuannan/Xuanju when he already at "great-level" just like YG vs ZBT at ROCH which even with QZ skills YG can fought ZBT "evenly" in "defense mode"..
As for Mu Renqing below QZ 7 Masters I think is not true he's at least in their level or perhaps a bit better

[Stance]

As for Mu Renqing below QZ 7 Masters I think is not true he's at least in their level or perhaps a bit better

If you believe in the rankings and YCZ just below his master.

LV 45: Quanzhen 7 Elders (RO) - Qiu Chu Ji (LV50), Ma Yu (LV48)
LV 40: Quanzhen 7 Elders (LO) - Qiu Chu Ji (LV42), Ma Yu (LV41)
LV 38: Yuan Chengzhi

[Western Eccentric]

If you believe in the rankings and YCZ give or take around his master.

LV 45: Quanzhen 7 Elders (RO) - Qiu Chu Ji (LV50), Ma Yu (LV48)
LV 40: Quanzhen 7 Elders (LO) - Qiu Chu Ji (LV42), Ma Yu (LV41)
LV 38: Yuan Chengzhi

I would ranks Mu Renqing around Mongolian Warriors (i.e Lv 50) and Yuan Chengzhi Lv 42 (at best) since Jiunan which "the best" in Flying Fox and Duke of Mountain Deer (don't know the proper title) at Lv 40..