RoCH Chap 33 Onwards

**Bangs** · 01-04-06, 10:18 PM

Wow! After a night's rest, tons of new posts! Amazing how people can get easily fired up.

@Adryn Novan: I do not know who you are and what great achievements you have done in your life, but no matter how great you are, you just made yourself look little in this forum. If you want some respect here then please start by showing some first, when you first voiced your opinion and suggestions you were offensive, its like your saying that the translators' work here are trash. Sure they are not 100% accurate but who's work is (unless if Jin Yong himself translated)? We don't have anything against you, if you are truly a great man then you should know how to earn respect. Have a nice day!

**SkineePanda** · 01-04-06, 10:34 PM

IcyFox,

I just wanna voice my appreciation for what you are doing. Taking your own time to translate an novel is tedious work. But despite what some people would say, I think you're doing a awesome job and many other people really appreciate your hard work. Reading your and other people's translations really helps to kill our time. Thank you.

**chak** · 01-04-06, 10:51 PM

I am semi -chinese literate, took up chinese in sec school but always failed that subject :P So please pardon me if there are any mistakes, I come from Singapore , i can speak chinese but have a very hard time reading it or writing it.

There are many reason why there are so many different spellings, it is partly due also due to the dialect spoken e.g Yeung Gor is in cantonese while Yang Guo is in chinese Kwok Jin to guo jing etc. ,
The same chinese words can be spoken in both cantonese and chinese.

And there is different ver of chinese words, If the copy of the novel comes from a taiwanese source, the character sets would be in traditional chinese, if from a chinese source it would be simplfied or modern chinese.

For han yu pin ying there are 4 sounds to every word eg Qing it is usually denoted by a mark above the word , each sound has different meaning, sometimes not all the 4 sounds have meaning.
qing1 would mean light (as in not heavy)
qing2 would mean feeling

e.g mā má mǎ mà

more info can be found here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin

I have only explain what i am sure about , so i have missed out some of the other queries.

Nan Hay Shen Nuu
the last word Nuu should be Ni2 as in Ni2 Gu1 meaning Nun

Lao Wan Tong3, the Tong3 means little kid,
Zhong Shen Tong1 the word here Tong1 means through or clear, Shen Tong means Divine Clear literally. I would think it has to do with the chinese divination book / book of changes / Taoist book known as 'tong1 shu1'

Jue2 Qing2 Gu, Jue Qing literal meaning means 'stop feelings'. the real meaning means hard hearted or heartless or stop feelings, Qing2 in this context can mean many things e.g Ai4 Qing2 = love, You3 Qing2 = friendship

Dan Zi Shen Dong - Divine Flicking Finger. I think 'Dan' here means bullet.
Tan2 Zi4 Sheng2 Gong1

Tan2 means Flick or repel or bounce

Hope this makes it clearer for non chinese readers.

I think that the translators here are doing a great job in their own style.
I personally feel that there aresome chinese poems/words/phrases that would be meaningless when translated directly and vice versa.

Finally, A very Big Thanks to all the translator that work so hard . from the start to the end..
bear in mind most translations takes years to complete, so lets all be grateful

Cheers,

1st post here after like 3-4? years..

Chak

**Carefree Assassin** · 01-04-06, 11:29 PM

Though it's true that the numbers would help in the phonetic understanding of the words/names, and maybe it's just me but I think that the numbers are aesthetically ugly and actually makes reading harder. and when it's in the english context Chinese names serve only as an identifying thing. It's impossible to replicate the irony in some names like He Shi Wo unless you wan't to rename him Master Is Me, which is nearly as bad as some American guy's translation of the protagonist from Jin Yong's Lu Ding Ji Wei XiaoBao into "little treasure", now what the heck is that as a name. So far the naming of characters has been brilliant, and i think numbers will just make it confusing as to the clarity it currently has.

**IcyFox** · 01-04-06, 11:31 PM

Chapter 39 - Battle Of Xiang Yang

The Trailer...

举步入内，一瞥眼间，不由得全身一震，只见屋中陈设简陋，但洁净异常，堂上只一桌一几，此外便无别物，桌几放置的方位他却熟悉之极，竟与古墓石室中的桌椅一模一样。他也不加思量，自然而然的向右侧转去，果然是间小室，过了小室，是间较大的房间。房中床榻桌椅，全与古墓中杨过的卧室相同，只是古墓中用具大都石制，此处的却由粗木搭成。但见室右有榻，是他幼时练功的寒玉床；室中凌空拉着一条长绳，是他练轻功时睡卧所用；窗前小小一几，是他读数写字之处。室左立着一个粗糙木橱，拉开橱门，只见橱中放着几件树皮结成的儿童衣衫，正是从前在古墓时小龙女为自己所缝制的模样。他自进室中，抚摸床几，早已泪珠盈眶，这时再也忍耐不住，眼泪扑簌簌的滚下衣衫。忽觉得一只柔软的手轻轻抚着他的头发，柔声问道：“过儿，甚么事不痛快了？”
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Stepping in, he looked around and was stunned. The furniture was simple but the house was sparkling clean. There only was a table and chair but its arrangement was very familiar, exactly the same like the arrangement in the Ancient Tomb. He did not examine the place and naturally turned left and he saw a small room. After passing the small room, he found himself looking into a bigger room. In the room the bed, table and chair also had exactly the same arrangement as in the Ancient Tomb. The only difference was that the furniture in the Ancient Tomb was made of stone while the furniture here is made of wood.

On the left was a bed which looked like the Cold Jade Bed he practiced his Internal Strength; In the middle a long rope was suspended through the room which he used to practice his Qing Gong (Lightness Skill); Near the window was a small stool which was where he learnt to read and write. On the left was a rough wooden cabinet; when he opened it he saw children's clothes made of tree bark which was exactly of the same design Xiao Long Nu made for him years ago. He walked into the room and touched the bed. The tears had already welled up in his eyes but now he could not hold them back and the tears rolled off his cheeks and fell onto his shirt.

Suddenly he felt a smooth hand lightly stroking his hair, gently asking, "Guo-Er, what's making you unhappy?"
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COMMING SOON...

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**Tazzy1972** · 01-04-06, 11:35 PM

can't wait for it

**Demonic Swordsman** · 01-05-06, 12:06 AM

argh.....shouldnt have read that....

lol j/k...i love reading anything

**dragongirl** · 01-05-06, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by crazylife123

Glad you like it...you'll get to see it in live action in a few days.

Like it??? I love it! I've been sitting on my seat eagerly waiting for the next chapters to be translated!

**Bangs** · 01-05-06, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by dragongirl

Like it??? I love it! I've been sitting on my seat eagerly waiting for the next chapters to be translated!

Oh my god! here comes Da Bao's successor! 120+ posts since Nov 2005.

**Xiao Long Nu** · 01-05-06, 12:54 AM

OMG that 'teaser excerpt' just about killed me...i thought i was a full blown ROCH addict on the road to recovery (checking thread only two times a day now instead of five

)...now it's over- MAJOR

relapse into ROCH addiction

**only.you** · 01-05-06, 02:11 AM

Personally, I'm just greatful and appreciative that I had discovered this site. I don't think any of us are even in the position where we are worthy to complain about how the chapters or whatever are being translated. Unless you are one of the few who are actually dedicating your time and effort into translating this novel, then you really shouldn't make any rude criticisms/inconsiderate remarks at all. It's really not easy to translate such a complicated book. I mean, the words have to be chosen wisely and of course we all expect decent grammar out of all our tranlsators. Plus, it's not like they're obligated to translate for us, but they do so because they want to share the experience or et cetera. =) ...so lets just be patient and understanding okay? =)

Haha...so there's my rambling for the day.

Go guys! I cant wait to finish this. =)

**JamesG** · 01-05-06, 02:53 AM

Finished chapter 14 and will start 15 in a few minutes.

I'm starting to get nervous about letting people have access to my edited version of all the translations, since it will be far from perfect.

Having to make a judgement call about some of the less than clear intent of some sentences could cause me some grief from some readers.

Aside from knowing how to say hello, goodbye, thank you and Happy New Year in Cantonese and Mandarin that's the extent of my knowledge of Chinese!

Boy am I going to be ready when the series is released for sale.

Hopefully there will be nothing major to kick off a nit picking explosion.

Wizard

**Da Bao** · 01-05-06, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Xiao Long Nu

OMG that 'teaser excerpt' just about killed me...i thought i was a full blown ROCH addict on the road to recovery (checking thread only two times a day now instead of five

)...now it's over- MAJOR

relapse into ROCH addiction

Oh boy... Do I know that feeling well... I thought I was over but then something just pulls you back in...

I'm almost done with correcting mistakes (mostly grammer) on the chapter 34 (translated by foxs and noddles... if memory serves correctly).
Please just wait a bit longer. (I'll either post it or wait fo JYF to finish the parts that come before. Very nicely done by the way.)

**sunnysnow** · 01-05-06, 04:25 AM