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    i was reading about laviathan's ten dumbest people at another site. zzr was not listed. but do you think she made a dumb mistake of losing the man she love?
    when zm gatecrashed the wedding, and zwj decided to leave with zm, zzr was furious and started attacking zm. was it because:
    1. she was jealous?
    2. she was afraid that zm may know about her secrets?
    3. she was dumb?
    4. others please specify.

    if zzr has allowed zwj to leave with zm, will that win her "popular" votes to the extent that zwj will love her more?

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    maybe the ten's dumbness were out of zzr's league =/

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    Can you provide reference to the list?

    How is ZZR dumb. Based on her actions, she is one of the most cunning characters in HSDS, and intelligent too, based on her martial arts learning ability.

    ZWJ was out of her grasp once ZM showed up with Golden lion hair. So both 2. and afraid of losing ZWJ is the reason for resorting to force at the wedding.

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    maybe a combination of jealousy and being afraid that her secret would be found out by cheung mo kei

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    Quote Originally Posted by yittz
    Can you provide reference to the list?
    Here's it. I took it from the wuxia mania website, though i thought i saw it here before.

    The Top Ten of Dumbest People in Jin Yong Universe!

    Posted By: Laviathan (ppp0-107-59-62.dialup.zonnet.nl)
    Date: Sunday, 10 August 2003, at 8:53 a.m.

    The Top Ten of Dumbest People in Jin Yong Universe

    1. Hu Yizhi (DOMD): Hu Yizhi used to be a famous martial arts master and was known as the Invincible Saber. But after seeing Chen Yuanyuan, he completely lost his senses and followed her everywhere. Hu disguised himself, never revealing his identity or his love for Chen to anyone. For almost 20 years he lived this way, and he eventually became the gardener of the temple in which Chen Yuanyuan was residing.

    Apparently, it never occurred to Hu to save Chen Yuanyuan out of the hands of Wu Sangui. The only thing Chen needed was a man who truly loved her, but Hu vowed to never touch Chen Yuanyuan for in his eyes he is a Goddess and he is just a man. Hu loves Chen so much that he let her suffer all those years in Kunming, let her have sex with Li Zicheng and Wu Sangui (men who obviously did not sincerely love Chen) etc.

    Hu Yizhi is SO INCREDIBLY STUPID!

    2. Yang Tiexin (LOCH): Yang Tiexin recovered from his fall off the ravine and changed his name into Mu Yi. He and his adopted daughter travelled across the land in search of his wife and Guo Jing's mother. Yang and Mu Nianci wandered all provinces for many years but all in vain. He eventually got the idea of erecting a podium and let his daughter fight young men, hoping to find Guo Jing this way…

    Apparently, it never occurred to Yang Tiexin to just go to Qiu Chuji and ask him for help. Yang Tiexin knew that Qiu Chuji was a Quanzhen priest, and the headquarters of Quanzhen Sect is Chongyang Shrine at Zhongnan Mountain in Sh'anxi Province. Everybody knows that (everybody except Yang Tiexin of course). But who can blame Yang though? Wandering China in a desperate search is so much fun… Why spoil it by using more efficient methods?

    Yang Tiexin is a complete retard...

    3. Hong Antong (DOMD): Hong Antong was the leader of the Divine Dragon Cult. He desperately wanted to get his hands on the Manchurian treasure map and sent his lackey Mao Dongzhu to work undercover inside the Forbidden City. Mao Dongzhu eventually became Empress Dowager, but it NEVER OCCURED to Hong Antong to use Mao Dongzhu to control Emperor Kangxi… No, instead Hong made a pact with Wu Sangui: Hong will help Wu become emperor and in return Hong will get Taiwan and Hainan Islands…

    Sure, why would anyone want to become King of the World when he can be the boss of two beautiful islands?

    4. Sun Gangfeng (Outer Stories of Flying Fox): Sun Gangfeng was the leader of Northern Style Taiji during Emperor Qianlong's reign. Sun challenged Zhao Banshan, who was an exponent of Southern Style Taiji, to a duel and lost. Years later, the whole family of his martial arts brother Lü Xixian was killed by Chen Yu, except for the 13-year-old daughter of Lü, Xiaomei who went to Sun Gangfeng for help. Sun realised he was no match for Chen Yu and told Xiaomei to find Zhao Banshan to aid her in her quest for revenge. Sun then cut off both of his hands and gave them to Xiaomei, saying that Zhao Banshan will surely help her when he sees his "gifts". Sun then sent poor Xiaomei on her way.

    Apparently, it never not occurred to Sun Gangfeng that it might be a little dangerous for a young girl to walk all the way from Beijing to the Muslim Regions… Why didn't he gave her a hand? Oh wait a minute, he did gave her a hand, in fact he gave her BOTH OF HIS HANDS!

    5. Unnamed Buddhist Monk of Dali Celestial Dragon Temple (ROCH): At the wedding of Lu Zhanyuan and He Wanjun, Li Mochou appeared and tried to kill the new couple. This old monk from Dali stopped Li Mochou and vowed that he would protect Lu and He for the coming ten years. Li Mochou, filled with rage and frustration because she could not avenge the ones responsible for her agony, took it out on innocent people, killing thousands of people in those ten years.This foolish old monk tried to save two people but brought disaster to thousands. And apparently, he did NOT prevent Li Mochou from killing innocent people. Seems like the lives of Lu Zhanyuan and He Wanjun are precious while other people aren't worth anything…

    6. Li Tingbao (Outer Stories of Flying Fox): Li Tingbao was the de facto leader of the Wutai School and also head of the Wulang Armed Escort Company. He was also an expert of the Wulang Staff. At the Martial Arts Meeting of Fu Kang'an, Li was defeated by Tian Guinong. Tian broke the wrist of Li so that he would never be able to use the staff again. Li realised that he cannot be the head of his company anymore and that his wife and children would probably die of poverty… Unable to cope with this, Li Tingbao committed suicide on the spot.

    I wonder what will happen with his wife and children now their only hope of survival just killed himself…

    7. Zhao Zhijing (ROCH): Zhao Zhijing is a complete idiot. This man does everything wrong, starting from the first time I read about him in the novel. He could not tell who the enemy was and led the Grand Dipper Formation against Guo Jing instead of the true aggressors, namely Huodu and his men. This man has no talents at all, he is ignorant and believes that he should be leader because his martial arts are the best amongst his fellow martial arts brothers. Most of his martial arts brothers dislike him. The Seven Masters had no high opinion of him at all. It is beyond my comprehension that Zhao actually thought he was destined for leadership. It seems that he also lacks self judgement and insight. He betrays Quanzhen to the Mongolians and really thinks he can be and stay the supreme leader of the Quanzhen School. Such nonsense! He does not have a plan. He just messes about as he goes along.

    8. Liu Hezhen (Outer Stories of Flying Fox): Liu Hezhen was tricked by Tian Guinong to poison Miao Renfeng's eyes. Filled with guilt, Liu blinded himself and walked away, instead of helping Hu Fei finding an antidote.

    Taoist Priest Tianmen (Smiling Proud Wanderer): Now, seriously… In "Smiling Proud Wanderer" everybody in the world knew that Zuo Lengchan wants to become leader of the Five Mountain Sword Schools, but it seems that Tianmen went to Songshan without any mental preparation. He got tricked immediately and committed suicide, leaving his disciples at the mercy of Zuo Lengchan.

    Liu and Tianmen share the 8th place.

    9. Yuan Xingzhu (DGSD): This woman got knocked up by the same guy… TWICE. According to Yuan, her father was very strict (yeah right, he's so strict that he never noticed you getting pregnant two times) so she could not take care of her daughters herself. She gave them away and lost all contact. Yuan Xingzhu is therefore responsible for the tragedy of Xiao Feng, Ah Zhu and Ah Zi.

    10. Hou Tonghai (LOCH/ROCH): This was a guy who believed in ghosts and went around carrying a bucket full of ##### to perform exorcism… Go figure!

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    How was she dumb if she attacked ZM? I think it was dumbed that she didn't kill ZM after she got back to CHina

    btw, i don't think she "lost" ZWJ, cause the way I see it, she never had him loved her truly prior to the wedding
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    Inspired by Laviathan's top 10 dumbest individuals list, I would like to nominate You Tanzhi's father's teacher, who told his students "if you are ever deprived of your weapons, then you must die." Well, considering the mediocrity of You Tanzhi's father and You Tanzhi's uncle's skills (relative to top fighters), their teacher is simply setting them up for miserable failure of the fatal kind.

    Or, it may simply be the stupidity of You Tanzhi's father and uncle which took their teacher's remark too seriously. Their teacher may have simply said that to make them train harder, but they ended up following the advice literally. Either way, their pathetic kung fu (relative to top fighters) definitely did not make them safe from such a decree.
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    Yeah, the world of wulin is filled with dumbos. Some of their incredible stupidity is due to their fate as pawns to satisfy the plot, and part of it is due to the dumba$$ ways of thinking back "in the day" thanks to 'tards like Confucius (he was indeed confused), Mencius et al.

    Qi Fang is an extremely dumb byatch for going back and saving Wan Gui and his daddy. She is too retarded to understand that sealed pressure points can be unsealed naturally with time. She kinda found that out when WG was well enough to stick a knife in her belly. What she did is akin to a man sticking his hand in an alligator's mouth and then complaining that it bit his hand off.

    And to mention just of one of Chen Jia Luo's shining moments of dog feces licking stupidity... he was fortunate enough to have a pack of wolves deliver a weary and defeated Zhang Zhao Zhong (a man he was beaten by numerous times before) to his doorstep. So what does he do with his good fortune? He decides that he is too much of a man to kick a man when he's down, so he lets ZZZ heal up and then kick his a$$ yet again and threw him to the wolves, literally. A lesser man of honor may have thought to at least seal the mofo's pressure pts, seeing that he was too sucky to beat said mofo when said mofo was somewhere close to full strength.
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    Thats a great list especially number one.
    What a douche bag.

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    Umm I wouldn't necessarily call Zhou Zhiruo stupid. She's rather manipulative in HSDS and intelligent too, although I wouldn't say she is extremely intelligent either. However, her personality has issues - she's either too weak, or when she turns evil, she just downright creepy.

    There are several wuxia characters that are not stupid IQ-wise, but just make stupid decisions. On the contrary, Guo Jing might be dumb and slow, but he's not a "stupid" wuxia character.
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    I think Yue Ling Shan was kinda stupid....she chose Lin Ping Zhi over Linghu Chong....
    Oh and Mu Nian Ci was dumb to believe Yang Kang would actually change....how many times did he tell her that and then go back to the Jins again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redfirefly124
    I think Yue Ling Shan was kinda stupid....she chose Lin Ping Zhi over Linghu Chong....
    I don't think it was stupid of YLS to choose Lin Pingzhi. Remember she had no idea that LPZ was actually evil. But I did think it was foolish of her to insist on following him everywhere even after his blinding. But that trait is often common to people madly in love. :P

    Also I feel it is debatable whether she really loved LHC or merely treated him as an elder brother.

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    OT: This thread was dead for 1 year and somehow dug out by PJ. Another thing: the title is changed so I do not think I ever used "Chow Chi Yerk" - looks like Ken's work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redfirefly124
    I think Yue Ling Shan was kinda stupid....she chose Lin Ping Zhi over Linghu Chong....
    Well, I don't think Yue Lingshan was stupid.
    If I were her, I would fall in love with Lin Pingzhi too (certainly before he turned into a degenerate person). Marrying a stately man like Lin Pingzhi, the family life in the future of Yue Lingshan would probably be more stable than that iin the case she marries a vagabond like Linghu Chong. Furthermore, Lin Pingzhi is more handsome and polite than Linghu Chong ^^.
    Quote Originally Posted by junzi
    Also I feel it is debatable whether she really loved LHC or merely treated him as an elder brother.
    In the first 30 chapters of XAJH, there's no detail showing that Yue Lingshan really loved Linghu Chong. Not sure about the last 10 chapters, my Chinese reading skill is not good enough to understand everything Jin Yong wrote. But I still think that Yue Lingshan only regarded Linghu Chong as her elder brother.
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    Yang Guo & Zhou Botong said in Chapters 6, 11 & 25 of ROCH:
    - 这道姑也算得美了,只是还不及桃花岛郭伯母,更加不及我姑姑。
    - 原来郭伯母竟是这般美貌,小时候我却不觉得。
    - 龙姑娘,我瞧你品貌才智,和那小黄蓉不相上下,武功也跟她差不离。

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    In the very least, YLS did care about LHC a lot, evident when LPZ first encounters her (sans disguise) and her Huashan "comrades." She did have feelings for LHC, whether those feelings are romantic, perhaps even she doesn't know. Since LHC is probably the best looking and coolest of all the HS people, and LHC is the one that she has known for the longest time, it's natural that he is the one that she bonds with. The introduction of a handsome young man around her age (e.g., a viable alternative) was enough to eventually displace LHC as da man in her heart.
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    LPZ was also very much like her father (I think LHC thought about it as a possible reason) and if Freud made any sense then it'd only be natural for her to prefer LPZ.
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    I'd like to submit a candidate for stupidest person in wuxia: whoever designed the prison meant to hold Ren Woxing. The four brothers of the manor make a big show of opening the final door with one key each, all of which must be used to unlock the door. Later LHC realizes that the hole in the door is big enough for someone to squeeze through anyway, and it is only the shackles on the prisoner that keeps him from running away. So, like, what's the point of the door anyway?

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    That's Dongfang Bubai, the opponent that Ren Woxing respected the most.
    In the novel Jin Yong wrote that the hole on the door was 33 cm wide and 33 cm long, ha ha, perhaps Dongfang Bubai concentrated on training the Sunflower manuscript so much that s-he didn't notice the Pythagorean theorem in this case. Even though the length and the width of the hole was not enough for a mature man to escape, the diagonal was, in fact, ~ 46.7 cm.
    Yang Guo & Zhou Botong said in Chapters 6, 11 & 25 of ROCH:
    - 这道姑也算得美了,只是还不及桃花岛郭伯母,更加不及我姑姑。
    - 原来郭伯母竟是这般美貌,小时候我却不觉得。
    - 龙姑娘,我瞧你品貌才智,和那小黄蓉不相上下,武功也跟她差不离。

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    Qi Fang is an extremely dumb byatch for going back and saving Wan Gui and his daddy. She is too retarded to understand that sealed pressure points can be unsealed naturally with time. She kinda found that out when WG was well enough to stick a knife in her belly. What she did is akin to a man sticking his hand in an alligator's mouth and then complaining that it bit his hand off.
    I don't particularly agree with this. I think her action was extremely poignant rather than dumb. Wan Gui is to blame more than her.

    I don't see it as more dumb than Ah Zhu asking Qiao Feng to take care of a little ***** Ah Zi, especially after Ah Zhu witnessed some of Ah Zi's monstrocities. A girl like Ah Zi, the sooner she dies the better for the world.

    I also don't see it as more dumb than Shi Potian volunteering to help out Shi Zhongyu and Ding Dang. One is a careless rapist while the other is someone who is attracted to the rapist (and who kills on whim).

    Another example: Reverend Kongjian helping Cheng Kun, costing his life.

    IMO, that good people are willing to risk their life to help not-so-good people, is what makes the goodness stand out. It would be much easier to simply kill or walk away from the bad guys, but to offer a helping hand at a slim possibility of making a difference, is truly admirable in my opinion.

    When his wife let him out, Wan Gui *could* have "turned around" for good, but he chose not to. He is to blame, not Qi Fang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    i but do you think she made a dumb mistake of losing the man she love?
    she is not dumb, merely stupid by listening to her diabolic teacher that make her swear like a despot.

    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    1. she was jealous?
    of course she jealous. chee yeok might not be selfish to begin with but she is never know to be generous either.

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