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    Quote Originally Posted by sheraldine
    henry also a steady guy.... steadier than edmund b of m.park and much more nicer than darcy... ok ok, darcy is not bad and i sorta like him in the end but darcy shouldnt be soooooo proud and arrogant in the FIRST place! ....
    I think that's what makes Darcy the most popular Austen guy. The fact that this proud and arrogant guy willing to change himself for the better after being humbled by the girl he loves can sure melt hearts.

    What makes Darcy attractive:
    - He is willing to admit his mistake after being humbled
    - He changed for the better after knowing his faults
    - After being rejected by Elizabeth, he still helped out her family behind the scene (this shows that he did those out of genuine care and not for show).
    - He's misunderstood (he looks snobbish in the beginning, but is actually a decent guy and an upright person. Also, being introverted and quiet might be mistaken for being a snob.)

    Here's an article comparing Darcy and Henry Crawford. It clearly shows what makes Darcy ticks. http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/darcrawf.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidd
    I think that's what makes Darcy the most popular Austen guy. The fact that this proud and arrogant guy willing to change himself for the better after being humbled by the girl he loved can sure melt hearts.

    What makes Darcy attractive:
    - He is willing to admit his mistake after being humbled
    - He changed for the better after knowing his faults
    - After being rejected by Elizabeth, he still helped out her family behind the scene (this show that he did those this out of genuine care and not for show).
    - He's misunderstood (he looks snobbish in the beginning, but is actually a decent guy and an upright person. Also, being introverted and quiet might be mistaken for being a snob.)

    Here's an article comparing Darcy and Henry Crawford. It clearly shows what makes Darcy ticks. http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/darcrawf.html
    yeah, i know darcy is one of the most popular guys in english literature. after all, pride n prejudice is by far the most read classic and wellknown of the entire austen's collection. do you know i have 4 book of the same title??? no, no i wasnt mental or something like that but two of them were my own, one simplified while the other one is complete. the other two were presents from friends, who knew i was austen's fan but didnt knew i already have it... anyway, back to darcy, austen didnt really promote him in the beginning, she only develop his character later on after plotting around bingley and jane. i caught the hint starting from lizzy's conversation with col. forrester, (or was it charlotte? oh, never mind) from there, we knew he is the man all the way..... but the harm was done in the earlier part when he snubbed lizzy openly, now now, that is not the conduct or manner of a gentleman in the conversation, no no.... that what makes him 1 point (ok ok ok 0.5) below henry tilney

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    I bet u have the whole collection of Austen books. So, whichever title yours friends gave will only be an extra copy. It's too bad that Jane Austen died so early and left so few works. She's a great writer. I've read all her works already, even the Juvenilia.

    Anyway, back to the guys. I've read that some readers dislike Tilney because they felt that he's being patronizing towards Catherine, dictating how she should think and stuff. Some also think he is cruel to tease people the way he does (like the talk with the lady about muslin). Btw, I also like James Morland. It's not a good thing, but I find the way he sees Isabella in such a good light endearing. He really loves her a lot to be so blind towards her fault.
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    Darcy is one of tops of the list of male character that girls would want to date.

    Quote Originally Posted by kidd
    I think that's what makes Darcy the most popular Austen guy. The fact that this proud and arrogant guy willing to change himself for the better after being humbled by the girl he loved can sure melt hearts.

    What makes Darcy attractive:
    - He is willing to admit his mistake after being humbled
    - He changed for the better after knowing his faults
    - After being rejected by Elizabeth, he still helped out her family behind the scene (this show that he did those this out of genuine care and not for show).
    - He's misunderstood (he looks snobbish in the beginning, but is actually a decent guy and an upright person. Also, being introverted and quiet might be mistaken for being a snob.)

    Here's an article comparing Darcy and Henry Crawford. It clearly shows what makes Darcy ticks. http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/darcrawf.html
    Well said. I would also like to add, we can tentatively forgive him for snubbing Lizzie at the beginning because that ball happened in September. Georgiana nearly eloped with Wickham in the summer - June/July/August. Thus it's relatively a short time since the incident and you really can't blame the guy for still being upset and unwilling to have fun while his sister is probablye still heartbroken. I don't think he snubbed Lizzie *personally* as he hardly glanced at her, or looked at her properly. His comment about being in no humour to stand up with women snubbed by other men was more, IMO, an excuse than his real sentiment.

    then you can accuse me of being Darcy-biased.

    Also I blame Darcy's irritability in the beginning to being exposed to Caroline Bingley too much.

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    I bet u have the whole collection of Austen books. So, whichever title yours friends gave will only be an extra copy. It's too bad that Jane Austen died so early and left so few works. She's a great writer. I've read all her works already, even the Juvenilia.

    as a matter of fact, i have a rather large collection of various writers and yeah, i have all austen's work.... couldnt resist keeping them despite having extra copies.... coz the some covers are very colorful and nice. well, girly like girlish stuff you see...

    Anyway, back to the guys. I've read that some readers dislike Tilney because they felt that he's being patronizing towards Catherine, dictatoring how she should think and stuff. Some also think he is cruel to tease people the way he does (like the talk with the lady about muslin). Btw, I also like James Morland. It's not a good thing, but I find the way he sees Isabella in such a good light endearing. He really loves her a lot to be so blind towards her fault

    our girl got lots of imagination, and tilney likes to play big brother... well, he does have a younger sister around catherine's age... true, i am not blind to his fault but at least catherine enjoyed his nonsense over journals, muslins and housekeepings talks/dictations.... austen also has the talent of creating an impressive characters although they might be minor. i agree with you on James M. but sorry, i think i like Col F.William of PnP betta

    Well said. I would also like to add, we can tentatively forgive him for snubbing Lizzie at the beginning because that ball happened in September. Georgiana nearly eloped with Wickham in the summer - June/July/August. Thus it's relatively a short time since the incident and you really can't blame the guy for still being upset and unwilling to have fun while his sister is probablye still heartbroken. I don't think he snubbed Lizzie *personally* as he hardly glanced at her, or looked at her properly. His comment about being in no humour to stand up with women snubbed by other men was more, IMO, an excuse than his real sentiment.
    then you can accuse me of being Darcy-biased.
    Also I blame Darcy's irritability in the beginning to being exposed to Caroline Bingley too much.


    i was very when he did that. well, of course i forgave him, but i wasnt really forgiving he did it so loudly and lizzy heard him so clearly.... i understand he is upset and prideful but still, all he has to do is keep quiet if a lady is not rich, fashionable or pretty enough for him. oppps, ok i am not going to start something like the wuxia forum,

    As for Caroline B.... hmmm i think lady cat is more annoying than her.... while missy carol might be hinting on her virtues and accomplishment, at least she didnt compare herself with the whole England

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmschocolate
    Darcy is supposed to be devastatingly handsome. :swoon: though with an unfortunate name like Fitzwilliam... I mean, what do people call him? I can't imagine Elizabeth calling him by his full name. William makes me think of Mr Collins... Though i guess it's tradition and everything in those days to name the first son after the mother's maiden name. Though I cant imagine Darcy and Lizzy having a son named Bennet.
    His name is not that bad. At least, I like it. More unique. And it could have been worse. Imagine if he is Emma Woodhouse's son.

    As for what Lizzy would call him, Mrs Bennet still calls her husband Mr.Bennet after so many years of marriage. Lizzy might follow her mother's way. Or she might call him Fitz like sha*sha did.

    Btw, I think he is the only male character in Austen novels that has a surname as his first name.
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    First is Mr. Bennet (I could find only 1 fault with him - marrying Mrs Bennet - she's so annoying!!!)

    2nd is Darcy (yeah - i also cannot imagine having Fitzwilliam as a name)

    3rd is George Knightley (He's really a TRUE gentleman!!!)

    hmm.....why is there no thread on fav. Jane Austen female character?? i'll have a hard time choosing between elizabeth and emma as my first fav!
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    favourite is mr. darcy. most ideal is mr. knightley, the elder.

    i prefer "mark" to "fitzwilliam", personally. :P and is there anyone out there that didn't fall in love with colin firth's mr. darcy, really?

    for humour, i pick mr. bennet -- oh, the little comments to his wife!

    as for the scant number of novels, i'd prefer having just 6 well-written novels by jane austen than the run-of-the-mill, er, "bestseller" ones by other more prolific writers.
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    i think i'm the only person who doesn't like colin firth as darcy. and i LOVE darcy, in the book. probably, i think he's too perfect for a real person to play. plus, i don't find colin firth very attractive. he seems sorta old and timid...a little creepy in girl with a pearl earring. if i was a casting director, i'd put hugh jackman as darcy. though he even, i hate to admit, wouldn't be able to live up to my high darcy standards.

    but i think hugh grant is a perfect wickham. handsome, charming, and with a sleezy undertone.
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    I haven't seen Bridget Jones Diary, so, dunno how's Colin Firth's acting is. But from the pictures I saw of him, he certainly is not good looking enough for Darcy. But many said his acting made up for his look.

    I also think Hugh Jackman is the best choice for Darcy. When there is a question of casting for Darcy, I always thought of Hugh Jack.

    Don't think Hugh Grant is handsome.

    Btw, How many of u have read Northanger Abbey, Mansfield Park and Persuasion? Just want to know, because most of people's fave seem to come from P&P and to a lesser extend Emma.

    I'm surprised at the popularity of Mr.Bennet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f.alchemist_freak
    hmm.....why is there no thread on fav. Jane Austen female character?? i'll have a hard time choosing between elizabeth and emma as my first fav!
    so create one... anyway, for the female character would be who else but lizzy..... even austen acknowledged elizabeth as her favourite heroine....

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    i actually don't like lizzy. i don't like any of the austen heroines. i'm fascinated with their lives,i empathize with them, and i draw many parallels between their personalities, and mine, but i don't like them. i've always loved the austen guys more, especially darcy. they seem more perfect, aka 2-d. even if they have problems, they become charming perfect princes by the end. the women are flawed characters...but that's what makes them interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pemberly
    i actually don't like lizzy. i don't like any of the austen heroines. i'm fascinated with their lives,i empathize with them, and i draw many parallels between their personalities, and mine, but i don't like them. i've always loved the austen guys more, especially darcy. they seem more perfect, aka 2-d. even if they have problems, they become charming perfect princes by the end. the women are flawed characters...but that's what makes them interesting.
    I agree. I'm not a big fan of Lizzy although you have to give her props for being... her. Lol.
    I think I like Mr. Darcy the best among her male characters but I keep thinking Colin Firth and that makes me cringe.

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    I like Lizzy but hmm - how do u say it - she's really quite materialistic.....

    have anyone seen the movie Emma acted by Gwyneth Paltrow - i love that movie - Paltrow was a perfect choice for Emma. much better than Keira Knightley's Elizabeth.

    btw - dunno why u guys dun like Colin Firth - i think he's a really good actor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pemberly
    i think i'm the only person who doesn't like colin firth as darcy. and i LOVE darcy, in the book. probably, i think he's too perfect for a real person to play. plus, i don't find colin firth very attractive. he seems sorta old and timid...a little creepy in girl with a pearl earring. if i was a casting director, i'd put hugh jackman as darcy. though he even, i hate to admit, wouldn't be able to live up to my high darcy standards.

    but i think hugh grant is a perfect wickham. handsome, charming, and with a sleezy undertone.
    actually when I think of Colin Firth and Darcy I don't think of Mark Darcy in Bridget Jones, I think of A&E miniseries of Pride and Prejudice in 1995. The version is very true to the book and I think Colin Firth did a great job of Darcy in there.

    I'm not surprised at MR Bennet's popularity but then again he's an interesting character despite how flawed he is. Marrying Mrs Bennet aside, he is incredibly neglectful towards his younger daughters. But I suppose people tend to overlook that and enjoy his wits more.

    His name is not that bad. At least, I like it. More unique. And it could have been worse. Imagine if he is Emma Woodhouse's son.
    indeed. Though I dont imagine anyone would name their son Woodhouse...especially if they're of the gentry class. I mean - Wood house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmschocolate
    I'm not surprised at MR Bennet's popularity but then again he's an interesting character despite how flawed he is. Marrying Mrs Bennet aside, he is incredibly neglectful towards his younger daughters. But I suppose people tend to overlook that and enjoy his wits more.
    That's why I like Henry Tilney more them him, eventhough their characteristics are very similar. Both are intelligent, witty and sarcastic. But Tilney is more responsible.

    I think Tilney is very lucky to fall in love with Catherine Morland. By the ending of the book, Catherine has matured to become a young woman with good sense. If he has married someone like Mrs. Bennet, he might also end up like Mr.Bennet since they are so similar.
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    the other austen guys just sorta blend into one another after a while. they're all very similar, and most aren't really "fleshed out" to me. and i think colin firth only got that job as darcy in bridget jones diary bc so many ppl liked him in the miniseries. i never liked the miniseries (i thought it was miscast in many ways), therefore, to see him continue as a darcy based character killed me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pemberly
    the other austen guys just sorta blend into one another after a while. they're all very similar, and most aren't really "fleshed out" to me. and i think colin firth only got that job as darcy in bridget jones diary bc so many ppl liked him in the miniseries. i never liked the miniseries (i thought it was miscast in many ways), therefore, to see him continue as a darcy based character killed me.
    Quote Originally Posted by pemberly
    i actually don't like lizzy. i don't like any of the austen heroines. i'm fascinated with their lives,i empathize with them, and i draw many parallels between their personalities, and mine, but i don't like them. i've always loved the austen guys more, especially darcy. they seem more perfect, aka 2-d. even if they have problems, they become charming perfect princes by the end. the women are flawed characters...but that's what makes them interesting.
    what/who do you like then? I'm assuming you do like some aspect of Austen considering your screen name is pemberly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmschocolate
    what/who do you like then? I'm assuming you do like some aspect of Austen considering your screen name is pemberly...
    well, for one thing, i like jane austen's writing style. i think her use of language is beautiful, witty, descriptive, and fun to read. and i love her plot twists. the first time i read p&p, i was shocked when lydia ran away with wickham. and i love darcy. i also love the way she uses her little niches of england to show the readers caricatures of what some ppl in high society are like. it's clever, yet very accessible. i guess i mostly appreciate jane austen as a writer and her books as a whole, more than being infatuated with the characters or the stories.
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