Golden Faith - The Complete Works

[Chubby]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="80%" bgcolor="#dcdcdc" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#DCDCDC"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><font size="1">that's not what the prosecutor said. the prosecutor said maybe, even though the phone record showed the call being half an hour long, they might not have talked the whole entire time. maybe while the phone was connected, Yan Yan was really talking to the teddy bear while Ivan was committing the murder, just left the line open in order to establish the alibi. he also tried to show that Yan Yan lacked the ability to judge the location of the accused from the background noise. Her mom was only in the room for a brief second before Yan Yan kicked her out of the room and closed the door, so she could talk secrets with Ivan, and therefore the mom could not have been a valid witness.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's not the way evidence works in court. Evidence is there to support a case. Evidence is used to judge whether someone is guilty or not. It isn't there to be disproven. Otherwise all evidence could be argued against. You could say just because the knife was in your boot, that doesn't mean you are the killer. Or just because the witness said they saw such and such doesn't necessarily mean they are telling the truth. Just because the murder weapon has your prints on it, doesn't mean you are the one who killed does it? However that isn't how it works. The evidence states that you are the killer, even if you aren't. You have to find other proof that you aren't, otherwise you're gone. Evidence doesn't need to be proven totally, just presented.

That's why people get framed so easily. If you get framed, they look at evidence that isn't in your favor, and on that basic accuse you of the crime. To prove yourself innocent, you don't go on arguing against the evidence. You gotta find OTHER evidence that goes against it, because you can't always prove if the evidence is correct or not. If you can't find evidence that you are innocent, then you are guilty, even though the evidence that was against you was fake and doesn't prove you did it. There was no other evidence to go by, so they have to go by that. Making claims against evidence can help, but it isn't going to get you far, because you have nothing to base it on. Unless you can prove the evidence is fake (the lawyer could not prove YanYan's testimony was false).

That sounds confusing, but basically it's all about finding evidence. A witness' testimony is evidence. The lawyer was trying to pick on Yan Yan, but he can't prove what she was saying isn't true. It's POSSIBLE what she was saying isn't true. He was only trying to dampen her credibility (which is a valid tactic). You would need to find other evidence.

Anyway, not all parts of GF are totally realistic. Especially Boon's trunk not being locked.

[dan J]

well, like you said chubby, the lawyer was just trying to damage Yan Yan's credibility. Raise the doubt about her testimony. He never said that Yan Yan lied for his brother. He just said, Yan Yan might be confused as to what had happened, and her testimony cannot be trusted due to her mental capability.

oh by the way, I don't think what you said is true. lawyers can always raise doubts on the authenticity or credibility of the evidence or witnesses. It's up to the jury to decide for themselves, if these evidence or witnesses are indeed trustworthy. So, you can argue anything you want in court, the difference is whether the jury buys your argument. If you think someone is lying, you can say he is lying, but it's not going to convince the jury if you have nothing to support your claim. So yes, you can disapprove the evidence if you think you are right.

anyway, usually I can tolerate when a show isn't exactly accurate to real life. but when a mistake is as obvious as the unlocked trunk, I can't just ignore it no matter how much I tried. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

[ December 10, 2002: Message edited by: dan J ]

[Em]

Here you go... my final summary for this series after eventually getting round to watching the last ep! I felt it was really rushed - but was kinda glad to reach the end!!

Finale Summary (beyond the dots...)

Who shot Boon and what happened in court?

Hong did, but he was aiming for Sin Hang who was pointing a gun at Boon (unintentionally) at the time. Boon leapt in to defend him, taking the bullet in the chest and unable to handle the shock of shooting his own brother, Hong undergoes the psychological stress reaction like someone hitting him on the back of his head and collapses. Sin Hang picks up Hong's gun as he wants to take the blame for what has happened. This is how Sin Hang gets out of the "attempted murder" charge and Hong's accidental wounding of Boon is overlooked by the court because he was on duty at the time. Sin Hang is sentenced to 5 years for conspiracy to rob and kidnapping on the count that he regrets his actions and was willing to admit guilt. His uncle is sentenced to 10 years for conspiracy of armed robbery.

What happens with the Boon/Nam/Fu romance?

Boon and Nam end up together finally after a series of "Weakest Link" questioning from Nam's family. Nam and Fu have discussed their feelings and Fu has admitted that she no longer loves Boon in the same way because she knows that Boon has always only loved Nam. However, the two girls conspire to play a trick on Boon at the airport, with Fu pretending that she wants him to go to France with her. Boon doesn't fall for it and the show ends with Boon and Nam strolling on a beach in Australia about to embark on a new life together.

What about Hong and Yu?

Not much really… Hong announces that he will once again be playing the field looking for a nice girl and Yu just goes along with it. Make what you will…

Anything else of note?

Yee forgives Sin Hang and says that she will wait for his release, asking him to think of a great name for their child.
Hong accepts Sin Hang as a brother/brother-in-law and tells him to call him either “yee lo” (second brother), “hong gor” or his English name Richard.
Yan and Kai stay together with the blessing of Yan’s mum.

<IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> That's all folks!

[Coolnuker]

nice Em... it's us we should thank you for the wonderful work you did and endless time you spend on working these summary ...

thank you <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

[lily]

Yes that's right! THANK YOU SOOOOOOO MUCH EM FOR THE WORK! <IMG SRC="smilies/clap.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/clap.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/clap.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/clap.gif" border="0">:
You're <IMG SRC="smilies/thumbsup.gif" border="0"> (#1). Also an <IMG SRC="smilies/newangel.gif" border="0">

[Qevin]

ok this my question, this is where after rachel rejects hong's proposal to marry him, later she goes on a walk herself, ivan sees her but the question is how come ivan doesn't call out to rachel or get out of the car to meet her?? something behind it? just curious thanks guys

Q

[lily]

I also have a question to ask. I haven't seen the series yet but i saw a clip )episode8) when Ivan went to Australia to see Rachel. The scene where i think Rachel saw Gallen talking on the phone n the next scene they were agruing about something. I was wondering what they were saying at the time. Thanks.

[jade]

I think the ending was very funny at the airport when Rachel&Sabrina came to Ivan his face <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I like the ending only one thing too bad they didn't focus on Michelle Yip's charcter more i hoped she could end up with Deric or that they will made bigger story of her character...........

[Coolnuker]

Back to the reality ... Jessica and Gallen true couple ?

News: Gallen Lo had an accident yesterday and he ran out with his car .. he crash into 2 cars a Taxi and a private car... later on police when to his house and make the alcohol testing ... test was + ... but that day he was with a mysterious girl in the car according to the victim in the minor car accident... and now they say it's Jessica that was the mysterious girl in the car, it cant be his wife... if it was he would not ran off... after filming Golden Faith Jess and Gallen problably had fall in love for real ?!?!? story to be continued...

[ac_starz86]

it couldn't have been Jess in the car as she was on her way to China at that time.

[AznAbercrombie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="80%" bgcolor="#dcdcdc" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#DCDCDC"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><font size="1">Originally posted by lily:
<STRONG>I also have a question to ask. I haven't seen the series yet but i saw a clip )episode8) when Ivan went to Australia to see Rachel. The scene where i think Rachel saw Gallen talking on the phone n the next scene they were agruing about something. I was wondering what they were saying at the time. Thanks.</STRONG></font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

she overheard boon say he was going back to HK in a few days, that pissed her off.

[ice_cream]

i just realised that a lot of the eng songs are played in other series' too.....i remember the music...i was watching it today...and i realised i heard it somewhere else....but forgot where...it was prob somewhere this yr....modern series.....

[dan J]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="80%" bgcolor="#dcdcdc" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#DCDCDC"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><font size="1">Originally posted by Coolnuker:
<STRONG>Back to the reality ... Jessica and Gallen true couple ?

News: Gallen Lo had an accident yesterday and he ran out with his car .. he crash into 2 cars a Taxi and a private car... later on police when to his house and make the alcohol testing ... test was + ... but that day he was with a mysterious girl in the car according to the victim in the minor car accident... and now they say it's Jessica that was the mysterious girl in the car, it cant be his wife... if it was he would not ran off... after filming Golden Faith Jess and Gallen problably had fall in love for real ?!?!? story to be continued...</STRONG></font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>


There are also rumor reports Charmaine was the girl in the car. Of course Charmaine denied it saying that she was working late, then went straight home afterward because the she had to start filming next day very early. I guess they couldn't place Jess at the scene so they had to drag someone in on this. What I don't understand is why did Gallen run? Seems pretty dumb since his car is there, but I guess he's drunk and probably scared at the time, he couldn't think straight. At least he admits to the accident, and he's out on a 5k bail.

[Charmaine Chin]

I love this series! Totally great! I feel so bad for Deric <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">

[Coolnuker]

the time of the accident was 4am... my gosh really wonder what they did together?? hehe
poor gallen so many problem lately dealing with those rumors, divorce problem, working hard so... many stress I know y he has to drink beer that night... but it got him into trouble ...

[jade]

So Gallen&Jessica got many rumours after this serie do you guys think its real???

[lily]

NAH! Jess wouldn't be the 3rd party <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

But to tell u the truth, truth, i think there is a possiblity. I know I would <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> I mean how could u resist Gallen. At his age, I think he still looks pretty HOT!

Below is part of articles that Louis gave an opinion about this rumor:

1. Two days ago, one of Louis¡¦ good friend, Gallen Lo was arrested for a hit and run accident. When asked if he had contacted Gallen, Louis indicated that he have not but will probably try to do so privately. Louis
felt that its best not to make any comments as it might worsen the matter. As for the rumors that Jessica Hsuan was the mysterious female companion, Louis said that he never believed this rumors all this while.

2. As for the recent news of hit-n-run of his good friend Gallen Lo (reported as drink-driving), Louis said: ¡§Gallen is my good friend, I will not comment on whether this is right or wrong but I have talk with him privately. We should not make too many comments, which will inadvertently blow up the whole issue. (there were rumors that Jessica Hsuan was in the car?) I don¡¦t believe this and have never believed in this rumors of them being together as a couple.
¡¨ The reporter teased him and asked if it were true that Jessica and him (Louis) was an item? Exasperated, Louis answered with a smile: ¡§Since when there is this rumors?¡¨

3. ... On the other hand, Louis Koo has also stood up for Jessica once again. When asked about Gallen's car accident and the mysterious girl, Louis said that he had never believed it was Jessica right from the beginning because she seldom drinks(alcolhol). He also didn't believe in the rumour between Gallen and Jessica all these time

[ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: lily ]

[jade]

but is Gallen already divorce from his wife

[Coolnuker]

according to me NO... y ? if they did it right now... Gallen has to GIVE $$$$$ to his wife and pay her a certain amount of money each month I think... but media havent mention any of these yet... they been only SCREAMING for divorce for like several weeks now... never did for real...it's a matter of time... they will divorce for sure... but dont know when ?!?!?! weird... this divorce thing has been already mention for a longgggg time...

[ice_cream]

was gallen's "divorce" thing after he golden faith??
what's their problem? third party??