Huang Yaoshi, Mei Chaofeng, Yang Guo

[Ren Wo Xing]

I was just thinking about the 3rd edition changes, and something came to mind. With the change to LOCH so that HYS was in love with MCF, do you think this would probably explain why he so adamantly supported Yang Guo's bid to try and marry Xiao Long Nu? In a sense, supporting Yang Guo in doing something he himself didn't have the courage/take the chance to do, in his youth, except in reverse; a pupil/master relationship.

[Yang Ming]

I was just thinking about the 3rd edition changes, and something came to mind. With the change to LOCH so that HYS was in love with MCF, do you think this would probably explain why he so adamantly supported Yang Guo's bid to try and marry Xiao Long Nu? In a sense, supporting Yang Guo in doing something he himself didn't have the courage/take the chance to do, in his youth, except in reverse; a pupil/master relationship.

That's hilarious man, Huang Yao Shi was in love with Mei Chao Feng?

[Tazzy1972]

who knows wat goes on in his mind? he is too unpredictable

[ToOn99]

That's hilarious man, Huang Yao Shi was in love with Mei Chao Feng?

It's true based on 3rd edition of ROCH.

[rabadi]

I'd rather he did not have a crush on MCF, but Jin Yong may have his own reason to add this

[kidd]

That's hilarious man, Huang Yao Shi was in love with Mei Chao Feng?

who knows wat goes on in his mind? he is too unpredictable

Mei Chou Feng is supposed to be real hot in the 3rd edition.

[Yang Ming]

It's true based on 3rd edition of ROCH.

That lows him down so much man, maybe Jin Yong added this because there must be some reason forcing Mei Chao Feng and her fiance' fleed from their master and Huang Yao Shi most of his students' legs
Can you quote me those passages?

[Athena]

That lows him down so much man, maybe Jin Yong added this because there must be some reason forcing Mei Chao Feng and her fiance' fleed from their master and Huang Yao Shi most of his students' legs
Can you quote me those passages?

Mei Chaofeng used to be a maid (after her parents died her uncle was unable to raise her, because her uncle was poor. So the uncle sold her to the rich Jiang family). Anyway at the age of 12 she was quite a beauty and the squire of the Jiang residence was quite impressed by her. Anyway one day while Mei Chaofeng was washing clothes the old Jiang man came up to her and wanted to touch her breast. She pushed him away because there was soap on her hands Jiang's beard were soapy and she giggled when she saw that. Mrs. Jiang (a shrew) thought she was seducing her husband and hit, scold her etc. Even wanting to poke out her eyes. At that point Huang Yaoshi came by and taught that woman a lesson and bought Mei Chaofeng free.
Thus she became his third disciple.
Huang Yaoshi's head disciple was Qu Lingfeng who was about 30 years old and a widower. Sha Gu was already born. Being the head disciple he would often left in charge to teach his younger martial arts brothers and sisters literary and martial arts.
As Mei Chaofeng grew up and became a fair young lady, Huang Yaoshi, Qu Lingfeng and Chen Xuanfeng became quite taken by her beauty. Qu Lingfeng surpressed his feelings because his wife died and he did not want to think about love anymore. Besides he knew that Huang Yaoshi was secretly in love with Mei Chaofeng, Huang was frustrated and sad for having such feelings. (There is certain poem written by Song statesman Ouyang Xiu that referred to his affection to Mei).
When Chen Xuanfeng had an affair with Mei Chaofeng and was discovered by Qu Lingfeng, both fought and Chen was defeated. Qu Lingfeng was angry because he felt that Chen Xuanfeng and Mei Chaofeng betrayed their teacher. (Mei once vowed that she will always stay at the side of her teacher no matter what). When Huang Yaoshi found out the reason for the fight between Qu and Chen, he was furious with Qu and broke his legs and disowned him. Reason because now his feelings for Mei were more or less exposed and he felt humiliated and blamed Qu Lingfeng. He and little Sha Gu were sent away.
From then onwards Chen Xuanfeng and Mei Chaofeng were ignored by Huang Yaoshi, he did not teach them anything anymore.
At a certain point Huang Yaoshi left the Peach Blossom Isle and came back months later with his new wife. (Huang Rong's mother) His new wife was even a few months younger than Mei.
Once at a certain Chinese festival, Huang Yaoshi drank a few more cups of wine and muttered:"Who dares to say that old East Heretic is in love with his female pupil! Lingfeng was spouting nonsense! Where is he now, I forgive him. Tell him to come back!"
When Chen Xuanfeng heard this, he and Mei Chaofeng decided to leave Peach Blossom Isle and decided to steal the second manual of Jiuyin Zhenjing.
Chen was very much afraid that Qu Lingfeng would come back.
Chen Xuanfeng and Mei Chaofeng stole second manual and decided to study it, (the family Jiang were their first victims of their cruel methods of training-----> rich family that bought Mei). In order to strengthen themselves they also learnt skills like Iron Cloth, Golden Bell. (This is now directly said by them, second edition only hinted to this).
When Chen and Mei left, Huang Yaoshi was feeling depressed and frustrated. When Lu Chengfeng and Wu Gangfeng advised their teacher not to be so depressed anymore they were not cautious in their choice of words, in his anger he broke their legs and disowned. Fong Maifeng felt it was unfair and spoke out and Huang was furious and broke one of his leg too and disowned him as well.
Huang Yaoshi's grandfather was a government official during the Song Gaozong reign, this grandfather of his petitioned several times that Yue Fei was innocent. In the end he was demoted, but continued to fight for Yue Fei's innocence calling up the people to stand together and defend Yue Fei. Finally was captured and beheaded for stirring up the public, his family was banned to Yunnan. It was there that Huang Yaoshi grew up.
He learnt both literary and martial arts, not sure who taught him martial arts but he studied literature under his father. As he grew up he felt that his family was wronged and often could argue with his father about so-called loving and protecting one's emperor etc. Against his father's wishes he did not participate in the provincial examinations, and in the end (how very ironic) his father disowned Huang Yaoshi. Starting from then he roamed the realm and wrote rebellious poems, texts on the walls of all government institutions. The government sent out people to track him down, but in vain.
He was called the Heretic Hero by the common people, later on it became East Heretic.
In conclusion, I like the changes brought on by Jin Yong in the third version. The parts about Huang Yaoshi and Mei Chaofeng were not so strange after all, it is quite natural even. You have to read yourself to experience it.

[bliss]

hmm these changes seem to make Huang Yaoshi all the more human

[Candide]

I like these changes. Thanks Athena for the info, although I read it once from you, it's still nice to read it again One question: did JY solve the age conflicts in the previous editions ? For instance, how old did he say HYS was then ? Did he do anything about HR being a couple years older than GJ in the 2nd ed ?

[Yang Ming]

Thank you very much, Athena! Can you give me some English link too?

[ToOn99]

There's no english link actually, there was athena's contribution to SPCnet forum to give us some insight about the parts that JY's revised in 3rd edition. If u do some digging u might get the thread.

[Tazzy1972]

wat was the story like in the 2nd and 1st edition??

[qiaofeng]

moral of the story, when u see a real pretty girl like mei chaofeng n xiaolongnu, dont take them as ur disiple/teacher, instead take them as ur wife, it'll save u lots of trouble

[KJ]

moral of the story, when u see a real pretty girl like mei chaofeng n xiaolongnu, dont take them as ur disiple/teacher, instead take them as ur wife, it'll save u lots of trouble

Haha, that's a good one. Although when MCF was taken in as his disciple, she was what, 12? That's a little too young there, even in those times.

[bliss]

Haha, that's a good one. Although when MCF was taken in as his disciple, she was what, 12? That's a little too young there, even in those times.

i think Li Quishui's sister whom Wuyazi fell in love with was around 12 as well at the time, give or take one or two years.

[Ken Cheng]

Haha, that's a good one. Although when MCF was taken in as his disciple, she was what, 12? That's a little too young there, even in those times.

Not really. The concept that human beings are only sexually and socially mature at age 18 (which is very arbitrary when you get right down to it) is a very modern concept. Pre-modern humans began reproducing more or less as soon as they were biologically capable of doing so.

[rabadi]

How old was YBH (Yang Xiao's daughter) when YLT (6th Wudang Student) married her in HSDS?

[TaiHan]

Thank you very much, Athena! Can you give me some English link too?

here is the old thread

http://www.spcnet.tv/forums/showthre...6&page=1&pp=20

it has abit more info on the changes in the 3rd, but Athena already posted the majority here.

[Tazzy1972]

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