Grand Unified Theory Of Wuxia Fiction

[munenori]

I find your use of physics to help explain inner energy or qi quite suspect. Do you have any technical papers or publications to back up your statements? It's too iffy iffy hocus pocus.

IMO, discusions of modern physics and qi should not mix.

Also, how did you apply the martial art styles (the section with the bagua trigrams) to your equations? Does a person's style affect his probability of winning?

Anyway, great effort to systemize wuxia battles using equations.

[the.raven]

thats some nice BS you came up with.

[yittz]

When is IcyFox out of his country's service? And Excelsior for that matter?

[JamesG]

When is IcyFox out of his country's service? And Excelsior for that matter?

Icy is out. It seems like yesterday that he started this thread. My how time flies.

[Linghu]

Thanks to IcyFox for your useful system and useful informations. I had some questions and opinions regarding your theory, but noticed that this thread is abandond times ago. Dout if I can discuss my opinions in this thread or not.
thanks

[IcyFox]

Well, there were several problems trying to apply this system to the novels' martial arts. To summarize,

1. The authors themselves are not necessarily consistent in describing the martial arts.

2. Wuxia novels are not meant to be scientific. Hence there's no way to find out if it's correct or wrong.

Hence I thought it's kind of pointless to continue the theory, or any novel-based martial arts discussion, for that matter.


To all who posted in this thread or sent in email enquiries, thanks for your interest.

[Linghu]

Reply to yittz's comments:

OK, this is VERY important. What other parameters are there?

Hi dear IcyFox. Thanks for your reply.
I think there is some internal and external factors that efect the result of a fight, such as: Techniques, Style, Speed, Accuracy, Power (Internal Power and External Power), Qinggong, Intelligence Quotient (IQ), Emotions, Philoshophy (Emotions are different from philosophy since philosophy is regard to theories and thoughts and belongs to mind, but emotions belong to heart), Morale or Spirit, Being Uprigh or Mean (Mean people resort to every despecable means for winning), Intent (if one exponant did not intend to kill his exponant but the other intend to kill him, the former have more chance of losing even if would has better martial arts), Fatague or Freshness, Concentration of mind, Health (include perferctness of the body or handicap and lacking of some sense or member), Age, Weight, Height, Environment (land, see, river, mountain …), Weather, Sort of weapon, Sometimes sort of clothes (Impenetrable ones), Use of poison, schemes, intrigues, and traps and some others. JY in SPW, Ch. 10 says through FCY narrating: “They didn’t know, however, that the most devastating move in the world is not inside Kung Fu, but in setting up schemes, intrigues, and traps. If one falls into someone’s clever trap, regardless of how brilliant his Kung Fu moves are, it would still be completely useless….”
Some of these factors are Internal and some are External. Some are significant and some are insignificant. Even we omit external factors and also insignificant ones, I dout we can merge all of the reminders in 4 factors. Moreover the different styles of martial arts - both in real life and in fictions- have different emphases on main factors espicially techniques, speed and internal Power.

[Linghu]

As there is a limit to the maximum internal power an exponent can train, mastering all the skills in the list would still put an exponent at Level 10. The difference would be contained within the level itself.
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Therefore the numbers we put in the program are not the same; if we put the numbers of two exponants: 10, 10, 12, 6, for example, the program will rank the two as equel but the the number 10 or 12 of one exponant is not the same as the number 10 or 12 of another.

[Linghu]

At this stage the Dark Side seems superior to the Light Side.
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I think it is obvious in martial arts that dark side emotions influence in reducing internal energy.
Also virtuous and mean emotins and states of human – or as you said Light side and Dark side - is much more than what is numbered here and if I have time later, will number some of them.

[Linghu]

Levels 4 to 5 comprise of love as love is not an elemental emotion. Love is a compound made up of fear, happiness, sadness (bitterness), hatred and something else which cannot be described. This mysterious element is unique to love only.
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Islamic philoshophers believe that LOVE stems from human nature of perfectionism. Love is a state that comes into existence in a sensitive being for somebody or somesing that has proportion to his/her/its needs and desires due to its perfection. Love is some sort of attraction and fascination towards a perfect being and there is the element of knowlage in it. This fascination is so strong that we are ready to sacrifice all we have included our life and respect for him/her/its.

Our love for beauty also is love for perfection because beauty is some sort of perfection. So who or what a person loves depends on what he/she regards as perfect or beautiful. Whatever the knowlage of one is vaster and whatever one is more righteous, the one he/she loves him/her/its will be more perferct.

Therefore depending on the existential ranks of people, love is divided to sensory, imaginary and rational love and depending on the existential aspects of people is divided to natural, sensual, spiritual, rational and divine love.

If it becomes known that the one we love is not the perfect one we thought, our love gradually will begin to decline and maybe completely perished and we would seek the perfect one again.

Since we Moslems believe only God is the ultimate perferct being, we believe only our love for God is the real love and only God is the real loveble being and the people who love someone or something other than God, actually love God, only that they mistakenly regard what is not really perfect as perfect.

Therefore love is not a compound made up of other emotions. Love is a simple emotion of fascination or extreme liking, only that love may be followed by other emotions like sadness, happyness, anxiety, jealousy… since we will be sad or happy if our lover became sad or happy; we will be anxous if our lover would be in danger; we may become jealous if our lover love another and ets.

[Linghu]

Level 3 - Calmness
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Level 6 – Awareness
Level 7 – Appreciation
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Again we Muslims believe otherwise here; Calmness is after awareness and appreciation in rank.

Calmness is the ultimate state that the human can reach. The human continuously seeks Perfectness and will not calm unless he/she would reach the ultimate Perfect.

When the human reach the ultimate perfectness, he/she will has no more needs and will wants anything else since he/she has found all he/she wanted; he/she has found his/her real lover and.

At this time his/her heart become calm because he/she wants nothing else and the ultimate perfect being is only God that has every kinds of perfectness that can be conceived.

Full awreness, full appriciation and full calmness, all will be come after reaching the ultimate perfectness, but calmness is after awareness and appriciation of the ultimate perfectness.

I think the teaching of "The Union of Atman and Brahman" in Hinduism and the teaching of "Nirvana" in Hinduism and Budism are somehow like what I said here.

[Linghu]

The Ultimate Level - Peace

Any exponent who masters this stage (if ever) would probably be able to exert an aura of peace so strong that all his opponents around him will lose their will to fight and cease any violent movements voluntarily. The opponents will be overwhelmed by the aura of peace and grasp the true meaning of martial arts. Any exponent who reaches this level will defeat all his opponents through peace and not violence.


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I think Firthtly Peace is a social conception not an individual conception and secondly permanent peace will be reach through widespread justice.

So long as there is oppression and injustice in the world, the permenent peace is inaccessible.

Making peace with oppressors befor getting back our rights is equel with surrender and is wrong. When the enemy assault our country, if we make peace with them befor expelling them, this will not differ than surrendering to the enemy.

Even we exert the aura of peace that ehe enemy would not fight with us, they would after all fight with our countrymen and slaughter them. Under such circumstances, it is wrong to be merciful and peaceful and allow the enemy to slaughter our people.

I think the ultimate philosophy of martial arts is upholding justice and accessing peace through upholding justice.