ROCH chapter corrections

[JamesG]

[b]
What is a "dhuta" [頭陀]?
A "Tou Tuo" or Dhuta in Sanskrit is a monk who wants to pursue nirvana by cleansing himself of the trials in life.
They have 12 principles which helps them in this process:
1. Wearing cast-off rags
2. Wearing three simple garments
3. Eat only begged food
4. Only have two meals a day (breakfast and lunch)
5. No other food allowed between and after these meals
6. Eat small portions of food
7. Live like a hermit
8. Dwell amongst desolate places, tombs, (small) monasteries, etc.
9. Rest under trees and not in houses
10. Spend most of the time in open sky, meditating, etc.
11. Meditate wherever possible
12. Always sit (even when resting), lying down is not allowed.

"Tou Tuo" is a phonetical translation of Dhuta which means shaking off, cleansing in Sanskrit.

Definitely not the life for me!!
Thanks Athena.

[Bangs]

Definitely not the life for me!!
Thanks Athena.

Definitely not a lifestyle any of us would pursue.

[JamesG]

Definitely not a lifestyle any of us would pursue.

No Saffron-colored robes and shaved head for you Bangs?

[Bangs]

No Saffron-colored robes and shaved head for you Bangs?

Colored Robes+shaved head=OK!

Exactly 2 meals a day+always meditating+no lying down=NO WAY!

[JamesG]

Colored Robes+shaved head=OK!

Exactly 2 meals a day+always meditating+no lying down=NO WAY!

Gad! Bangs is a poet!!

[Bangs]

Chapter 36:

Guo Jing was happy to see the group’s boldness even though he was aware of the strength of Mongolian army for a long time;
of the

His hair was silvery-white, but his body still erect and his movement’s fluid.
movements

leaders like the late Chief Lu, who was loved by all of us.
Leaders

The Seniors, like clan or sect leaders, and those who had a high reputations in the Jianghu world, obviously did not want to fight over the Chief position.
reputation

Tong Dahai was half disgusted half furious.
and half

“If he made a promise to Father, he would not fail to keep his word. But to me, I am only the ‘Young Eastern Heretic’’’ (Xiao Dong Xia) Guo Xiang. What am I worth in his eyes? Only a young girl! It’s very possible that when he remembered his promise, he would only laugh and said: Ah! Don’t bother!”
Heretic’

“I will bring her here,” she answered. “That child is little weird.”
is a

Huang Rong was startled. She had thought that the third wish must’ve have something to do with Yang Guo, but hearing his name, she was still startled. “… that he might meet his wife, Xiao Longnu, a lot sooner, and let them live happily for ever,” finished Guo Xiang.
forever

As soon was the archers were in formation, a big man appeared.
as

“Brother Shi,” Huang Rong addressed Shi Bowei, “It turns out the Mongolian troops at Xinye and Zhenqiu were destroyed by hero … Eagle Hero’s troop. Is that right?”
Dengzhuo

Guo Jing had been so busy defending Xiangyang and training his troops for dozens of years that he had not roamed Jianghu. Therefore, he was not aware that the Eagle Hero was none other than his Yang Guo.
Yang Guo *'his Yang Guo' would imply that YG is his son.

Madam Guo immediately instructed the Beggar Clan to prepare some additional bamboo mats for Shi Brothers and the Xishan Ghosts.
for the

“That is the second present from the Eagle Hero to Miss Guo;” came the answer. “We set the two-hundred-thousands strong Mongolian army’s logistics on fire.”
two-hundred-thousand

The Mongolians rely heavily on their cavalry; therefore, food and hay were indispensable to the troop movements.
troop’s

Guo Jing had tried on several occasions to send special commando teams to destroy it, but they never succeed in doing so, since the city was heavily guarded.
*Let us change this to suit the current time setting of the novel, Commando units doesn't exist yet at least they weren't referred that way. Unless if JY really put it in the novel himself.
succeeded

Unexpectedly Yang Guo had succeeded in putting that city to the fire!
on

Guo Jing gazed to the north, looking at the fire anxiety began creeping into his heart, “Will they be able to retreat without any harm? Shall we join them and render any help we can?” Guo Jing asked Fan Yiweng.
north looking at the fire,

Fan Yiweng explained further, “Our spies reported that the Mongolians planned to attack Xiangyang with fire power; they have approximately ten thousands ‘jin’s [a ‘jin’ is approximately 0.5kg or 1lb] of gunpowder in store in Nanyang. We just followed their lead. We made thorough preparations. As soon as the team saw our fireworks signal, we moved together. According to our plan, first we destroy the explosives, and then set the supply of food and hay on fire. Let the Mongolian troops and their horses’ die of hunger!”
thousand
horses

Shi Bowei and Fan Yiweng both said, “The Xiao ren [little/ lowly people] are only following the Eagle Hero’s instructions; our contribution is so minuscule, how can it worth mentioning?”
it be

Of course she was happy with the decimation of two thousands Mongolian front line companies and the annihilation of Nanyang’s provision and explosive storage facilities, but she didn’t get to be the center of attention.
thousand *'Thousands' is usually used if there is no exact number before it because the word 'thousand' by itself can be singular and plural.

Listening to someone offended her husband, Guo Fu was enraged.
offend

While nobody could see anything, they heard both Yelu Qi and He Shiwo’s surprised shouts, and then they somebody thrown down from the stage.
they heard

In the dark He Shiwo eluded the attack to his face by turning his head and had no choice but to let go his weapon.
go of

The four people holding the sack gave a strong tug and the sack was ripped into four pieces. A bald headed monk rolled out the sack.
out of





Chapter 36 done!

[Bangs]

Gad! Bangs is a poet!!

LOL! Hell no!

Were almost done, can't wait to read LOCH....

[JamesG]

LOL! Hell no!

Were almost done, can't wait to read LOCH....

Want to tackle LOCH with me? The earlier translated chapters will take a major effort [and a lot of time for me] to clean up to the stage where your talents and patience will be needed. It could take me a week or more to do some of the chapters. It'll be a lot less of a 'marathon' for you than ROCH has been.

I'll put up chapter 37 now.

[Athena]

1. This bald man was Sha Tongtian, the second man was his martial brother the Three Headed Mosquito Hou Tonghai, the third man was the Thousand Hand Killer Peng Lianhu, the fourth was the Big Handprint 2.Monk Ling Zi.

ad 1. In chapter 37, I saw this Three Headed Mosquito Hou Tong Hai. This should be Three Headed Serpent, because it is [三頭蛟侯通海]. In some edition 2 Internet copies, there was a typo and turned his nickname into mosquito. The poor man, lost his ears, lost an arm, he was also crippled and blinded now he is suffering from rheumatism. On top of that his rather cool nickname is turned into mosquito.

ad 2. Monk should be turned into Lama.

[JamesG]

Thanks yet again Athena. Couldn't do it without you.

[Bangs]

Want to tackle LOCH with me? The earlier translated chapters will take a major effort [and a lot of time for me] to clean up to the stage where your talents and patience will be needed. It could take me a week or more to do some of the chapters. It'll be a lot less of a 'marathon' for you than ROCH has been.

I'll put up chapter 37 now.

I can help you with LOCH, this is the reason why I didn't dare to read ahead and saved up my time for proofreading. I'll read chapter 37 soon, I'm speeding up coz I like this part the best.

[Bangs]

Chapter 37:

The man laughed and told Guo Xiang, “Miss Guo, this monk can do magic tricks, the Eagle Hero told me to conjure a few tricks for you. Guo Xiang was happy and clapped her hands, saying, “Oh OK, I was starting to wonder why Big Brother spent such a great effort to bring the monk here.”
you.”

The Beggar Clan members saw this monk was so fierce and his face full of hatred so they quickly rushed forward. Elder Liang said, “Big Monk, don’t cause any trouble here. He’s the future Beggar Clan leader. But Da’erba ignored him and kept on spinning his rod, causing golden flashes and gusts of wind together with heavy crashing sounds.
leader.”

However the eight experts, Shi brothers and Xishan Ghosts surrounded the stage and prevented anyone from gaining the stage.
entering

Huang Rong said, “It’s precisely because he recognizes him that they’re fighting. That year at Chongyang Palace, Yang Guo used his sword to pin down Da’erba and Hou Du but Hou Du didn’t want to risk his life so he deserted Da’erba. His master had run away. This incident was witnessed by the whole the Quanzhen Sect; you must have heard of that too.”
Quanzhen Sect

Zhu Ziliu laughed, “But with you around Madam Guo, he can hide anything from us.”
'he can hide nothing' or 'he can’t hide anything'

Huang Rong had something urgent to tell her Father but because there were too many people around it was not convenient to speak. Who would have thought he would suddenly leave, she was shocked and quickly gave chase?
chase.

For the past decade, Fawang had been training his “Dragon/Elephant Moving Skill” (Long Xiang Ban Lao Gong) and he had reached and unprecedented level in this fearsome skill.
an

Guo Xiang was stunned and furious and immediately knew this monk was a evil man but she did not want to dessert Fan Yiweng and escape alone.
an evil man
desert

When he saw that Xiaoxiang Zi looking angry, he loudly said: “Brother Xiaoxiang, wait! If there is a rogue disturbing our mood let me deal with him." He walked over and tried to use his big hand to toss Yang Guo of the first floor window.
Xiaoxiang Zi
off

Huang Yaoshi was holding a cup and sighed:” The ancients were drinking wine while reading the Han History Analects; today I am drinking wine and beholding your martial arts. This kind of lofty skill has surpassed the ancients."
"The

He looked round the temple and hoped he could find any traces his father had left behind although so many years had passed.
around

However, as three of them were blind, they had to rely on Sha Tongtian to lead the way but they were afraid that he would dessert them, so they chained themselves up in this manner.
desert

Peng Lianhu said, “Old man Ke is more or less correct, but Hero Yang’s father treated us with courtesy and his was really… really outstanding and talented.”
he



Chapter 37 done!!

[JamesG]

While you're on a roll..I'll put up chapter 38

[JAJA9]

great work. Really appreicate the translation work. Thought I will help out and do my little share and here is what I got

The monk’s shoulder hit ( deletehis on) the ground but he stood up immediately, thus showing that he is (delete appearing to be) very agile. His face was red with fury and he shouted some unintelligible words (delete that seemed). Guo Jing and Huang Rong knew he was (Da’erba, the second disciple to) Golden Wheel Monk’s (Jinlun Fawang) (delete second disciple Da’erba) but they (add) (delete and) did not know how Master Tan Hua and Old Master Zhao captured him.

(paragraph 3) The man, Qingling Zi (Green Spirit Sage), said a few more words in Tibetan to him and handed Da’erba his weapon, the golden rod, which was taken away when he was captured by the eight experts.

(Paragraph 6)
Several Beggar Clan members could not control themselves and jumped towards the stage, attempting to stop the fight. However the eight experts, Shi brothers and Xishan Ghosts surrounded the stage and prevented anyone from gaining the stage. Although the Beggar Clan had many people, they were held back and could not get onto the stage. Amidst the confusion Qingling Zi turned around and went up the stage and (delete pulled away) (took) He Shiwo’s metal staff (from him). He Shiwo was shocked and tried to snatch it back but was blocked by Da’erba’s rod and could not advance a single step.

( paragraph 7)
Guo Jing and Huang Rong could not guess why Yang Guo sent these people here to create trouble, but since the first two presents he gave Guo Xiang were beneficial to Xiangyang, (delete so) they guessed this third present (similarly) should not mean any harm. So the Guo couple (just) stood by and watched silently.

[paragraph 18)
Guo Xiang thought about what her mother (had) just said and (replied) (delete said), “Ah, his ugly face is actually a disguise made of flour. This face is really repulsive, after glancing once I don’t want to see it anymore.”

paragraph 26
Huang Rong said, “It’s precisely because he recognizes him that they’re fighting. That year at Chongyang Palace, Yang Guo used his sword to pin down Da’erba and Hou Du but Hou Du didn’t want to risk his life so he deserted Da’erba. His master had run (ran) away. This incident was witnessed by the whole the Quanzhen Sect; you must have heard of that too.”

Paragaraph 27
Zhu Ziliu laughed, “But with you around Madam Guo, he can (not) hide anything from us.”

pargraph 32
Then two ‘peng’ sounds were heard and two projectiles flew through the air side by side and pierced Hou Du’s chest. The projectiles were small and seemed like pebbles but the force (behind them) was mighty. Hou Du leaned back and collapsed backwards, throwing up a pool of blood. He was dead.


Guo Xiang saw that (looked at his piercing eyes and shuddered ) (dlete his eyes were piercing) and she shuddered), (but she thought of Reverend Yideng who she met at the Black Dragon Marsh) (dlete she met Reverend Yideng), so she (reasoned) (dlete thought), “Reverend Yideng is kind and benevolent, so this monk should also be a good person.” She answered, “I’m named Guo, and I’m looking for someone.”

Fawang was clever and alert, so how could he miss Guo Xiang’s change in expression? He sighed, “He’s my savior, we’ve not met for more than twenty years, and then I heard a rumour that he had passed away. I’m very sad, so I came here to pay my respects. Ah, heaven must be blind to make a hero’s life (delete is) so short.” When he said this, tears started to fall. His internal strength is very strong and he can control his entire body’s functions, so he could cry at will.


However Guo Xiang was persistent in asking about Yang Guo, so as he was leaving (delete so) she stopped him as he mounted the horse.


Guo Xiang said, “I told you about my father yet you did not (delete never told) tell me anything about Yang Guo. So where is he?”

Fawang flipped his sleeves and followed behind. Guo Xiang thought about what he said so she took the reins and said, “Big monk, I’ll be waiting for you out front.” Before she finished speaking, the horse started galloping and charged forward (dlete s).

He looked round the temple and hoped he could find any traces his father had left behind although so many years had passed. He went to the back of the temple and found a grave and a tombstone between two large trees and the tombstone was covered in snow. He (delete waved) (brushed) the snow away with his sleeve and read the inscription. When he read it he became very angry. It read, “Unfilial Disciple Yang Kang’s Grave” and the sub-heading read, “Inscribed by his Useless Teacher Qiu Chuji”.

Ke Zhen’E smashed his walking staff on the floor and said angrily, “That Yang Kang acknowledged a scoundrel as his father and betrayed his country for wealth; he was a despicable animal. I, Ke Zhen’E, am a true man who has never let down the sky or the Earth, how can you compare that traitor with me, the Flying Bat? You know (you can kill me but you cannot insult me) I can be killed but not be insulted (Ke Sha Bu Ke Ru – A rather common phrase at that time)?”

[JamesG]

Bangs is the official proof-reader for this corrections thread and I'll let him comment on your post. Athena is one of THE expert on Jin Yong's books and her comments and corrections are always welcome. Thanks for your interest JAJA9.

[Bangs]

There is nothing wrong with JAJA9's corrections, he simplified the sentence constructions. Though if we do this with every sentence of each chapter then we MIGHT actually be changing the translation style of each respective translator and we don't want that to happen. Still I encourage JAJA9 to please point out if he finds out anything amiss while reading the thread whether it be something we are yet to tackle or something we may have missed or something I found which is questionable. Everyone's welcome to share their ideas, that will help James greatly and make the necessary editing to complete ROCH.

Im just one person afterall, I dare not claim that my abilities are full proof.

[JamesG]

I've finished the update to chapter 37 and completed chapter 40's
name fixes and other things. In a moment of weakness I revisited Athena's 3rd edition changes and ended up going back to some chapters to revise the unfairly reviled Lu Wende to his weak-kneed brother Lu Wenhuan. Had another assist from Athena who found a problem with one paragraph in chapter 40 and spent much research time coming up with a correction. Maybe she's a reincarnation of Guan Yin, the Goddess of Compassion.

[Bangs]

Chapter 38:

The path was turning in front of her, when, out of the blue, she heard somebody loudly snoring very loudly like the rumble of thunder.
snoring very loudly

Even though Fawang’s skill was high, he had not expected Guo Xiang would launch sneak attack like that.
a sneak

He let his accupoints be sealed and even let Guo Xiang placed big stones on his body.
place

Fawang laughed. “How could learning my skills makes you a nun?” he said, “You have sealed my accupoints, I unsealed them myself. You put stones on me, those stones flew up. You have run away riding a horse, but I could sleep in front of your horse! Don’t you think all those skills are worth learning?”
make

Fawang had determined to take Guo Xiang as his disciple; he wanted her to inherit all his skills.
was

He lifted his head, laughing heartily and start running toward Huang Rong.
started

“If you are talking about martial arts, I have always admired you since I was a child,” she said. [Zhou Botong was held captive on Peach Blossom Island when Huang Rong was a baby,– see LOCH] “I admit inferiority. Why did you even mention it? I wonder what new and wonderful stances have you invented these past few years?”
you have

He has invented the ‘Melancholy Sad Palms' [An Ran Xiao Hun Zhang], which put me to shame.
*Wasn't it called 'Melancholic'?

very time a breeze came, or a flower or a leave fell down, his heart jumped.
leaf

He would leap up and looked everywhere.
look

He said in his heart, “He thought a ten-year separation was boundless, I have been parted with Long’er for sixteen year. He still had his lonely grave, he knew where his beloved wife’s bones were buried; yet I don’t even know where my wife’s bones are buried.”
years

Suddenly he jumped up and ran toward the Broken Heart Cliff. He stood in front of the carved letters, and loudly shouted, “Sixteen years later, meet at this place, the love between husband and wife is profoundly deep, never fail this promise.’ Xiao Longnu! Xiao Lung Nu! This is your own handwriting. Why didn’t you keep your promise?”
Xiao Longnu

He had determined to take the girl as his disciple, his successor; therefore, he tended to every single one of her needs.
was

Fawang was confounded; he didn’t know whether to laugh or to cry
cry.

They were startled by a distance cry, “Why didn’t you keep your promise?” That was Yang Guo’s cry of anguish, anger, desperation, and suffering.
distant

He saw something amiss; he exerted his energy to his feet and flew like and arrow toward her.
an

She was the Eastern Heretic’s daughter AND the Northern Beggar’s disciple.
and

Before they actually exchanged blows, Zhou Botong could hear a series of light popping sounds coming from the Fawang's hands.
from

The blow by the Fawang had as much power as 1000 jin-(1 jin is 1/2 kilogram/1lb).
Fawang

By doing so, he rendered the awesome power of the Fawang useless; but it was also impossible for him to wound his adversary.
Fawang

As soon as she finished, they were two cracking sounds.
there

She knew that he kept gathering his internal power and feared that, because of his old age, he would not able to withstand Fawang.
not be

Huang Rong, Cheng Ying, Lu Wushuang and Yinggu called out with shock.
in

Fawang gone through a lot to escape and was running as fast as possible; he knew if he was detained by Zhou Botong, he would have to fight at least another few hundred stances to determine a victor.
had gone

Huang Rong was shocked, but happy. “Xiang’er! Xiang’er!” she called, and ran toward the bird. She took Guo Xiang off of the birds back.
off
bird’s



Chapter 38 done!

[JamesG]

Chapter 39 is up.

I started editing chapter 1 of LOCH tonight.
What's the definition of 'Masochist'?

[Bangs]

Chapter 39 is up.

I started editing chapter 1 of LOCH tonight.
What's the definition of 'Masochist'?

Someone who obtains pleasure from feeling pain or punishment.