Similar Martial Arts Theories

[CC]

Qz martial arts and 9in martial arts were intertwined. so there are alots of similarites, that was the reason ZBT managed to learn 9yin zhenjing in his sleep after only memorising the formulas without any intention to practise it.
vacant fist and taiji had soft and empty, not using force similarites.

9yang emphasied balance in it's theories, while because huangshang had the aim of defeating his opponents, 9yinzhenjing became more yin(counterattacking) then 9yang. but as for inner power, the sanskrit portion of 9yin was as balanced as 9yang. it was the inner power part that had to be learnt for the moves that was yin. 9yang started from yang but balanced with yin as you practise. ZSF had pure and balanced inner power from the start. ZWJ inner power leaned towards more yang because he had to expel the icy cold yin xuan ming toxin from his body. it should become more pure with practise. 9yin started from yin, including the sanskrit portion but the sanskrit portion should balance with yang as you practise, same as 9yang.

Are the parts in bold your theories or were there actual lines from the novel to support those assertions?

[Dennis Chen]

It's useless to make empty claims when you can't support them.
If you don't know, just admit it; don't use the "go read the book" card to dodge questions.
You should know better than that.

It's stupid to take what was obviously bait. You already knew what I said to be true.

[kyss of the sword]

most of the bold parts where already debated heavily in previous post and those were the conclusions reached. the bold parts have supporting materials from the novel but you have to read it from several different novels, like 9yang was created by a monk who read 9yin manual that was loaned to him by WCY. the monk thought 9yin was not yin and not balanced enough, but the monk never understood the portion that was written in sanskrit. the monk only studied the the inner power cultivation and theories for the moves, this was the part he decided was to "yin". 9yang was already stated to be pure and balanced due to the text portions regarding ZSF. in a previous edition, ZWJ told ZZR that her inner power(9yin) was soft and yin and his 9yang was yang and hard so could not be practised at the same time or the qi streams will clash. but at their inner power becomes refined, they would be equal to the other. this part was taken out in the revised edition as ZZR found 9yin much later. but previous post have agreed on this point.

[Ken Cheng]

How about Hong Lung 18 Palms and the Hung Dung Sect's 7 Seung Fist? Both techniques seem to rely on raw power and heavy blunt impact. In fact, weren't all references to 7 Seung Fists in HSDS Ed. 2 and 3 originally Hong Lung 18 Palms in the first edition?

[PJ]

Not really similar in theory, but the outcomes of having suffered 7 Maim Fists and Chen Jinnan's Blood Coagulative Divine Claws (BCDC) doth bear similarities.

The effects of a tree suffering from 7 Maim Fists: "... after 3 days, leaves will die and fall..."

The effects of a person suffering from BCDC: "... after 3 days, the blood will slowly coagulate..."

[Ken Cheng]

My impression of the Hong Lung 18 Palms and the 7 Seung Fists were both all-out powerful *yang* attacks that emphasized explosive blunt impact. And I do remember something being mentioned about 7 Seung Fists being swapped in for Hong Lung 18 Palms between the first and second editions of HSDS.

[kyss of the sword]

My impression of the Hong Lung 18 Palms and the 7 Seung Fists were both all-out powerful *yang* attacks that emphasized explosive blunt impact. And I do remember something being mentioned about 7 Seung Fists being swapped in for Hong Lung 18 Palms between the first and second editions of HSDS.

yeah, jin yong did not want HL18Z to be used wrongly or that sort of idea, so he replaced it with 7 injuries fist. ZSF believed it to be a lost art because the begger sect leader was crippled after failing to master the 14 move, and the only other practioneer was a begger elder who did not show up much and mastered 12moves only. plus begger clan had become a second class organisation during HSDS. so the fame went down a bit.

[CFT]

My impression of the Hong Lung 18 Palms and the 7 Seung Fists were both all-out powerful *yang* attacks that emphasized explosive blunt impact. And I do remember something being mentioned about 7 Seung Fists being swapped in for Hong Lung 18 Palms between the first and second editions of HSDS.

7-injuries fist was about more than Yang-based attacks - it was a blend of 7 types of energy: Yin, Yang, hard, soft, twisting, direct, etc. (can't remember properly without looking it up).