My laptop crashed so I wasn't able to provide replies yesterday.
No problemo.Originally Posted by PJ
那四人大聲怒喝, 又有兩鋼杖捧在手中,已有一六七十斤,蕭峰腳下絲毫不緩,
…there was 2 more steel canes that ended up in both his hands. It was 160-170 pounds of weight he was carrying but it did not hinder his speed in the slightest degree.
A scene that was left out from the 3rd edition: -
蕭峰笑道:“你手誅白世鏡這等奸徒,實是英雄了得,蕭峰甘拜下風,輕功不如你。咱二人去沽酒喝 吧,不比了,不比了。”他一面說話,一面奔跑,腳下絲毫不緩。
那人突然止步,說道:“喬峰威震江湖,果然名不虛傳。你口中說話,真氣仍然運使自如,真英雄, 真豪傑!”
Xiao Feng laughed out, “Your slaying of the villain Bai Shijing is truly the actions of a hero. I, Xiao Feng submit to you, my lightness skill can’t be compared to yours. Why don’t the both of us go for a few pints, let’s quit this.” Even when he spoke and ran simultaneously, there wasn’t a single sign of lagging in his speed.
The man suddenly went no further, and spoke out, “The name of Qiao Feng awing the world, is not a false reputation after all. Even when you speak, your zhen qi can still be utilised smoothly without problems, such heroic spirit!”
This scene IMO indicates that XYS couldn’t emulate what his son just did there. I have no idea if it was to do with his old age or (unlikely) his inexperience with qigong as demonstrated by Xuzhu when he landed hard on the ground whilst jumping and the same when he spoke to TSTL and got smacked by one of LQS’s palm strikes.
But ZWJ’s feat in HSDS was also very comparable to XF’s, so it’s not a question of purity to able to perform this:
卻見他不即不離,仍是和自己並肩而行,忽聽他說道:「殷前輩,這青翼蝠王奔跑雖快,未必 長力也夠,咱們跟他死纏到底。」
殷野王吃了一驚,立時停步,自忖:「我施展如此輕功,已是竭盡平 生之力,別說開口說話,便是換錯了一口氣也是不成。這小子隨口說 話,居然足下絲毫不慢,那是什麼功夫?」
He (Yin Yewang) saw that he (Zhang Wuji) was within arm’s length reach of him, and still remained abreast of him. Then he suddenly heard him say, “Blah, blah, blah...”
Yin Yewang was startled and immediately stopped, speculating: “For me to execute to this kind of Lightness Skill has already used up my utmost effort. Even when taking in the wrong breath it would be inappropriate, much less opening my mouth. This fellow spoke out freely and it wasn’t able to affect his speed rate in the slightest, what kind of kung fu is this?”
XF was firing palms at Sweeper and the gap between them was still 2-3 Zhang range.I am sure that running and palm attacks both require internal energy, so it makes sense to me that if you fire a palm while running, you end up firing a weaker palm && running slower.
Athena: Funny thing is though, people before have posted up in Chinese forums claiming their Chinese Literature teachers have all said that ’WCY can defeat the 4 of them’ is the definitive way to read it. I see that popping up all the time, I can’t really argue against them. All I’m trying to point out here is that it would lead to inconsistencies regarding WCY’s level if you take a look at the examples of the very first edition and another from 2nd. The first edition is unmistakable of it implying that WCY is inferior to H7G by the time of ROCH. As we know, H7G is also slightly below ZBT‘s level. When all of this has been taken into account, it would therefore be impossible for WCY to defeat 4 Mongolian warriors. That is of course, unless the QZ 5 masters have seriously overestimated their master. In the first example I’ve given: YG coupled with confirmation by the narrator that WCY has been surpassed by H7G. The same with the 2nd edition.
I really can’t see a sudden change of heart from Jinyong especially when the same passage is found in the oldest edition:
丘處機等心想:「若是先師在世,自能勝得過他們,周師祖大概也勝他們一籌,但說到
同時受這四人圍攻,十九要抵敵不住。」
Except that this time Jinyong removed ‘說到‘ and replaced it with ‘若‘.But when you see this and my first example existing in the same edition there isn’t any convergence if the scholars were right.
There’s also another part from LOCH that puts WCY again in an unfavourable position in this argument which hasn‘t been changed in the 3rd Edition:
歐陽鋒)淡淡的道:「全真派的武功非同小可,這個咱們都是領教過的。老頑童再加上《九陰真經》,就算王重陽 復生,也未見得是他師弟對手,更不必說咱們了。唉,全真派該當興旺,你我三人辛勤一世,到頭來總還是棋差一 著。」
Ouyang Feng said, “…Old Urchin who’s got the 9 Yin, even if Wang Chongyang was restored to life there’s nothing that’s indicative he would be a match for his junior martial bro; not much point in talking about us…
The purpose of these words of ’not much point in talking about us’ is to declare their (OYF’s, HYS’s and H7G’s) inferiority to WCY. But in spite of this, OYF was still certain that WCY (perhaps at his prime) was inferior to ZBT equipped with 9 Yin.
I wouldn’t say clear-cut; if myself and the several others differ with another interpretation, then there‘s clearly some ambiguity in the given text. My Chinese isn’t first-rate but good enough to distinguish whether certain sentences are legible or illegible.Did Jin Yong intend to have that particular sentence to have the sixth or seventh meaning instead or the more clear-cut first meaning?
I don’t think it can be comparable to the boost GJ got, but yes, there’s likely chance of improvement in his martial arts. WCY had the highest understanding of Taoist martial arts out of the 4 Greats, so I believe it’s pretty rational of him being able to acquire the essence of 9 Yin quicker than the others. Remember: GJ didn’t learn the Big Dipper Formation just by relying on observation, the 9 Yin manual helped him. So already we know for a fact that WCY’s Taoist style is not much different from the creator’s (Huang Shang‘s). Furthermore, he wasn’t able to learn the Sanskrit part of the 9 Yin and that was the most important bit of the manual, outlining the dangers of martial arts being “9 Yin” and the necessity for soft and hard style of combat. So WCY in learning the 2 volumes without the most important part did not gain the full benefits. GJ has learnt this crucial part (thankfully with Yideng‘s help), and that’s one of the many reasons why I would place him above WCY. Simply becoz of his neutralization and refinement of the external/hard techniques that he picked up in his lifetime. WCY’s martial arts philosophy was probably still dominant in soft counter hard.The novel said that he absorbed the essence of Jiuyin and attained profiency in the art of Jiuyin.
That part remains.Originally Posted by Han Solo