Legend of the Condor Heroes 2006 (Ariel Lin, Hu Ge)

[Ian Liew]

It's still a weak plot hole. If that's my son, I'll wait somewhere safe, come back to collect his corpse and give him a royal burial as a Jin prince.

It was a bit too much like a scene from Resident Evil for the poor Jins, really. They needed to get Wanyan Honglie somewhere safe, while Sha Tongtian was quite badly injured. By the time the whole reality sank in it would have been a few days.

Assuming the Jins did try and come back to recover the corpse, the crows were already at Yang Kang's corpse before Ke Zhener even left the Iron Spear Temple, and it took Ke 3 days to find Guo Jing, beat him up, after which Guo Jing headed straight for the temple, found the bones and buried them (although it doesn't say if he made a headstone or if the one Qui Chuji made later was to be the first one). So unless the Jins came back within a few days of the episode, they won't have found any trace of a corpse. I suspect they never came back and left the corpse like they would on a hostile battlefield, or like in a Resident Evil scene. =)

[xiaolong]

Some other plot-holes that bothered me for years:
- Why QCJ never took YK and his Mom away when YK was 6...and let a Yang descendent grow up thinking he's a Jin?
- Why YTX didn't go to QCJ to ask about YK and BXR's whereabouts?
- Why MNC never took care of YK's grave at Iron Spear Temple. She obviously knew he died there as she asked YG to bury her there.

It was a bit too much like a scene from Resident Evil for the poor Jins, really. They needed to get Wanyan Honglie somewhere safe, while Sha Tongtian was quite badly injured. By the time the whole reality sank in it would have been a few days.

Assuming the Jins did try and come back to recover the corpse, the crows were already at Yang Kang's corpse before Ke Zhener even left the Iron Spear Temple, and it took Ke 3 days to find Guo Jing, beat him up, after which Guo Jing headed straight for the temple, found the bones and buried them (although it doesn't say if he made a headstone or if the one Qui Chuji made later was to be the first one). So unless the Jins came back within a few days of the episode, they won't have found any trace of a corpse. I suspect they never came back and left the corpse like they would on a hostile battlefield, or like in a Resident Evil scene. =)

[Mido-Ban]

Well. Rewatching lotch 03 version with zhou xun n li yapeng. I notice the actor who playes quichen ren, iron palm dude is zhouboutong in lotch 08.

I admit tho, some of fights in 03 was good but some of casting was wrong.

This version like other said appeals more to teens etc. Buts its still one of my fav, or all remakes I enjoy regardless what others say.

Hope we get to see rotch with hu ge as yang guo, since he was runner up for rotch 06. Or I hope tangren makes demi god semi devil, or state of divinity.

[Mido-Ban]

I notice every series/novel have there own plotholes.

[H.Ge-C.Liu]

Some other plot-holes that bothered me for years:
- Why QCJ never took YK and his Mom away when YK was 6...and let a Yang descendent grow up thinking he's a Jin?
- Why YTX didn't go to QCJ to ask about YK and BXR's whereabouts?
- Why MNC never took care of YK's grave at Iron Spear Temple. She obviously knew he died there as she asked YG to bury her there.

Possible Answers:
Q1. In the LOCH 2008 version, it is because Qiu Chu Ji and Wan Yan Hong Lie had a bet (shown in a flashback when QCJ's disciple asked him why he didn't take BXR and YK away.
Q2. YTX thought BXR and YK were dead so he decided to adopt a daughter and start a new life, OR he couldn't face BXR because he left her to save his big-sister in law.
NOT SURE ABOUT Q3. HOPE the answers above can help you a little in figuring out your bothers

[xiaolong]

Possible Answers:
Q1. In the LOCH 2008 version, it is because Qiu Chu Ji and Wan Yan Hong Lie had a bet (shown in a flashback when QCJ's disciple asked him why he didn't take BXR and YK away.
Q2. YTX thought BXR and YK were dead so he decided to adopt a daughter and start a new life, OR he couldn't face BXR because he left her to save his big-sister in law.
NOT SURE ABOUT Q3. HOPE the answers above can help you a little in figuring out your bothers

Oh, these are some questions tossed around and debated in the wuxia fiction forum, haha! But LOCH08's attempt to provide an explanation to Q1 is very lame, sorry.

[autuymnrain]

I just rewatched this series the other day, and I'm not sure if I ever commented, but I actually am realllllly glad they chose Bryan Leung Ka Yan as Hong Qi Gong. Interesting because he's Guo Jing in ROCH 1983. But I loved him in here and was soooo happy he played Qi Gong and not Sun Xing. I don't think I'd be able to take Sun Xing seriously as Qi Gong.

and of course, gosh the love story here feels strongest between HR and GJ compared to previous versions, so one huge reason I love this just as much as the 1983 one.

[NuDaFu]

Why MNC never took care of YK's grave at Iron Spear Temple. She obviously knew he died there as she asked YG to bury her there.

Now THAT one has had me stumped for the longest time.

Oh, these are some questions tossed around and debated in the wuxia fiction forum, haha! But LOCH08's attempt to provide an explanation to Q1 is very lame, sorry.

Don't forget GJ's premature discovery of YK's part in his masters' murders. A move for explanation when there was no need for one.

In LOCH82, I think QCJ wanted to just take YK away as a baby, but couldn't bear to separate mother and child when BXR pleaded with him. The question is, why BXR would want to stay with YYHL? I suppose YYHL seemed more pleasant than the seeming meanie that was QCJ, or that BXR had fears her child would be forced into Daoism?

As much as I love LKY (I thought him best as Qiao Feng myself), I thought the best Qi Gong was 82' Lau Dan.

I don't think they should have made his 'jealousy' of GJ such a big issue. If anything, it should be the fact that the Songs kept betraying YK when he was travelling around with MNC.

Exactly! I didn't get the impression from the novel and not from LOCH82 that YK had a self esteem problem with regards to GJ. I liked a scene from LOCH82 when YK was caught and outnumbered at Yin Yu Tai, and he just shrugged off the collapse of his plan as: Winners are Kings, Losers are Beggars/Slaves, so what? Then he even turns it around on GJ that he must be ashamed to follow a girl around and not man enough to follow his own destiny. Helps that MKW looks so noble despite being the baddy. I felt that YK's jealousy made him less than who he was. He was a resourceful fellow, and may have been annoyed about GJ knowing higher level martial arts as him, but never thought it particularly a disadvantage to himself in comparisan.

Also, the death of GJ's teachers were supposed to be a mystery! That's part of why it was so interesting. It irked me to no end that they actually showed it and then had YK admit it to GJ.

I think the series was trying to do something 'different' with that, but the trying went into realms of nonsense.

I don't think GJ was wishy washy though re:women. Even in the novel - GJ never says to HR he would give up his promise to marry HJ. In this version, he does. He says if there will only be one time that he breaks an oath, it would be for HR. I thought that probably THE most satisfying change. Other than that, there weren't that many changes to the HR-GJ-HJ triangle. In fact, I felt that Hu Ge played GJ near the end with even less warmth to HJ compared to LOCH82. The latter version REALLY tried to make a drama fest out of it. In LOCH08, GJ was conflicted when he had to announce his marriage to HJ in front of HR and HYS. When he says HR is the woman he will only ever love, he was being pretty adamant, even defiant, that if the world/honour forces his actions, nothing will ever move the direction of his heart. At the end back in Mongolia, he was very firm and clear to HJ where his feelings and hopes lay. I thought this time when he agreed to marry HJ if HR was confirmed dead, he promised out of hopelessness...that he had nothing left to really live for, so whatever he decided after that was of no consequence.

GJ cared:

When he admitted that he couldn't kill the woman he loved - despite being daughter of murderer - because he couldn't bear to lose anymore loved ones. I think there is greatest 'proof' of love when it comes to the test and rises above it, as is the case.

When he keeps on repeating to HR to wait for him before going to war. Perhaps with the instinct that she is going to leave?

YK and MNC ma...that was just a very strange and confusing relationship. Especially when OYK was thrown into the mix.

[autuymnrain]

i loveeeddd reading your post, NaDaFu! :] I have to agree about what you said with GJ being firm about his feelings for HR. I loved that they did put in that if GJ were to break a promise, it would be this once in his lifetime for HR! Aweness indeed! <3

Like you, I think Lau Dan was best Qi Gong too! He really had a lot of chemistry with Barbara. Though LKY and Ariel did do very well, they still fell a bit short. just a bit...But honestly, no one can beat the Zhou Batong of the 1980s. None that I've seen in all the remakes.

[NuDaFu]

^That was probably what made Lau Dan's performance so memorable. In a way, I think he came to love GJ through HR. It was obvious that if it weren't for HR, HQG wouldn't have given a fig about GJ. He KNEW who HR exactly was, and in his own way, was protecting HYS' little girl for him. In that, HR became his little girl. It was so funny when he did claim to be her father (LOCH82 version), and used that fact to 'sell' her to a brothel. Oh and the wit of HR to in turn trick HQG to be waylaid by that same brothel.

I think that's why the 80's version was so memorable. That version made you connect with the characters and their relationships in a way that cannot be easily set aside.

Another example is Miss Qing and Guan Ying's relationship. I haven't seen a version that made me feel or think a smidgeon for that pair, except for the 80's version. Of course, they built that up to push GJ into a deeper line of thought for his own relationship. When GY thinks his lost Miss Qing, GJ unwisely says he'll get better when he forgets and finds someone new. GY challenges that he will never have another, and if GJ thinks he could forget the love of his life so easily, he obviously doesn't know him very well.

Of course, Miss Qing was more or less a plot vice to put romantic attention onto GJ and make HR jealous. Not that HR fell for it. I think she teased him for it too...that was from the novel.

Yes, Zhou Batong of the 80's was one in a million. Because of him, I always imagined him as a rather rotund character. That's why any other Zhou Batong that was skinny just didn't sit well with me.

[cherieluv]

and of course, gosh the love story here feels strongest between HR and GJ compared to previous versions, so one huge reason I love this just as much as the 1983 one.

That is what I felt too although I have only seen this version and Li Ya Ping and Zhou Xun's version. My whole family really rooted for this couple. Gosh, their love never wavered and was tested time and again. I felt that HG and Ariel Lin did a marvellous job.

I find it so weird that many here claim that YK and MNC was everyone's favourite couple in LOCH08 and even claimed that the Chinese media supported that fact. I don't know but most people I personally know forwarded past YK and MNC's scenes.

[autuymnrain]

NaDaFu,I know this is a bit off topic, but do you happen to remember what episode you were talking about with Qi Gong and HR playing that prank on each other in the 80's version? It's been such a long time since I've watched it...I might go back to watch that again too. HAHAHA

Well, I am watching bits and pieces of the 2008 version still! hahaha. I seriously love it. But yes, because of Zhou Batong in the 80's version, I've wanted all other ZB to be chubby. They just don't look half as fit for the role when they're so thin. HAHAHA so the 80's ZB really takes the cake. Not many others have been able to even hold a candle to him.

cherieluv! thanks for joining the discussion! I'm glad I'm not the only one still lingering around in this thread. hahaha. But YES totally, the love story between HR and GJ here is really the loveliest compared even to the beloved 80's classic version. Hu Ge and Ariel really are phenomenal here. I really wish they could team up again, but sadly, Ariel has retired from the acting business. But I'll never forget their roles in here--probably my favorite couple of all time and they edge out a bit for me even more than Barbara's and Felix's HR and GJ.

HAHAHA well, I didn't hear a whole lot of people liking YK and MNC more. In fact, I think in many threads people said they were fastforwarding their scenes too, and I am one of them! So maybe we're the majority. HAHAHA

[xiaolong]

Ariel Lin retired from acting? Where did you hear that from? She's been very active in T-drama scene. in fact, Ariel and Bolin Chen just had a new series out - In Time With You, and they are actively promoting it! Ariel only said she'd consider retiring from acting when she gets married as her boyfriend is from overseas, and if they get married, she will follow him, but that hasn't happened yet.

Well, GJ & HR here...to each their own. Most people I know thought Hu Ge and Ariel's chemistry here was a disappointment compared to their previous collaboration in Fairy from Wonderland. As for YK & MNC, the Chinese media and forums did lambast their story as badly written. It was the actor/actress (YH/LSS) whose X-factor that the audience liked, but agree the story sucked. Anyway, if they were universally hated then, they should have disappeared from sight and LSS would never have been San Niang or Ruoxi today right?

YK was initially written with Nic Tse in mind. But he turned down the role. Tangren later offered Wallace Huo but he also turned it down. Hu Ge wanted to play YK (he's been wanting to play a villain role for a long time) but Tangren wanted him paired with Ariel, and since Ariel won't touch the role of MNC and will only accept HR, they had Hu Ge as GJ instead. YH was meant for OYK role (which had similar traits with Yelu Xie). LSS was a newbie they signed up, so they took a risk on her to cast her as MNC instead after Ariel turned down the MNC role.

[Dragon Heiress]

^She announced that she's no longer accepting series in a message criticising the Taiwan entertainment industry because she can't handle the conditions anymore. From now on, she's only taking movie roles.

I started off watching at least 50% of the scenes but I ended up skipping GJ+HR scenes. I was getting close to the end when I just gave up, watched YK return and die, and that was it. So...yeah.

Has anyone here actually skipped neither couple?

[autuymnrain]

oh right, thank you for the clarifications. Maybe it was just from dramas and not film? I'm kinda confused with the articles, but here are some I did find.

http://asianmatters.blogspot.com/201...ire-early.html and http://www.maydaily.com/2011/07/09/a...retires-at-28/.

I am curious though, Dragon Heiress, did you not like the storyline or the did you feel the acting felt short? :]

[xiaolong]

oh right, thank you for the clarifications. Maybe it was just from dramas and not film? I'm kinda confused with the articles, but here are some I did find.

http://asianmatters.blogspot.com/201...ire-early.html and http://www.maydaily.com/2011/07/09/a...retires-at-28/.

Strange, I've never heard of these news sources. Are these blogs?

Whatever...I've no idea what these blogs are saying, but she's still doing her In Time With You (a TV drama!) promo rounds on Kangxi Lai Le.

[Dragon Heiress]

^I read about it on Aiya the didn't.


Well, I was totally in love with HR and GJ in LOCH03.
I think it was the acting, and maybe a bit to do with direction. I think the script was alright, even if it wasn't as good as the 2003 version in my opinion. Ariel's HR really didn't sit well with me. I didn't feel like she captured the essence of the character and to me she was kind of annoying.

[autuymnrain]

Strange, I've never heard of these news sources. Are these blogs?

Whatever...I've no idea what these blogs are saying, but she's still doing her Office Girls (a TV drama!) rounds on Kangxi Lai Le. And she's brilliant! Office Girls is so fun to watch and Ariel is totally in her charming spunky element there!

Oh, maybe those aren't legit sources then? I kept seeing them float around and that's how I actually knew of it, or thought she was retiring. Now I'm not sure if it's legit. hahaha. But Ariel is in Office Girls-really? Is it not, In Time With You? Or did I get confused with something else? Oh, and thanks xiaolong for the info about the role of YK being initially meant for Hu Ge. And how Ariel turned down MNC's role, hence the pairing of them in this series. Cool to know! :] And I personally thought their chemistry was wonderful here and in Fairy from Wonderland. :]

Dragon Heiress, thanks for sharing. I did really enjoy the 2003 version of LOCH too minus how I wasn't thrilled with the actor who played YK. Totally disappointed me there, but then if I were to pick, to me, YK of 1983 still rocked the best.

[xiaolong]

Oops, sorry, I got confused! Her new series with Bolin is In Time With You! Office Girls is Roy Chiu's new series! I kept getting both mixed up as I'm watching both at the same time, hahaha!

I actually would like to see another Hu Ge & Ariel pairing as it's been eons since LOCH08. I thought both their pairings were equally charming in both Fairy and LOCH08, though people seemed to prefer their chem in Fairy.

[autuymnrain]

thank you for the information anyhow! I've been wanting to watch this with her, but I can't seem to find any places that have them English subbed. Sorry, didn't mean to get off topic. ^-^

I also wanted to comment, I don't think the instrumentals of LOCH have been released huh?