ZBT vs GWM

[dragon2005]

Who's better?

[The Khan]

who is GWM?

[dragon2005]

who is GWM?

golden wheel monk

[danshu_]

Who's better?

post 16 years GWM's internal is higher than ZBT's

[Han Solo]

I wondered how good ZBT actually became at the end of ROCH?
Can we at that time say that he has become better than the rest of the greats and his apprentice brother WCY?
Pls note that ZBT never had the full version of 9 Yin

Han SOlo

[Ken Cheng]

post 16 years GWM's internal is higher than ZBT's

Maybe (we don't know that for certain). Technique-wise, however, Chow Bak Tung still had the Golden Wheel Monk beaten.

[danshu_]

Maybe (we don't know that for certain). Technique-wise, however, Chow Bak Tung still had the Golden Wheel Monk beaten.

some new evidence has come to light in the survivor thread, and GWM, in JY's own words, doubled his internal energy during the 16 years, while ZBT played with bees

[Ken Cheng]

some new evidence has come to light in the survivor thread, and GWM, in JY's own words, doubled his internal energy during the 16 years, while ZBT played with bees

I've read that post, but there's nothing I've ever seen or read that leads me to believe that the Golden Wheel Monk at the end of ROCH was powerful enough to fight *two* Chow Bak Tungs. In fact, during the fight at Passionless Valley, it seemed that Chow Bak Tung was doing just fine one on one against the Golden Wheel Monk. 1 Deng and Wong Yerk See's presence just made things much easier for him.

[yittz]

Haha, but ZBT's beekeeping skills improved vastly in that time - he maybe able to destroy JLFW with his poisonous bee formation. (for some reason I can imagine ZBT dressed up like a bee and trying to sting JLFW)

[PJ]

I've read that post, but there's nothing I've ever seen or read that leads me to believe that the Golden Wheel Monk at the end of ROCH was powerful enough to fight *two* Chow Bak Tungs. In fact, during the fight at Passionless Valley, it seemed that Chow Bak Tung was doing just fine one on one against the Golden Wheel Monk. 1 Deng and Wong Yerk See's presence just made things much easier for him.

Golden Wheel Monk would definitely lose to 2 Greats. In fact I estimate that he may not win from 1 Zhou Botong even though he has superior internal energy. This is due to his weak combat mentality and his lack of superb techniques a la the rest of the Greats.

I posted more thoughts in the "n-th time" thread.

[TommyH]

After 16 years GWM/JLFW's internal power increased greatly but I'm still really curious about his abilities. His technique is still weak and I'm not sure if he really surpassed great level. But I have a feeling if they fought for a while it'll either be a draw or ZBT loses. But their difference in internal power isn't that great.

[danshu_]

I've read that post, but there's nothing I've ever seen or read that leads me to believe that the Golden Wheel Monk at the end of ROCH was powerful enough to fight *two* Chow Bak Tungs. In fact, during the fight at Passionless Valley, it seemed that Chow Bak Tung was doing just fine one on one against the Golden Wheel Monk. 1 Deng and Wong Yerk See's presence just made things much easier for him.

of course GWM's energy is not _double_ ZBT. He had less that ZBT pre 16 years, and ZBT also improved somewhat during the 16 years. So ZBT is not quite at GWM's level of internal. However the crux of the matter is that the greats all have multiple great techniques to rely on, and great combat strategy, whereas the GWM basically only has 1. Its not so much that he has "weak" techniques then that he only has "1" technique, IMO. It would be like ZBT only being able to fight with his vacant fists, in which case he would never be able to touch GWM.

[The Khan]

but ZBT has the L/R technique effectively counting as 2 greats.

[danshu_]

but ZBT has the L/R technique effectively counting as 2 greats.

2 Greats with one arm each who are attached to eachother and only possess the internal energy of one great, yah

[dragon2005]

what if zbt mastered jyzj? He knows it by heart but vowed never to utilize it. If he trained with jyzj, will he be able to defeat the gwm?

[ChronoReverse]

but ZBT has the L/R technique effectively counting as 2 greats.

No. It gives him a technique advantage. But it's not really equivalent to two ZBT's.

of course GWM's energy is not _double_ ZBT. He had less that ZBT pre 16 years, and ZBT also improved somewhat during the 16 years. So ZBT is not quite at GWM's level of internal. However the crux of the matter is that the greats all have multiple great techniques to rely on, and great combat strategy, whereas the GWM basically only has 1. Its not so much that he has "weak" techniques then that he only has "1" technique, IMO. It would be like ZBT only being able to fight with his vacant fists, in which case he would never be able to touch GWM.

Actually, if ZBT only used Vacant Fists, GWM wouldn't be able to touch him either. GWM was rather shocked that ZBT completely and rather easily dissipated his great force. ZBT had somewhat lower internal energy though, so he wasn't able to inflict damage with Vacant Fists either.

what if zbt mastered jyzj? He knows it by heart but vowed never to utilize it. If he trained with jyzj, will he be able to defeat the gwm?

ZBT has already incorporated the techniques of 9Yin into his own (he didn't have access to the internal though). YG's fight with ZBT demonstrated that clearly to the point where ZBT was directly using a technique from 9Yin.

[danshu_]

Actually, if ZBT only used Vacant Fists, GWM wouldn't be able to touch him either. GWM was rather shocked that ZBT completely and rather easily dissipated his great force. ZBT had somewhat lower internal energy though, so he wasn't able to inflict damage with Vacant Fists either.

Exactly. I'm saying ZBT has the advantage over GWM cause he's got more options. That being said, its hard to say how that fight would have turned out had they continued.

[Loke-Gao-Zhu]

ZBT with his full 9 yin, and he can use 2 abilities