Favourite female character from the Condor Trilogy

[Thor]

xln is 1 dimensional at most.

Xln, one dimensional?, you got to be kidding.
She is one of the most interesting and colorful character in ROCH.
She is the most beautiful girl in the Condor Trilogy. (Why else would they select LYF to play that role).
She is also the best female fighter in all of the Trilogy.
She has nothing but kindness at heart(feel sorry even when YG cooked the chicken for her birthday). She loves YG with all her heart but being not exposed to the ways of wulin acts in quiet and introvert. She has a big heart even to a point that she forgave the Taoist that raped her.
How can you call her one dimensional.

I would say that you are one dimensional from the quality of your posts.

[kidd]

yeah shes a mother who can't bring up her children. she spoiled Guo Fu, then she tried to amend her errors by restricting Guo Xiang when GX is the least that needs restricting.

HR learned from her mistake. If she did not restrict Guo Xiang, u think Guo Xiang will turn out so great? You cannot have it both ways. If u blame HR for spoiling Guo Fu and turning her into and spoilt brat, you should give Huang Rong the credit for better parenting the second time around. Guo Xiang did not get the nickname 'Little Dong Xie' for being docile and obedient.

[Ken Cheng]

Xln, one dimensional?, you got to be kidding.
She is one of the most interesting and colorful character in ROCH.

You'd better explain this one. The available evidence doesn't support this view.

She is the most beautiful girl in the Condor Trilogy. (Why else would they select LYF to play that role).

Well, many reasons, frankly. I'll give you the most beautiful girl in the CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY because that is what Jin Yong intended, but said actress' beauty and suitability for the role are subjective.

She is also the best female fighter in all of the Trilogy.

I get the feeling that she was not better than her martial ancestor Lam Chiu Ying, but the jury's out on this one.

She has nothing but kindness at heart(feel sorry even when YG cooked the chicken for her birthday). She loves YG with all her heart but being not exposed to the ways of wulin acts in quiet and introvert. She has a big heart even to a point that she forgave the Taoist that raped her.

Well, good for her, but this shows that she's a complex, multilayered character in what way?

How can you call her one dimensional.

Because she is.

I would say that you are one dimensional from the quality of your posts.

Comment on stories and characters, not on other posters. I've seen *way* too much of this around here recently and if it doesn't stop, there are going to be some serious consequences.

[kidd]

i concur...jy should not have ruined hr's character in roch... sick of whining male leads and females with no personality.

You complain about XLN being 1 dimensional. But when older HR shows some dimension and not all cute and likeable, u complained that JY ruined her character.

[patricia n]

You complain about XLN being 1 dimensional. But when older HR shows some dimension and not all cute and likeable, u complained that JY ruined her character.

yes, jy ruined her char but hr still isn't one dimensional. i don't see the connection in your argument; just because a person is multilayered does not mean she's likeable to me (if that's what you're getting at). my pet peeves with roch are many, one of which is a female lead who is as dull as a lightbulb. either way, i'm complaining about jy making both women dislikeable to me in roch.

I would say that you are one dimensional from the quality of your posts.

you're the first one ever to tell me this...lol

[NetDriftr]

I would say that you are one dimensional from the quality of your posts.

this personal attack is unnecessary. your post doesn't give much in way of explanation.

[NetDriftr]

HR learned from her mistake. If she did not restrict Guo Xiang, u think Guo Xiang will turn out so great? You cannot have it both ways. If u blame HR for spoiling Guo Fu and turning her into and spoilt brat, you should give Huang Rong the credit for better parenting the second time around. Guo Xiang did not get the nickname 'Little Dong Xie' for being docile and obedient.

no i dont think Huang Rong learned from her mistake with Guo Fu. the reason she became stricter with Guo Xiang and Guo Po Lu was basic human reaction. she screwed up Guo Fu's upbringing - so she was determined to change that and enforce strict guidance on her twins. it doesn't matter if the twins are nothing like Guo Fu. they will be raised under strict regime.

the argument that Guo Xiang require strict discipline because of her 'little eastern herectic' nature doesn't ring true for me. why was Guo Xiang given this nickname? it was never defined in the novel what events led to this nickname. i think Guo Fu came up with the nickname as payback for some petty thing Guo Xiang did.
whatever the reason, i'm sure the nickname cannot be taken at face value.

..And what's wrong with lateral thinking? Great personalities in History disregard traditions and customs as they rose to greatness. Hatshepsut became the first female Pharaoh of Ancient Egypt - she didn't let her male dominant court dictate what she can or can't do just because she was a woman. Galileo proved the earth orbits the sun to much antagonism from the Catholic Church.

Huang Rong did not learn from her mistakes. First with Guo Fu's liberal upbringing, then she made the mistake of judging Yang Guo - fearing Yang Guo would turn out like his father. For someone who is supposed to be the most intelligent character in the Condor Trilogy - Huang Rong is rather thick and dim witted towards her twilight years hahaha

(now i'm ready for the flaming)

[strife_au]

Probably Jing Yong probably could not come up with other ideas to for HR anyway just to show how cute GX was...
shes as smart or stupid as JY has her

[NetDriftr]

Probably Jing Yong probably could not come up with other ideas to for HR anyway just to show how cute GX was...
shes as smart or stupid as JY has her

i think JY highlighted the fact that smart people are so wrapped up in their cleverness, they failed to see the bigger picture

[strife_au]

easy words within words

[K2Grey]

Xln, one dimensional?, you got to be kidding.
She is one of the most interesting and colorful character in ROCH.
She is the most beautiful girl in the Condor Trilogy. (Why else would they select LYF to play that role).
She is also the best female fighter in all of the Trilogy.
She has nothing but kindness at heart(feel sorry even when YG cooked the chicken for her birthday). She loves YG with all her heart but being not exposed to the ways of wulin acts in quiet and introvert. She has a big heart even to a point that she forgave the Taoist that raped her.
How can you call her one dimensional.

I would say that you are one dimensional from the quality of your posts.

I would say that you do not understand the meaning of "one dimensional".

One-dimensionality refers to characterization. Beauty and fighting ability do not factor into whether someone is one-dimensional or not. Neither does being super kind, although if someone is super kind all the time and only super kind, that may be a sign of one-dimensionality in and of itself.

People in real life tend not to be one-dimensional. It is possible for them to be one-dimensional, but that cannot be determined by looking at a person's posts.

[kidd]

no i dont think Huang Rong learned from her mistake with Guo Fu. the reason she became stricter with Guo Xiang and Guo Po Lu was basic human reaction. she screwed up Guo Fu's upbringing - so she was determined to change that and enforce strict guidance on her twins. it doesn't matter if the twins are nothing like Guo Fu. they will be raised under strict regime.

the argument that Guo Xiang require strict discipline because of her 'little eastern herectic' nature doesn't ring true for me. why was Guo Xiang given this nickname? it was never defined in the novel what events led to this nickname. i think Guo Fu came up with the nickname as payback for some petty thing Guo Xiang did.
whatever the reason, i'm sure the nickname cannot be taken at face value.

..And what's wrong with lateral thinking? Great personalities in History disregard traditions and customs as they rose to greatness. Hatshepsut became the first female Pharaoh of Ancient Egypt - she didn't let her male dominant court dictate what she can or can't do just because she was a woman. Galileo proved the earth orbits the sun to much antagonism from the Catholic Church.

The only thing I can say now is double standard.

That is the only think I can see in your post. Listing great personalities doesn't help your case in anyway. I never said lateral thinking is bad. Don't put words in my mouth.

"Little East Heretic" can mean Guo Xiang is unconventional, but also can mean she's a handful. Stricter upbringing prevent her from turning into a total spoilt brat. If Huang Rong was not strict, you might get an unconvention and spoilt Guo Xiang, instead of an unconvention and cute adorable Guo Xiang.

If Guo Fu was not born bad but a product of bad parenting, Guo Xiang was also not born good and know right and wrong instinctively from the time she was a baby. She is also a product of Huang Rong's parenting.

Not learning from mistake means not changing one's way of doing something even when that way is proven wrong. Example of not learning from mistake : Huang Rong continues to be lenient and spoilt her twins even after the disaster with Guo Fu. Seeing how Guo Fu turned out, and doing differently in 2nd time around is learning from mistake.

I still maintain. If u blame Huang Rong for how Guo Fung turn out, u should give credit to Huang Rong for how Guo Xiang and Guo Po Lu turned out.

Huang Rong did not learn from her mistakes. First with Guo Fu's liberal upbringing, then she made the mistake of judging Yang Guo - fearing Yang Guo would turn out like his father. For someone who is supposed to be the most intelligent character in the Condor Trilogy - Huang Rong is rather thick and dim witted towards her twilight years hahaha

Guo Fu messed up upbringing is her first mistake. How is that not learning from mistake? U have to make mistake first before you can learn from mistake. Making a mistake of judging Yang Guo is also a first mistake. And she isn't far from her prediction either. Yang Guo did try to take revenge. If not for those classics Huang Rong taught Yang Guo when he was young, Yang Guo might not have turn out great either. Even Yang Guo said what Huang Rong's taught him was beneficial to him. Please check up the phrase 'learn from mistake' to understand its meaning.

Huang Rong is not a saint. She's an intelligent woman but that doesn't mean she does not have biases, fear and not influenced by emotion. She's not Sweeper Monk. Huang Rong has always been bias, even in LOCH. Her biases just turn out right all the time in LOCH. So, u guys don't hate her in there.
Even her father, who's supposed to be more intelligent than her is not perfect. Just because 2 students betrayed him, he broke the legs of all the other students. That's something wise to do? Something fair to do?

[kidd]

i think JY highlighted the fact that smart people are so wrapped up in their cleverness, they failed to see the bigger picture

And this sentence fit Yang Guo too, other than Huang Rong and Huang Yao Shi.

[yittz]

Guo Po Luo and Guo Xiang aren't exactly success stories either.

HR so smart and so much ability to adapt - did she really adapt with GX or was GX v. different to GF (I mean GPL is very different to both isn't he?) ? And it took her a second child to correct herself? All those years between GF and GX she could not change - don't tell me she was blind to how crap GF is.

[NetDriftr]

The only thing I can say now is double standard.

That is the only think I can see in your post. Listing great personalities doesn't help your case in anyway. I never said lateral thinking is bad. Don't put words in my mouth.

"Little East Heretic" can mean Guo Xiang is unconventional, but also can mean she's a handful. Stricter upbringing prevent her from turning into a total spoilt brat. If Huang Rong was not strict, you might get an unconvention and spoilt Guo Xiang, instead of an unconvention and cute adorable Guo Xiang.

This is the only part I will attempt to correct myself. I rarely trade tit for tat in forum debate.

A heretic is one who has unorthodox opinions and views. what is unorthodox? something not of the norm as accepted by collective minds. Now can one be capable of heretic view if one does not think outside the square (lateral thinking)?

Using historical figures/references ALWAYS gives credibility with your argument as long it applies to your subject matter.

[Guo Xiang]

no i disagree with your statement. HR may have been clever and calculating in her youth but she kinda reached her limits at middle age. people who think they are smart generally are too smart for their own good. they think they know whats best for everyone. just look at her treatment of YG. just because his father turned out like he did, she thinks YG will turn out the same way.

Uhh... that's a flawed mindset, which has little to do with intelligence. And I'd say that kind of mindset is actually quite common.

Guo Po Luo and Guo Xiang aren't exactly success stories either.

HR so smart and so much ability to adapt - did she really adapt with GX or was GX v. different to GF (I mean GPL is very different to both isn't he?) ? And it took her a second child to correct herself? All those years between GF and GX she could not change - don't tell me she was blind to how crap GF is.

I agree with Kidd so far.

Of course HR realised how crappy GF is, which is why she regulate strict control and discipline on the twins. And yes, what's so wrong in having a second child to correct her parenting way? GF was... well, she's just stuck in a pit already.

Not everyone will do a great job at parenting, and people tend to spoil their firstborn. Why? Because it's their FIRST child!

And I think some people here are overrating HR in a horrible way. Just because she's highly intelligent, some of you thinks that she shouldn't be making mistakes. But even the most intelligent will have his/her trips in life.

BTW, I think one of the main problem is that some of you forget how difficult parenting really is.

[MisterM]

"Little East Heretic" can mean Guo Xiang is unconventional, but also can mean she's a handful. Stricter upbringing prevent her from turning into a total spoilt brat. If Huang Rong was not strict, you might get an unconvention and spoilt Guo Xiang, instead of an unconvention and cute adorable Guo Xiang.

Except that this is not true at all. GX got the "Little East Heretic" nickname because she liked to daydream and boldly did as she pleased, however unlike her sister she never acted like a spoilt brat at all, and she was definitely not as cruel as GF or the young HR either. If GX had been a boy people would have called her bold and heroic, but because she was a girl she got called a heretic instead.

I still maintain. If u blame Huang Rong for how Guo Fung turn out, u should give credit to Huang Rong for how Guo Xiang and Guo Po Lu turned out.

Except that GX did not turn out how HR wanted her to and stayed true to her own personality so she can't take any credit for her, you can only give her "credit" for GF (a menace to society) and GPL (who, from what little we saw of him, gave me the impression of a weakling who was scared of what his mother might do to him if he didn't do exactly what she told him to).

[Extremer88]

Except that GX did not turn out how HR wanted her to and stayed true to her own personality so she can't take any credit for her, you can only give her "credit" for GF (a menace to society) and GPL (who, from what little we saw of him, gave me the impression of a weakling who was scared of what his mother might do to him if he didn't do exactly what she told him to).

GX was the best child out of the three. If she were a boy, I believe she would accomplish a lot more than his father GJ himself, given GX's charisma.

[patricia n]

thanks ken, netdriftr, and k2grey for standing up to your principles.

[shellie]

i love love huang rong and zzr but since there are already votes for huang rong, i'll go ahead and give zzr a boast.