If the Gong Nam 7 Freaks had a brighter student...?

[Ken Cheng]

It was initially believed that Gwok Jing was unable to learn the martial arts of the Gong Nam 7 Freaks because he was an incompetent martial artist. Ma Yuk later revealed that the fault lay not with Gwok Jing for being untalented (he wasn't), but with the Freaks for being ineffective teachers. It was the Freaks' unwise attempt to simultaneously teach Gwok Jing seven very different (and often outright contradictory) styles of martial arts as his foundation that gave him difficulties. Certainly, Gwok Jing showed his penchant for learning martial arts when he later learned and mastered much more sophisticated techniques such as Cheun Jen Sect inner power, Hong Lung 18 Palms, Left/Right Hand Technique, 9 Yum Jen Ging, and Peach Blossom Island martial arts.

So let's give the Freaks a different student: say a very young Yeung Gor or a very young Wong Yung and train them under the same conditions that the Freaks trained Gwok Jing. Will there be a significant difference in the outcome given the Freaks' martial arts and training methods?

[Suet Seung]

Oh? Which Peach Island martial arts did he learn?

[CC]

The smarter student will probably pack up and join Quanzhen instead.

On a more serious note. I do believe a different student (GJ is an idiot savant and freak case) will be able to learn from the 7 freaks. Someone of Z3F's talent might even benefit from the conflicting theories and come up with some wierd DG9J type synthesis.

[Ken Cheng]

Oh? Which Peach Island martial arts did he learn?

At the very least, the Divine Finger Snap. He used it on a few occasions during ROCH (most notably at the Chung Yeung Temple when he brought young Yeung Gor there for the first time).

[AnhHung]

Someone of Z3F's talent might even benefit from the conflicting theories and come up with some wierd DG9J type synthesis.

Someone of his caliber would eventually point out to his teachers that this is not the way to go, that is if he, out of respect, do not dare to oppose his teachers.

IMO the freaks would failed with any students, no matter how smart he/she might be. We are talking about taking in a students with no ma foundation. He/She would not have any clue that the problem lies in the training methods because there would not be any other experience to cross reference.

[CC]

Someone of his caliber would eventually point out to his teachers that this is not the way to go, that is if he, out of respect, do not dare to oppose his teachers.

IMO the freaks would failed with any students, no matter how smart he/she might be. We are talking about taking in a students with no ma foundation. He/She would not have any clue that the problem lies in the training methods because there would not be any other experience to cross reference.

Well, its not as if they were all teaching him at exactly the same time (i.e. all 7 of them shouting instructions to the student at once). It'll be more like, 1 hr with A, then 2 hrs with B, then 1 hr with C, then break 1 hr before another 1 hr with D.

So if you have someone like Xiao Feng, who was supposed to magically master any kung fu taught to him in an instant then why not? By the time the next instructor takes over with lesson 2, lesson 1 will have been mastered and out of the way.

But of course if its a case of 6 guys and 1 girl yelling 7 different instructions of differing philosophies at the same time, no one will be able to take it!

[CFT]

It's no good if the basic foundations of each teacher are contradictory, and they are correcting "bad practice" in each training session - they would just undo each others work.

[AnhHung]

It's no good if the basic foundations of each teacher are contradictory, and they are correcting "bad practice" in each training session - they would just undo each others work.

Exactly. If the first hour he is told that strenght is more important then speed, and the next hour he is told otherwise. Simple example, but u get the picture.

The problem with GJ, I think, is that he is slow and dont understand that different skills has differents foundations and philosophies. Or he has to much respect for his teachers to say something like: "But 4th teacher, 3rd teacher said that this is wrong".

[CC]

Exactly. If the first hour he is told that strenght is more important then speed, and the next hour he is told otherwise. Simple example, but u get the picture..

Which is why if you have a smart alec kung fu wiz, he would be able to figure out for himself that you need strength and speed for different situations and both are needed. Guys like Z3F and XF should be able to absorb it.

[Demonic Swordsman]

but the 7 freaks never taught any internal energy techniques, so any diciple would have have no qi.

[AnhHung]

What, just moves??? Sounds strange to me. Could u explain pls.

[IcyFox]

but the 7 freaks never taught any internal energy techniques, so any diciple would have have no qi.

At the very least they made him do the [Horse Stance] virtually all the time, which paved way for his rapid inner power improvement during his time under Ma Yu.