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    Following the topic Which wuxia characters bear your real surname, I want to come up with a list of popular Chinese surnames AND the best martial artist that corresponds to each name.

    Let's get started. Here are the top 20 most common surnames according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...inese_surnames

    LI / LEE
    WANG / WONG / 王
    ZHANG / CHEUNG
    LIU / LAU
    CHEN / CHAN
    YANG / YEUNG
    HUANG / WONG / 黄
    ZHAO / CHIU
    ZHOU / CHOW
    WU / NG / 吴
    XU / TSUI / 徐
    SUN / SUEN
    ZHU / CHU
    MA
    HU / WOO
    GUO / KWOK
    LIN / LAM
    HE / HO
    GAO / KO
    LIANG / LEUNG
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Huang/wong- huang yao shi
    Guo/kwok- Guo Jing
    Wang/wong- Wang Chong Yang
    zhou/chow- zhou bo tong

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    Feel free to expand the surname coverage to more than the top 20.

    My selective stab:

    LI / LEE - Li Qiushui
    WANG / WONG / 王 - Central Divinity Wang Chongyang
    ZHANG / CHEUNG - Zhang Sanfeng
    LIU / LAU - Liu Chuxuan of the 7 Masters of Quanzhen
    CHEN / CHAN - Black Wind Demon Chen Xuanfeng
    YANG / YEUNG - Yang Guo
    HUANG / WONG / 黄 - Huang Shang, Creator of "9 Yin"
    Zhao - ???
    ZHOU / CHOW - Zhou Botong
    WU / NG / 吴 - ???
    XU / TSUI / 徐 - ???
    SUN / SUEN - ???
    ZHU / CHU - Zhu Ziliu
    MA - Ma Yu
    HU / WOO - ???
    GUO / KWOK - Guo Jing
    LIN / LAM - Lin Chaoying
    HE / HO - He Zudao
    GAO / KO - ??? the only Gao I remember is Third Madam Gao from Ode to Gallantry. She's probably a 6th or 7th level fighter in that novel.
    LIANG / LEUNG - ???

    Notice that for the above, except Li Qiushui, every top fighter comes from the Condor Trilogy
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    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    XU / TSUI / 徐 - ???

    xu zhu, does that count?

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    How about this surnames?

    Di [狄] Di Yun
    Ding [丁] Ding Chunqiu
    Duan [段] Duan Yu
    Miao [苗] Miao Renfeng
    Ren [任] Ren Woxing
    Shi [石] Shi Potian
    Wei [韦] Wei Xiaobao - lol
    Xiao [萧] Xiao Feng
    Dongfang [东方] Dongfang Bubai
    Dugu [独孤] Dugu Qiubai
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    Di Shitian

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ

    CHEN / CHAN - Black Wind Demon Chen Xuanfeng
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    Would Chen JiaLuo be able to defeat Chen XuanFeng?

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    Zhao - Zhao Zilong

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ
    XU / TSUI / 徐 - ???
    SUN / SUEN - ???
    HU / WOO - ???
    LIANG / LEUNG - ???
    Here are some off-hand suggestions for these surnames. These people aren't really great, so please feel free to replace them with better ones.

    Xu = Xu Tianhong (Book/Sword, 7th Leader, the short guy).
    Sun = A tussle between Sun Bu'er (Quanzhen) and Grandma Sun (Ancient Tomb).
    Hu = Hu Yidao (Flying Fox, Hu Fei's father).
    Liang = Liang Ziweng ? (LOCH, agent of Wanyan Honglie).
    Jin Yong's Ode to Gallantry [侠客行].
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    Quote Originally Posted by z@rds
    XU / TSUI / 徐 - ???

    xu zhu, does that count?
    Different Xu character.

    Would Chen JiaLuo be able to defeat Chen XuanFeng?
    if anything, I think Chen Jinnan would have a better chance replacing Chan Kar Lok.

    But, I think both of them would be creamed by the Black Wind Demon.
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    WU / NG / 吴 - Wu Santong, the farmer
    Actually I made a mistake. It is a different Wu character.

    The only powerful Wu that comes to mind is Beggar Brotherhood Elder Wu Changfeng of DGSD.
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    One oddity about the world of wuxia is the preponderance of individuals with the rare double-syllable surnames. These days, you rarely encounter Chinese with such surnames, but in wuxia, it's not unusual to encounter Au Yeungs, Si Mas, Sai Muns, Seung Gwoons, Dook Goos, Mo Yungs, etc....much more often than in the real world.

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    Another point of interest is that a high percentage of the double surname characters tend to be very powerful

    Examples: Linghu Chong, Dugu Qiubai, Dugu Yihe, Dongfang Bubai, Murong Bo, Murong Fu, Ouyang Feng, Gongsun Zhi ; ; ; ; Shangguan Jinhong, Ximen Chuixue, the Nangong family in the Gu Long universe,

    There are fewer such characters with inferior martial arts, and most of them are rather obscure. I can only think of a few (not counting the relatives of the above like Ouyang Ke): Sicong Xuan, the leader of the Divine Agriculture Clan in DGSD; Ximen Guanzhi from Ode to Gallantry (the actual level of this guy is unknown, but he should be pretty good).

    Logical raison d'être: wuxia is set in ancient times, and double surnames are also associated with ancient times. By implementing a bunch of powerful double surnames, it makes us feel closer to the exotic ancient.
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extremer88
    How about this surnames?

    Ding [丁] Ding Chunqiu
    Is he more powerful than Ding Pang?

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    for Li- how about Li Xun Huan?

    or are we not including gu long characters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_One
    Is he more powerful than Ding Pang?
    Not sure...

    Ding Pang was quite powerful with Curved moon sabre, but he's a GL character not a JY character. I think the list only includes JY characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ
    Another point of interest is that a high percentage of the double surname characters tend to be very powerful

    Examples: Linghu Chong, Dugu Qiubai, Dugu Yihe, Dongfang Bubai, Murong Bo, Murong Fu, Ouyang Feng, Gongsun Zhi ; ; ; ; Shangguan Jinhong, Ximen Chuixue, the Nangong family in the Gu Long universe,

    There are fewer such characters with inferior martial arts, and most of them are rather obscure. I can only think of a few (not counting the relatives of the above like Ouyang Ke): Sicong Xuan, the leader of the Divine Agriculture Clan in DGSD; Ximen Guanzhi from Ode to Gallantry (the actual level of this guy is unknown, but he should be pretty good).

    Logical raison d'être: wuxia is set in ancient times, and double surnames are also associated with ancient times. By implementing a bunch of powerful double surnames, it makes us feel closer to the exotic ancient.
    Oh wow I didn't know Ling hu is actually the surname for Linghu Chong, I thought it was just "Ling". But then everyone in the book/series called him Chong Ge so I guess this makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ
    Different Xu character.
    Besides, Xu Zhu's name is only a pseudonym given to all monks according to their ranking. Xu Zhu's real name is never revealed, unless he later uses it as his real name after he's not a monk anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by PJ
    if anything, I think Chen Jinnan would have a better chance replacing Chan Kar Lok.

    But, I think both of them would be creamed by the Black Wind Demon.
    I still think that Chen Jialuo is stronger...probably it's because he's the protagonist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AresInvincible
    I still think that Chen Jialuo is stronger...probably it's because he's the protagonist.
    It's possible, but I doubt it. Chen Xuanfeng is around the same level as Mei Chaofeng and Li Mochou. Those guys would easily defeat somebody like Ke Zhen'e. In the past, experts have debated whether Ke Zhen'e is on the same level as Chen Jinnan or not. Some experts think so, while other experts think not. Now, Chen Jinnan is probably better than Chen Jialuo. So from what other experts have noted, I would rate them like this:

    Chen Xuanfeng/Li Mochou > Chen Jinnan > Chen Jialuo >= Ke Zhen'e
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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