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    Imagine that Gu Long were still alive today and he and Jin Yong were still writing wuxia stories. If, as a fun exercise, they each agreed to write a new novel featuring the *other's* characters, which would you be most interested in reading? In other words, which Jin Yong characters would you like to see interpreted by Gu Long? Which Gu Long characters would you like to see interpreted by Jin Yong?

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    I'd like JY to write about Li XunHuan so that someone can slow down the damn frame rate and lemme see/explain how the dagger works.

    For GL, let him write up on Wei XiaoBao. He doesn't seem to like to write about a main character without a one stroke killer kung fu so fast the publisher couldn't print it in time. Lets see him do this one. As a bonus, he can indulge in his usual pornography with those many many wives of WXB.
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    Ximen Chuxue vs. Dugu Qiu Bai

    DGQB: "So uhmmm...are you gonna make a move or not?"

    XMCS: "No"

    DGQB: "Fine. I'm leaving but I'm gonna write how I kicked your a$$ in great detail!!!"

    XMCS: "Dugu Qiubai truly is Dugu Qiubai."

    DGQB: "WTF?"
    Underneath the fluffly, cudly exterior lies the tormented and complex creature known as the panda.

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    I would have liked to see Gu Long try to write the ROCH characters, and Jin Yong try to write the LUK SIU FUNG characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
    I would have liked to see Gu Long try to write the ROCH characters, and Jin Yong try to write the LUK SIU FUNG characters.
    Ha! You want to see Guo Fu drop her dress right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC
    Ha! You want to see Guo Fu drop her dress right?
    Not particularly, no.

    But I do wonder if Gu Long could make Yeung Gor more manly and less whiney, and if Jin Yong could intricately describe every detail of Sai Mun Chui Sheut's sword technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC
    Ha! You want to see Guo Fu drop her dress right?
    Not sure about Ken, but when I read that, I was thinking about the older HR.
    "Anything you can't say NO to is your MASTER, and you are its SLAVE."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
    Not particularly, no.

    But I do wonder if Gu Long could make Yeung Gor more manly and less whiney, and if Jin Yong could intricately describe every detail of Sai Mun Chui Sheut's sword technique.
    Yang Guo would have endless bed scenes and numerous female characters of ROCH will be exploited and defiled. And yes including the older HR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CC
    Ha! You want to see Guo Fu drop her dress right?
    Actually, I would prefer seeing YG doing a threesome with GF and XLN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkineePanda
    Yang Guo would have endless bed scenes and numerous female characters of ROCH will be exploited and defiled. And yes including the older HR.
    The Mongolians would have lots of special hired swordnerds from Japan who would be very mysterious about their sword skills but get mysteriously killed when readers aren't paying attention. A third of the novel would be about a young friend of Hua Do and how he became so powerful, but just before he ever got the chance to meet any of our main characters, he disappeared, never to be heard from again.

    There would be an enormous build-up to the fight we're all desperately waiting for: YG v.s GJ. However, just before they started killing each other, the South Sea Divine Nun appeared, told everyone that GJ was actually YG's daddy. They stopped the fight before it started, erotically hugged each other and lived happily ever after. Readers would be too distracted by this thrilling ending that they forgot about the 2002 Great-level fighters that got killed in the previous page by a mysterious old man who loved chess and cheap wine, accompanied by a young girl who was in love with both YG and GJ.

    I'm sure Master GL's imagination would be 1000 times richer than mine.
    "Anything you can't say NO to is your MASTER, and you are its SLAVE."

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    I would love to see JY giving the GL girls some personality and colour to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candide
    The Mongolians would have lots of special hired swordnerds from Japan who would be very mysterious about their sword skills but get mysteriously killed when readers aren't paying attention. A third of the novel would be about a young friend of Hua Do and how he became so powerful, but just before he ever got the chance to meet any of our main characters, he disappeared, never to be heard from again.

    There would be an enormous build-up to the fight we're all desperately waiting for: YG v.s GJ. However, just before they started killing each other, the South Sea Divine Nun appeared, told everyone that GJ was actually YG's daddy. They stopped the fight before it started, erotically hugged each other and lived happily ever after. Readers would be too distracted by this thrilling ending that they forgot about the 2002 Great-level fighters that got killed in the previous page by a mysterious old man who loved chess and cheap wine, accompanied by a young girl who was in love with both YG and GJ.

    I'm sure Master GL's imagination would be 1000 times richer than mine.
    Of course it is. That's why his novels are read and discussed by millions of people.

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    GL takes a lot of hits around here, which always strikes me as odd. 'House flavor' I guess.

    I'd rather not see JY get his hands on the books with multiple 'supreme' techniques, myself. And especially not Li's flying dagger! It's so much stronger as a character trait if it's a semi-mystical 'instant kill!' technique. Explaining the how and why would really damage the premise that Li and his contemporaries had reached the 'no weapon' or 'no moves' level of martial arts - I can't think of anyone in JY who uses martial arts on the 'intent' level.

    I would like JY to take The Sword and the Exquisiteness out of GL's hands, though - the Wulin-politics-heavy and martial-arts-school-concerned setting of that novel suits JY a lot, and the ending as is *is* a terrible rush job worthy of Candide's sarcasm. And Yu Peiyu certainly matches the unstoppable level of a young JY hero.

    Hrm. Zhang Wuji, written with an injection of GL's wit, would certainly simmer a bit more than the quasi-pacifist we've got. That might be interesting for the 'slow/moral/absent-minded' heroes - GJ and his like - having them redone by an author who emphasizes wit and wordplay.

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    i'd love to see JY infuse more humanity, personality, and shades of gray to GL's characters -- they tend to be flat, stereotypical, and way too black-and-white (i.e. definitely evil, definitely good). i'd also love to see how JY could tie up loose ends, especially for characters that just pop in and out from nowhere.

    i'd love to see GL handle the fight scenes because i find JY's tediously long (not as long as LYS, but getting there). i'd love to see what sort of sarcasm GL could introduce to characters like WXB, YG, and HR.

    i wonder what sort of friendship CLX and YG would have, or maybe LXF and HYS.

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    well, they both have their good parts.
    GL: plot: the unexpected. And noticeably more inappropritate scenes, but at least those scenes weren't described in detail .
    JY: No doubt the description of the martial arts is better but also the way they got the martial arts is very detailed.
    GL is a better novel writer. JY is a better wuxia writer.

    But honestly, I seriously can't imagine YG being moved into Gulong's novel(of course Gugu doesn't exist so he's not obsessed about one girl and YG still has the same incredible martial arts), I can't imagine it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unruly
    It's so much stronger as a character trait if it's a semi-mystical 'instant kill!' technique.
    Hardly a character trait when most characters in the book have it and not to mention it's also overused in all other books he wrote.
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    Hardly a character trait when most characters in the book have it and not to mention it's also overused in all other books he wrote.
    Hey, you don't like the way GL handles things. I get it. I've been on the boards like two weeks and you've already drilled it into my head. Did I say 'and everyone should agree with me!'? The use of that particular GL quirk in regards to Li's dagger, for me as a reader, was more impressive/meaningful/interesting. While others in the novel have a similar skill, nothing is given as much emphasis or struck me as being 'as interesting' - a flying knife suitable to keep all of Shaolin at bay!

    I liked it, and frankly it is a flag of the character - a martial skill that makes him stand out, like ZWJ's 9 Yang. GL emphasizes the 'theoretical' high end of martial arts, where forms and variations are extraneous - JY doesn't think in terms of that, for the most part. You call it 'artistic laziness' and I call it 'house flavor'. And the wonderful thing is, we're both right. But I think that Li Xun Huan *needs* to be at a supreme tier of martial arts like he is, because his gregarious nature makes any scene where he exchanges 500 palm blows a la a LOCH great seem...incongruous. Yu Peiyu is more that sort of guy, yeah?

    So. I have my sand castle, you have yours. We can still share a sandbox, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkineePanda
    Yang Guo would have endless bed scenes and numerous female characters of ROCH will be exploited and defiled. And yes including the older HR.
    LOL

    I would like JY to take The Sword and the Exquisiteness out of GL's hands, though - the Wulin-politics-heavy and martial-arts-school-concerned setting of that novel suits JY a lot, and the ending as is *is* a terrible rush job worthy of Candide's sarcasm. And Yu Peiyu certainly matches the unstoppable level of a young JY hero.
    Same.

    I love several Gu Long's novels, and Smiling Proud Wanderer is my favorite Jin Yong novel, although I'm not really a fan of the Condor Trilogy. I can see Jin Yong expanding on some Gu Long novels such as TSATE, but not ones like Sentimental Swordsman Ruthless Sword. If you make Ah Fei fight with a lot of fluff, he won't be the beast that grew up by himself in the freezing forest anymore.

    I prefer weapon fights, even brief ones, to 2 guys moving their palms around for several hundred moves with the fight almost always ending in a draw, with no one getting hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candide View Post
    Not sure about Ken, but when I read that, I was thinking about the older HR.
    The older HR is too young for Ken, maybe Qiu Qian Chi will interest him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarakoth View Post
    The older HR is too young for Ken, maybe Qiu Qian Chi will interest him.
    Nothing more hot than a bald, scrawny old lady crawling on the floor spitting things at you...yummies
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