Confusion about origin of 6MSJ

[TommyH]

I started watching TVB's DGSD 1997 recently and I got confused. I thought Duan Yu obtained the 6MSJ manual through the underwater cavern. But in the series 6MSJ is the Duan family's skill (along with 1YZ). So what is the real origin of 6MSJ? And if 6MSJ really is the skill of the Duan's why did some monks know it? And why did Emperor Baoding become a monk?

[Whsie]

Lol..... tv adaptions.

6MSJ is Dali Duan Faimly's.
The Celestial Monks were part of the Dali kingdom.

[TommyH]

Lol..... tv adaptions.

6MSJ is Dali Duan Faimly's.
The Celestial Monks were part of the Dali kingdom.

Ohh...I remember reading a part in the DGSD translation in WuxiaPedia where Duan Yu finds the scroll in the underwater cavern. Doesn't the scroll include 6MSJ? Or is it just LBWB and BMSG.

[Whsie]

Ohh...I remember reading a part in the DGSD translation in WuxiaPedia where Duan Yu finds the scroll in the underwater cavern. Doesn't the scroll include 6MSJ? Or is it just LBWB and BMSG.

That is mainly LBWB.

[K2Grey]

The scroll in the cavern contained BMSG (with some very interesting accompanying illustrations) and LBWB.

DY got 6MSJ at Tianlong Shi (Celestial Dragon Monastery).

I'm not sure if even Dali Emperor Duan Zhengming (which you write as Baoding) knew 6MSJ really existed. But 6MSJ is definitely a skill of the House of Duan, even though everyone seems to use Yiyang Zhi and Duanjia Jianfa instead. Kids these days. Back in my day, we learned 6MSJ when we were six...

[Whsie]

I think Duan Zhengming didn't knew about it. When he first heard about it, he thought 6MSJ was just a legend.

[TommyH]

And can someone explain why Emperor Baoding become a monk?

[Extremer88]

The scroll in the cavern contained BMSG (with some very interesting accompanying illustrations) and LBWB.

The pictures of DY's beloved fairy sister.

[TommyH]

The pictures of DY's beloved fairy sister.

His grandmother-in-law...

[mawguy]

And can someone explain why Emperor Baoding become a monk?

i believe it was a family tradition for the emperor to abdicate and become a monk in his later years. that was their way of (1) ensuring that the country was ruled by a competent emperor and (2) attaining "good karma" for the family/country.

baoding was ready to abdicate earlier than his predecessors because he "had a taste" of a monk's life when he helped the senior monks fight against the tibetan monk (kao mo chi -- sorry, can't recall the pinyin at the moment). he was even more pleased that duan yu would succeed him after finding out who DY's biological father was -- after all, that was the rightful heir to the throne.

[HuangYushi]

And can someone explain why Emperor Baoding become a monk?

i believe it was a family tradition for the emperor to abdicate and become a monk in his later years. that was their way of (1) ensuring that the country was ruled by a competent emperor and (2) attaining "good karma" for the family/country.

baoding was ready to abdicate earlier than his predecessors because he "had a taste" of a monk's life when he helped the senior monks fight against the tibetan monk (kao mo chi -- sorry, can't recall the pinyin at the moment).

In addition, [Duan Zhengming/Baoding] became a monk for a totally different reason [than the one in real-life]:

Chapter 10 (both 2nd and 3rd editions)

[At the Temple of the Celestial Dragon,] the Emperor Baoding said [to the Abbot Benyin]: "There are no words to describe my gratitude, Benevolent and Virtuous Abbot. But I wonder, is there even a little that I can contribute to the issue of dealing with the Enlightened Lord of the Great Wheel [大轮明王 Da4 Lun2 Ming2 Wang2]?"

"If we were to learn the Phenomenal Swords of Six Channels [六脉神剑 Liu4 Mai4 Shen2 Jian4] individually, none of us would succeed," said Kurong unexpectedly. "We just do not have sufficient internal strength to do it. But I have thought of a way that might do the trick. We will learn the sword of one channel each, but all six of us must exercise the technique together. Although it is better to refrain from violence than to fight six-to-one, we are not in this battle for individual supremacy in martial arts. Instead, we are doing this to protect our documents and temple. So, there is nothing anyone can say even if we send a hundred men out against him. The only problem is, we cannot find a sixth pugilist whose level of cultivation in finger-strength is equivalent to ours here in the Temple of the Celestial Dragon. Therefore, we have found it difficult to make a decision on this plan. Zhengming, you should just join in and make up the number. However, you would have to shave your head bald and dress like a monk for the plan to work." The pace of his speech increased as he spoke, as if he was feeling excited, but his tone remained icy-cold.

"It has always been my aspiration to have myself proclaimed as a Buddhist," said the Emperor Baoding, "but I have never heard of the profound mysteries of the Phenomenal Swords. Now that we are pressed for time, I am afraid..."

[The Abbot] Benyin spoke: "Zhengming, you are the King of Dali. Putting on a different set of clothes may be an expedient solution, but if the other party sees through the disguise, the mighty name of the Kingdom of Dali will certainly be damaged. There are both advantages and disadvantages to the plan, so I hope you will consider them before making a decision."

Putting his palms together, the Emperor Baoding replied: "I am duty-bound not to turn my back on protecting my beliefs and the temple."

"Very good," said Benyin. "However, since the Phenomenal Swords of Six Channels cannot be taught to secular disciples, you would have to take the tonsure before we can start training you. After our strong opponents have been beaten, you can resume your secular life."

The Emperor Baoding stood up and knelt with both his knees on the ground. "Please exercise your benevolence, Great Master," he said.

"Come over here," replied the Great Master Kurong. "I will give you the tonsure."

Source: http://wuxiapedia.com/research/history/duan_family

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he was even more pleased that duan yu would succeed him after finding out who DY's biological father was -- after all, that was the rightful heir to the throne.

Could you please remind me which chapter that came from? Thanks!

[mawguy]

sorry for the delay in replying! it's chapter 48:

段誉毫不隐瞒，将途中经历一一禀明，连段夫人的言语也无半句遗漏，说罢又拜，泣道：“倘若爹爹真不是孩儿的 亲生之父，孩儿便是孽种，再也不能……不能在大理住了。”
　　段正明心惊之余，连叹：“冤孽、冤孽！”伸手扶起段誉，说道：“孩儿，此中缘由，世上唯你和段延庆二人 得知，你原本不须向我禀明，但你竟然直言无隐，足见坦诚，我与你爹爹均无子嗣，别说你本就姓段，就算不是姓 段，我也决意立你为嗣，我这皇位，本来是延庆太子的，我窍居其位数十年，心中常自惭愧，上天如此安排，当真 再好也没有。”说着伸手除下头上黄缎便帽，头上已剃光了头发，顶门上烧着十二点香疤。
　　段誉吃了一惊，叫道：“伯父，你……”段正明道：“那日在天龙寺抵御鸠摩智，师父便已为我剃度传戒，此 事你所亲见。”段誉道：“是。”段正明说道：“我身入佛门，便当传位于你父。只因其时你父身在中原，国不可 一日无君，我才不得不秉承师父之命，暂摄帝位。你父不幸身亡于道路之间，今日我便传位于佻。”
　　段誉惊讶更甚，说道：“孩儿年轻识浅，如何能当大位？何况孩儿身世难明，孩儿……我……还是循迹山林… …”
　　段正明喝道：“身世之事，从今再也休提。你父、你母待你如何？”
　　段誉呜咽道：“亲恩深重，如海如山。”
　　段正明道：“这就是了，你若想报答亲恩，便当保全他们的令名。做皇帝吗，你只段牢记两件事，第一是爱民 ，第二是纳谏。你天性仁厚，对百姓是不会暴虐的。只是将来年纪渐老之时，千万不可自恃聪明，于国事妄作更张 ，更不可对邻国擅动刀兵。”

[hkopinions]

So after all of the emperor's became monls--what happen to their wives?

[Tazzy1972]

becone nuns??