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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkly_Chic View Post
    I thought I saw the scene with MLJ and YX praying in the temple together at the part where MLJ first came to the capital to test and stayed near the temple. YX was kneeling behind MLJ, so MLJ didn't see her, whearas YX didn't think the 'male' in front of her was MLJ.
    realli? then i must have missed or accidentally fast-fowarded through tats scene. but wats about te other scene with MLJ (in her blue maiden outfit) holding an umbrella n passing by HFSH?
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    From her outfit, it looked like the scene took place before MLJ's family was in trouble and was thrown into poverty. (I don't think she sported that hairstyle when she dressed as a girl after she came to the capital?)
    I kinda fast-forwarded a little bit at the beginning of the series too...so I might have missed this scene. Talking about hairstyle, I really like the simple hairstyle that she had, with the big bow in the back, towards the end with the white outfit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkly_Chic View Post
    From her outfit, it looked like the scene took place before MLJ's family was in trouble and was thrown into poverty. (I don't think she sported that hairstyle when she dressed as a girl after she came to the capital?)
    I kinda fast-forwarded a little bit at the beginning of the series too...so I might have missed this scene. Talking about hairstyle, I really like the simple hairstyle that she had, with the big bow in the back, towards the end with the white outfit.

    I thought that might be in episode 2 or 3 when HFSH was trying to return her the 'lotus dew' that he spilled or perhaps when they're trying to meet each other in the temple for the first time? I think in one of the scenes she spent a night with HFSH looking at the stars too. That was one of the more memorable moments with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefertari View Post
    I think in one of the scenes she spent a night with HFSH looking at the stars too. That was one of the more memorable moments with him.
    I think that's the scene where they really got to know each other. It was the scene after they missed each other at the temple, and HSFH was attacked along the way down the mountains, and LBB happened upon them fighting, one of the attackers seized her, and she injured her ankle in the process. I could feel the intensity of the attraction between them when they were sitting side by side watching the stars and talking.

    Btw, does anyone else think that the beginning scene where Yin Xue was sitting on the horse w/ Liu Kui Bi when he was escorting her home after they first met a little too intimate? I mean, she was practically sitting on his lab on the horse...and I know how conservative the Chinese were during that time.

    Kinda off-topic-ish...but here's a pic of "the king" in regular clothing- He's darn cute.
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    can someone spoil this for me? i read somewhere that both li bingbing and huang hai bing die at the end. is it true?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChineseChik525 View Post
    can someone spoil this for me? i read somewhere that both li bingbing and huang hai bing die at the end. is it true?
    Hmm...nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Zhuge View Post
    Hmm...nope.
    oh. ok. do they end up being together? like, with only each other or does the guy do the whole marry three women thing?


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    is this series going to be a sad one? because the preview makes it looks sad and dramatic. but will finish it anyhow. i'm only on episode 1. so still have a long way to go.
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    oh wow, this series is actually very good. i love the storyline a lot, especially how they all tried to think of a way to get rid of the bad guys.
    Meng Lijun is so freaking awesome. she is like the most perfect human being alive. she is good at almost everything; politics, medicine, psychology, the flute, and war plans. she's like a genius. the only thing she doesn't know is kung fu. i would have fallen in love with her too. and lastly, she's very pretty and kind. so sad the person didn't really exist back then.

    anyways, the music and the casts were good too.
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    Sorry, I'm a little late here since I've just started on this drama... Does anyone have the theme song? I like the song pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyWalker View Post
    I never read the novel but I remember seeing a very very very old Taiwanese version back in the 80s and the storyline is completely different than the one TVB produced. The older version sounds exactly like this new one so I'm assuming these two are more accurate to the novel. The TVB one is completely butchered!!! People liked it b/c of Ray & Michelle but the storyline was horrible. The older version has the main guy marrying 3 girls too and I didn't like it cuz I thought he only loves MLJ.
    In the novel, he did marry the 3 of them and I actually liked that since they all love him. The 3 of them get along as well. My mom said that Liu Yan Yu was the nicest one though. What happened in this version? Did he not marry all 3 of them??? I have not seen this yet but hearing that it is a good adaption of the novel, I want to get it for my mom.
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    I thought the emperor had fairly good features, but that modern pic of him looks hot ! I found him such a good actor.

    Quote Originally Posted by L4love
    Meng Lijun is so freaking awesome. she is like the most perfect human being alive. she is good at almost everything; politics, medicine, psychology, the flute, and war plans. she's like a genius. the only thing she doesn't know is kung fu. i would have fallen in love with her too. and lastly, she's very pretty and kind. so sad the person didn't really exist back then.
    No, she wasn't necessarily good at medicine. Just a good researcher . She said so herself, when she gained an apparent reputation for being a great doctor. Although, a later bit when she was putting needles in the emperor's head seems to suggest a certain level of mastery. Not very coherent though with the lack of time spent learning medicine. I think medicine and knowledge of the human body are one of the few areas where one cannot be innately skilled.

    No, she wasn't necessarily good at military strategy either. She's phenomenally astute, which tides her over. She more or less won a political war, not a military war. If MLJ was put in charge of an army fighting another army, then we could see if she was a good military commander.

    She can read people very accurately, but I accord that to her very refined intuition. If MLJ was truly versed with psychology, she would've been aware of personal feelings and situational emotions. She got angry more than once, when it would've been wiser to keep her cool.

    Well, someone like MLJ could've existed back then. Just that she was a woman, and men write history...about men, fancy that .

    Quote Originally Posted by Trinie
    In the novel, he did marry the 3 of them and I actually liked that since they all love him.
    Well, the guy marrying 3 woman sort of detracts from the theme of the story IMO. We have this story of this fabulous woman, deserved to be respected as a successful person in her own right, ready to resist conformity to traditions that confine women to a meaningless existence, yet at the end of the day, she still has to share a husband!

    The rule was, a man could and even encouraged to have '3 wives and 4 concubines', while it was social death for a woman to even think about remarrying if her betrothed happens to die on her. That's one blatant case of gender inequality.

    To have a story like MLJ's end with gender inequality is one big contraindication, methinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NuDaFu View Post
    I thought the emperor had fairly good features, but that modern pic of him looks hot ! I found him such a good actor.



    No, she wasn't necessarily good at medicine. Just a good researcher . She said so herself, when she gained an apparent reputation for being a great doctor. Although, a later bit when she was putting needles in the emperor's head seems to suggest a certain level of mastery. Not very coherent though with the lack of time spent learning medicine. I think medicine and knowledge of the human body are one of the few areas where one cannot be innately skilled.

    No, she wasn't necessarily good at military strategy either. She's phenomenally astute, which tides her over. She more or less won a political war, not a military war. If MLJ was put in charge of an army fighting another army, then we could see if she was a good military commander.

    She can read people very accurately, but I accord that to her very refined intuition. If MLJ was truly versed with psychology, she would've been aware of personal feelings and situational emotions. She got angry more than once, when it would've been wiser to keep her cool.

    Well, someone like MLJ could've existed back then. Just that she was a woman, and men write history...about men, fancy that .



    Well, the guy marrying 3 woman sort of detracts from the theme of the story IMO. We have this story of this fabulous woman, deserved to be respected as a successful person in her own right, ready to resist conformity to traditions that confine women to a meaningless existence, yet at the end of the day, she still has to share a husband!

    The rule was, a man could and even encouraged to have '3 wives and 4 concubines', while it was social death for a woman to even think about remarrying if her betrothed happens to die on her. That's one blatant case of gender inequality.

    To have a story like MLJ's end with gender inequality is one big contraindication, methinks.
    Did you see the series NuDaFu? Was it accurate to the novel? I thought she was good at medicine since I heard that she saved the life of the king's mom. Therefore, when they discovered that she was a woman, they were going to execute her because pretending to be a man was a big crime back then. However, she saved the king's mom's life so she decided to forgive her for that big crime.

    Well, all 3 of those girls all loved Huang Fu Shao Hua so it would have been sad to only marry MLJ. MLJ got along well with them and liked them as well. If he only choose her then what would the other 2 girls do? I can understand what you are saying though. We can clearly see the gender inequality back then and even today in some cases as well....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinie
    Did you see the series NuDaFu? Was it accurate to the novel?
    Yes, I have seen the series.

    No, I haven't read the novel, so I can't compare. Is the novel under the same name, and who's the author?

    I thought she was good at medicine since I heard that she saved the life of the king's mom. Therefore, when they discovered that she was a woman, they were going to execute her because pretending to be a man was a big crime back then. However, she saved the king's mom's life so she decided to forgive her for that big crime.
    When MLJ was called to heal the empress dowager of her condition (just a severe case of indigestion ), MLJ was shown to doubt herself. She had to look up what to do. She eventually used the same technique as her medical mentor, when he resolved her servant girl's indigestion. She then had the empress dowager drink a concotion with ants? (definitely some familiar insect) to further assist with appetite. Bao He Wan would've been fine . I practice Chinese Medicine myself, so I am quite sure what MLJ wasn't half as miraculous as what the show made it out to be. Actually, I think the resolution rather melodramatic for what the condition was.

    No, the court did not forgive MLJ for her deception - at least in this adaptation. Saving the empress dowager had nothing to do with the end. MLJ survived in the end due to the emperor's ingenious plan. He's so cool!

    Well, all 3 of those girls all loved Huang Fu Shao Hua so it would have been sad to only marry MLJ.
    Personally, I don't see the link between love and obligation to marriage. If A loves B, that doesn't necessarily = marriage, either the obligation to or the inclination for it.

    If he only choose her then what would the other 2 girls do?
    Well, they could either do something with their lives or find husbands of their own. Don't mind me, I'm just being a smart alec .

    Seriously though, just because the other 2 girls found they loved HFSH, doesn't rule out that they may not be happy with someone else, or even love again.

    It's not really sad IMO, but just disappointing. I don't think it's as simple as, if you love someone, you definitely are and/or should be with them.
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    ok i just want to be spoiled. who, if anyone, does she end up with? and does the emperor (he's the guy from zhao wei's version of qing shen shen yu meng meng!) like her or something? i havent seen this yet, but i was wondering if it was worth a watch?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NuDaFu View Post
    Yes, I have seen the series.

    No, I haven't read the novel, so I can't compare. Is the novel under the same name, and who's the author?



    When MLJ was called to heal the empress dowager of her condition (just a severe case of indigestion ), MLJ was shown to doubt herself. She had to look up what to do. She eventually used the same technique as her medical mentor, when he resolved her servant girl's indigestion. She then had the empress dowager drink a concotion with ants? (definitely some familiar insect) to further assist with appetite. Bao He Wan would've been fine . I practice Chinese Medicine myself, so I am quite sure what MLJ wasn't half as miraculous as what the show made it out to be. Actually, I think the resolution rather melodramatic for what the condition was.

    No, the court did not forgive MLJ for her deception - at least in this adaptation. Saving the empress dowager had nothing to do with the end. MLJ survived in the end due to the emperor's ingenious plan. He's so cool!



    Personally, I don't see the link between love and obligation to marriage. If A loves B, that doesn't necessarily = marriage, either the obligation to or the inclination for it.



    Well, they could either do something with their lives or find husbands of their own. Don't mind me, I'm just being a smart alec .

    Seriously though, just because the other 2 girls found they loved HFSH, doesn't rule out that they may not be happy with someone else, or even love again.

    It's not really sad IMO, but just disappointing. I don't think it's as simple as, if you love someone, you definitely are and/or should be with them.
    Yea, the novel is the same name but I forgot who the author was. My mom has read it many many times and loves it. She was soo disappointed with the TVB version since they really butchered up the story. Did you see the TVB version? IF you have and it is different from this one then there is a good chance that this one is more accurate to the novel.

    I think in the novel, it made her intelligent so even if she was not really knowledgeable in the area of medicine, she was still able to pull through. My mom told me that in the novel(if I remember correctly)the empress dowager forgave her for her crime since she saved her. I guess they may have changed it in this adaption.

    I personally believe that if you really love a person and can be with them, then you should get married. If not, then why do want to be with them?? That is just what I think though.

    I also don't see a big problem with all 3 of them marrying HFSH since they all get along really well. IF they didn't then that is a different story... But I can see what you mean. They could have found other people to love and marry as well.

    I totally agree with you that just because you love someone does not mean that you can be with them. That is really sad but true... What was the ending in this series though? I don't mind getting spoiled because I want to see if it is accurate to the novel or not.
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    Series ending,

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    In the end, the emperor loves MLJ so much to know that she needs to be free. He realises that forcing her to be his empress would chain her down.

    The emperor sends a box containing dead/rotting ginseng on the top, and in a secret compartment underneath, a fresh ginseng. MLJ gets the message (fake your death to escape!).

    MLJ goes to court dressed as a female for the first time. She admits to all faults and runs into a pillar to commit suicide. This is enacted very realistically in the drama, so even I had a moment of doubt if she really died after all.

    As MLJ was had helped the court in the past so much, the emperor honours her by having MLJ's legal/adminstrative ideals announced as an edit/law.

    We then see HFSH forlornly preparing to ship back to his hometown. He smells a very familiar tea aroma while on the boat. When he stands up to investigate, he sees the other passenger stand up as well...it is MLJ. The very happy end .


    Quote Originally Posted by Trinie
    I think in the novel, it made her intelligent so even if she was not really knowledgeable in the area of medicine, she was still able to pull through.
    Honey, I find that far-fetched even in fiction. I'm fairly versed in medicine from the Western end of the spectrum to the Chinese, and quite a lot in between. Lack of knowledge of medicine and especially the human body gets one nowhere, despite intelligence. Unless of course MLJ is a natural born medical intuitive, even that needs to be developed.

    I'm not doubting you though. I'm just doubting the potential audacity of the novel to suggest such nonsense. Then again, not all fictional works are obligated to be technically exact.

    I have to go read that novel...I get annoyed at referring to material I haven't personally seen.

    I personally believe that if you really love a person and can be with them, then you should get married. If not, then why do want to be with them?? That is just what I think though.

    I also don't see a big problem with all 3 of them marrying HFSH since they all get along really well. IF they didn't then that is a different story... But I can see what you mean. They could have found other people to love and marry as well.
    Funny, I'm discussing the philosophical points on love and marriage here and Asiafanatics.

    Marriage, in most respects, is foremost a formal show of commitment, and secondly a legality. There is no tangible nor obligatory link between the feelings of a couple and marriage. There can still be a significant level of unspoken commitment, regardless of the decision to marry, and vice versa.

    In a given utopian situation, if being with a loved one is purely unconditional, marriage shouldn't make one jot of difference to the relationship.

    I see a problem with polygamy (I suppose our major legal systems do as well, seeing as it's a typically outlawed practice). All the 3 ladies getting along well may not last if HFSH starts showing intentional or unintentional favouritism...we know that will happen considering that he loves MLJ the most. Even if this never becomes a problem, what about the children? How would their parents's relationships reflect on them?

    My point of view is also from a Yin and Yang perspective. Do we often find one Yang happily in balance with more than one Yin? Nope, it's always one Yang to one Yin. Seeing as this concept influences so much of Chinese culture, I always found it strange that polygamy was so accepted and even encouraged. Then again, I see that as a result of patriachial social influences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NuDaFu View Post
    Series ending,

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    In the end, the emperor loves MLJ so much to know that she needs to be free. He realises that forcing her to be his empress would chain her down.

    The emperor sends a box containing dead/rotting ginseng on the top, and in a secret compartment underneath, a fresh ginseng. MLJ gets the message (fake your death to escape!).

    MLJ goes to court dressed as a female for the first time. She admits to all faults and runs into a pillar to commit suicide. This is enacted very realistically in the drama, so even I had a moment of doubt if she really died after all.

    As MLJ was had helped the court in the past so much, the emperor honours her by having MLJ's legal/adminstrative ideals announced as an edit/law.

    We then see HFSH forlornly preparing to ship back to his hometown. He smells a very familiar tea aroma while on the boat. When he stands up to investigate, he sees the other passenger stand up as well...it is MLJ. The very happy end .
    click to show/hide spoilers
    so basically the emperor loves MLJ but she loves another guy? and in the end she ends up with the other guy?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NuDaFu View Post
    Series ending,

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    In the end, the emperor loves MLJ so much to know that she needs to be free. He realises that forcing her to be his empress would chain her down.

    The emperor sends a box containing dead/rotting ginseng on the top, and in a secret compartment underneath, a fresh ginseng. MLJ gets the message (fake your death to escape!).

    MLJ goes to court dressed as a female for the first time. She admits to all faults and runs into a pillar to commit suicide. This is enacted very realistically in the drama, so even I had a moment of doubt if she really died after all.

    As MLJ was had helped the court in the past so much, the emperor honours her by having MLJ's legal/adminstrative ideals announced as an edit/law.

    We then see HFSH forlornly preparing to ship back to his hometown. He smells a very familiar tea aroma while on the boat. When he stands up to investigate, he sees the other passenger stand up as well...it is MLJ. The very happy end .




    Honey, I find that far-fetched even in fiction. I'm fairly versed in medicine from the Western end of the spectrum to the Chinese, and quite a lot in between. Lack of knowledge of medicine and especially the human body gets one nowhere, despite intelligence. Unless of course MLJ is a natural born medical intuitive, even that needs to be developed.

    I'm not doubting you though. I'm just doubting the potential audacity of the novel to suggest such nonsense. Then again, not all fictional works are obligated to be technically exact.

    I have to go read that novel...I get annoyed at referring to material I haven't personally seen.



    Funny, I'm discussing the philosophical points on love and marriage here and Asiafanatics.

    Marriage, in most respects, is foremost a formal show of commitment, and secondly a legality. There is no tangible nor obligatory link between the feelings of a couple and marriage. There can still be a significant level of unspoken commitment, regardless of the decision to marry, and vice versa.

    In a given utopian situation, if being with a loved one is purely unconditional, marriage shouldn't make one jot of difference to the relationship.

    I see a problem with polygamy (I suppose our major legal systems do as well, seeing as it's a typically outlawed practice). All the 3 ladies getting along well may not last if HFSH starts showing intentional or unintentional favouritism...we know that will happen considering that he loves MLJ the most. Even if this never becomes a problem, what about the children? How would their parents's relationships reflect on them?

    My point of view is also from a Yin and Yang perspective. Do we often find one Yang happily in balance with more than one Yin? Nope, it's always one Yang to one Yin. Seeing as this concept influences so much of Chinese culture, I always found it strange that polygamy was so accepted and even encouraged. Then again, I see that as a result of patriachial social influences.
    Thanks so much for sharing the ending with me NuDaFu. It sounds like a good ending and I bet some people like that ending more than the ending in the novel.

    I totally agree with you and having medical skills is something that you need to really learn and develop just like with any skill. That is why I get annoyed at some of my relatives that keep on bragging about one of my distant cousins and saying that she wil become a doctor when she is no where near it. She is not smart enough to study medicine. It's just Asians wanting to brag and praise their children because they all believe being a doctor or anything in the medical field is prestigious. I am not saying that it isn't but I think it is pathetic to brag about it when you are never ever going to make it..

    I personally have not read the novel myself since I get lazy to read long novels. I just hear my mom go on and on about it because she has read that novel several times and loves it. She always says how skilled MLJ is in medicine and many other areas. The only thing she didn't know was martial arts. But you know how fake and far fetched fiction can go so I am not that surprised.

    I know what you mean, but once again.. This is all fiction. There was also a story about their children too... My mom told me about that as well but I don't remember very much about it. I need to ask her again.I just remember that one of MLJ's daughters is princess Fei Yao(Fei Yao Jun Zhu). She was a reincarnation of some dragon and wanted to seek revenge on one of the generals because he killed her in the past life. Therefore, she reincarnated into MLJ's daughter to get revenge on him. Later I think she was punished or executed for killing him or something like that...

    I can see what you mean about marriage and relationships. My mom strongly believes in marriage and hates it when 2 people are together but are not married. She thinks they are not serious. I guess it is because marriage provides a more secure bond while if you are just "dating" someone, you can just leave them just like that. But with marriage, it is not as easy since you have a marriage certificate and all that...Even though it is only a piece of paper, it is a piece of paper that has a lot of power behind it...
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