Weight in the Acting Industry

[pemberly]

yeah, i like the VS models, too. but i think giselle bundchen has the best body. ever. i am very jealous of her arms. they're toned, but not too muscular...so perfect...jealous.

but you would never see a VS model doing serious high fashion runway.

[Cacophony]

yeah, i like the VS models, too. but i think giselle bundchen has the best body. ever. i am very jealous of her arms. they're toned, but not too muscular...so perfect...jealous.

but you would never see a VS model doing serious high fashion runway.

Lol only Gisele does do serious high fashion runway. And so do a lot of VS models. Most of them are actually just as skinny as all models.

And if you're jealous of her arms, maybe you should start working yours out?

[Sugar]

Lol only Gisele does do serious high fashion runway. And so do a lot of VS models. Most of them are actually just as skinny as all models.

And if you're jealous of her arms, maybe you should start working yours out?

eh.. too many factors. Some people are born with the perfect model body while others can work out forever.. but really can't match

[Cacophony]

eh.. too many factors. Some people are born with the perfect model body while others can work out forever.. but really can't match

Aww, never say never! I think anything's possible. Besides there's no real thing as "perfection." And model "perfection" isn't everyone's idea of beauty.

[pemberly]

Lol only Gisele does do serious high fashion runway. And so do a lot of VS models. Most of them are actually just as skinny as all models.

And if you're jealous of her arms, maybe you should start working yours out?

no....they're more commercial models. you don't see them walking down yohji yamamoto or karl lagerfield's cat walks. you will see them in print ads for LV and other high end brands, but the cat walks are ruled by the 15 yr old twigs. some of the VS models might have done high fashion runway in the beginning of their careers, but filled out and moved on to more lucrative opportunities like VS.

and...eh...working out takes...work.

[Cacophony]

no....they're more commercial models. you don't see them walking down yohji yamamoto or karl lagerfield's cat walks. you will see them in print ads for LV and other high end brands, but the cat walks are ruled by the 15 yr old twigs. some of the VS models might have done high fashion runway in the beginning of their careers, but filled out and moved on to more lucrative opportunities like VS.

and...eh...working out takes...work.

There are at least 100 victoria secret models out there and VS only uses about 4-5 of them at a time to model for commercials. commercials are not a full time thing for most models. if they want to be a real model, they have to do runway.
most models who do runway also do ads for high end brands. the two kind of go hand in hand.

gisele bundchen 2006 Fashion Rio Inverno
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[pemberly]

There are at least 100 victoria secret models out there and VS only uses about 4-5 of them at a time to model for commercials. commercials are not a full time thing for most models. if they want to be a real model, they have to do runway.
most models who do runway also do ads for high end brands. the two kind of go hand in hand.

gisele bundchen 2006 Fashion Rio Inverno
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well, first off the fashion rio inverno is not high fashion.

second, misunderstand what a commercial model is, as opposed to a model who does commercials, as opposed to a high fashion runway model.

a high fashion model are basically the sorta weird models. the stick figures who do the runway shows for gucci, vivienne westwood, etc. truly innovative designs.

commercial models are those who do the occasional runway shows for brands like tommy hilfiger, VS, ralph lauren. they make most of their money as spokespeople, as gisele bundchen does for VS, LV, apple, etc. they're the ones in many print ads, occasional acting gigs, etc. they are the most well known and usually the most accessible, body weight wise. most of the runway shows that gisele does are for VS or for very general fashion shows such as the fashion rio inverno. she's a very high profile brazilian, so they shelled out big bucks to draw attention. this is not a "real" fashion show. most high end shows don't have the very famous models, bc the idea is to draw attention to the clothes. if they do have a big supermodel, it's jusually just one. the rest of the models are pretty faceless (indeed, sometimes their faces are all covered).

that being said, a lot of supermodels started out as high fashion runway models. tyra banks, gisele, etc. were all high end fashion models....WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG. those models are usually around 15 (gisele began her career at 13). most models want to get away with this because, well, for one thing, the pay isn't so good. and secondly, they're faceless clothes hangers. they move to commercial modeling (if they can) where they're more recognizable, get to have a personality, and in turn, make more money.

so you see, gisele, adriana lima, etc might have started out doing serious run way work, but now they've got their cushy VS contracts. they make more money, do less, and have more time to start other projects, such as movies.

now, models like tyra banks, heidi klum, etc, are in a totally past this. they're living the even cushy life of television.

oh, all this is said with an exception of kate moss. she's like this weird modeling anomaly where ppl know her name, she does runway, she's old, and still getting major commercial contracts.

[x0_jenniee]

yeah, i like the VS models, too. but i think giselle bundchen has the best body. ever. i am very jealous of her arms. they're toned, but not too muscular...so perfect...jealous.

haha yeah..i think all VS models have perfect bodies x]

but you would never see a VS model doing serious high fashion runway.

o_o r u sure? i googled a bit n this is what i got for giselle bunchen
"Since her debut, she has been the face of a variety of advertising campaigns including several seasons of Christian Dior, Balenciaga, Dolce & Gabbana, Missoni, Versace, Céline, Givenchy, Bulgari, Lanvin, Guerlain, Valentino, Ralph Lauren, Earl Jean, Zara, Chloé, Michael Kors, and Louis Vuitton."

adriana lima
"Ralph Lauren , Armani , Luca Luca , Baby Phat , Valentino ,Christian Dior ,Christian Lacroix ,Victoria's Secret (and more)"

alessandra ambrosio
"Christian Lacroix ,Philosophy di Alberta Ferreti ,Fendi ,Enrico Coveri ,Christian Dior ,Nicole Miller ,Oscar de la Renta , Victoria's Secret (and more)"

..yeah u get what i mean hah

[pemberly]

so you see, gisele, adriana lima, etc might have started out doing serious run way work, but now they've got their cushy VS contracts. they make more money, do less, and have more time to start other projects, such as movies.

that's what i said. yep, gisele did serious runway stuff...when she was 14!!! as for her being the face of LV, that was a couple months ago. mostly in print ads. like jennifer lopez before her, and jennifer lopez is no model O_o man, that was an annoying stage. i couldn't go into LV without seeing her booty EVERYWHERE!! and lindsey lohan wants to be a chanel spokesperson.

[x0_jenniee]

that's what i said. yep, gisele did serious runway stuff...when she was 14!!! as for her being the face of LV, that was a couple months ago. mostly in print ads. like jennifer lopez before her, and jennifer lopez is no model O_o man, that was an annoying stage. i couldn't go into LV without seeing her booty EVERYWHERE!! and lindsey lohan wants to be a chanel spokesperson.

oh, so the ones listed were when they were younger eh? i thought it was recent or something heH.

--n jLo? lindsay lohan?

[pemberly]

This was an article posted in today's nytimes.com

December 22, 2006
Italy Signs Manifesto to Stop Ultra - Skinny Models
By REUTERS

Filed at 2:05 p.m. ET

ROME (Reuters) - Italy's government and its fashion chiefs signed a pact on Friday aimed at keeping models who are sickly thin off the catwalk by requiring women to show proof of their good health or risk being barred from shows.

A ``manifesto'' also bans the use of models who are under the age of 16, saying they risk sending the ``wrong message to girls of the same age in a delicate pre-puberty phase.''

``Sixty percent of teenagers in our country would like to be skinnier than they are,'' said Giovanna Melandri, minister for youth policy, after the Rome signing ceremony.

``This is also the consequence of the idea that the only aesthetic model is being very, very skinny.''

Spain barred models below a certain weight from Madrid fashion shows in September. Earlier this month Brazil also launched a campaign to ban underage, underweight models from its catwalks in response to the death of a Brazilian model from complications due to anorexia.

However, the pact, called ``The National Manifest of Self-Regulation by Italian Fashion Against Anorexia,'' does not spell out any sanctions and carries no legal weight.

But industry leaders at the signing promised that fashion houses would abide by the new internal regulations.

One suggested that fashion houses who broke the rules would be made to suffer, including by being knocked out of important time slots or dates at fashion events.

``So, it's about technical punishment. But these technicalities are very important in fashion,'' said Stefano Dominella, head of AltaRoma, which organizes Rome events.

Melandri said she recognized the manifesto would not ``solve the problem'' but would help.

It requires models to produce a health certificate and says those with ``apparent eating disorders'' will be barred from shows.

Criteria used will include body mass index -- a ratio of weight to height squared. The World Health Organization classifies women with an index of less than 18.5 as underweight.

But Italian National Fashion Chamber head Mario Boselli, whose lobby represents big names like Armani, Versace and Prada, said body mass is not always a fair indicator.

He pointed to a press report showing that super model Naomi Campbell had a body mass index below 18.

``She can model anyway. She's not anorexic and in good health,'' Boselli said.

``It's not that someone passes or not (because of the index). A doctor can issue a certificate. If the certificate says the girl can model, she can have lower body-mass,'' he added.

do you guys think this is a good sign of changes to come? are they making strides for a healthier standard? or do you (like me) think that this is ppl in the industry trying to appease the public. that any person, especially one with money, will be able to find some doctor to write her a note that she is healthy enough to model?

[0-0-0]

do you guys think this is a good sign of changes to come? are they making strides for a healthier standard? or do you (like me) think that this is ppl in the industry trying to appease the public. that any person, especially one with money, will be able to find some doctor to write her a note that she is healthy enough to model?

Well after reading the article, the impression i get is that the industry will tell the public they're all "healthy" enough to model to ensure that the public doesn't complain about them being underweight, when in reality, these standards aren't going to be properly implemented, and we'll still see near anorexic models out there.

[bellamia]

It's not the models that are the problem; it's the fashion designers. These people designed itty-bitty clothes & expect normal/healthy women to fit into them? The models are obsessed with their weight because they need to fit into the designer clothes; their careers & livelihood depend on fitting the look. Until designers start making clothes that reflect normal/healthy size women nothing will change for the better.

[pemberly]

It's not the models that are the problem; it's the fashion designers. These people designed itty-bitty clothes & expect normal/healthy women to fit into them? The models are obsessed with their weight because they need to fit into the designer clothes; their careers & livelihood depend on fitting the look. Until designers start making clothes that reflect normal/healthy size women nothing will change for the better.

well, it's not just the designers fault. in today's society, this is what the the customers want. perceptions of thin are so skewed that people want clothes that are smaller and smaller. if one designer decided one day to stop using stick thin models and made clothes for larger women, they'd automatically be known as the fat ppl designer. they'd lose a lot of customers and lose money. designers wouldn't be making clothes for severely underweight women if there wasn't a demand for it.

[flyingfox2002]

I wonder why some women would have the perception that you have to be razor thin to be considered "in shape." I have several female friends who want to lose weight even though they are not even close to being fat.

The funny thing is that the criticism being levied against celebs for being "out of shape" that I have seen either come from women or from homos.

[pemberly]

do you guys think it's fair to ban models with a bmi of under 18.5? just for perspective, maria sharapova (tennis player) has a bmi of 17.6. and she appears quite healthy. and before you answer, calculate your own bmi

[ChestNut]

do you guys think it's fair to ban models with a bmi of under 18.5? just for perspective, maria sharapova (tennis player) has a bmi of 17.6. and she appears quite healthy. and before you answer, calculate your own bmi

wow.. didn't know she has a bmi under 17.6.. cos an athelete, i assume she has a fair number of muscles hence, shud have a healthy bmi.. models are different.. most of then have low bmi due to lack of nutrition, and not because of exercise.. hence, they are more skeletal looking as they have no muscle and no fat..

[Sparky]

do you guys think it's fair to ban models with a bmi of under 18.5? just for perspective, maria sharapova (tennis player) has a bmi of 17.6. and she appears quite healthy. and before you answer, calculate your own bmi

Maria Sharapova is very tall. I wish I had her height lol. She's an active athlete, and her bmi is most likely a result of an active lifestyle, not an eating disorder.

I think it's nice to encourage models to be healthy, but putting a ban like that is too harsh, esp. if it uses BMI. I don't think BMI is an accurate measure of health, since it's just based on height and weight, and doesn't take into consideration other factors...I'm not going to even mention my own BMI because it gives people the wrong impression. If there is a ban on models, I think it should be based on looking at the models -- if bones are sticking out, that tells a lot more than a number based on a simple equation.

[bellamia]

well, it's not just the designers fault. in today's society, this is what the the customers want. perceptions of thin are so skewed that people want clothes that are smaller and smaller. if one designer decided one day to stop using stick thin models and made clothes for larger women, they'd automatically be known as the fat ppl designer. they'd lose a lot of customers and lose money. designers wouldn't be making clothes for severely underweight women if there wasn't a demand for it.

The consumers want what they see flaunted & advertised in magazines after magazines, and the ideal beauty that they see being promoted are anorexic looking models in size –0 clothing. Thus, it goes back to the fashion industry. It's the designers who're projecting these negative images to the mass. If people see designed clothes that fit on healthy looking models of size 4 or 6 instead of 0 & 2 then the message would be more positive. I don’t want the fashion industry to promote anorexia or obesity. I just want designers to promote clothes that would fit healthy looking women that are not size –0 or 0.

[flyingfox2002]

do you guys think it's fair to ban models with a bmi of under 18.5? just for perspective, maria sharapova (tennis player) has a bmi of 17.6. and she appears quite healthy. and before you answer, calculate your own bmi

Looking with your eyes is a better measurement than taking a weight to height ratio. Some people have large bones and no muscles will weigh the same as someone with small bones and muscles. Yet the BMI calculation on that link would show the same BMI. However, by simply looking at such two people, we would be able to tell who is healthy and who is underweight.

I have small girly bones, and I look very thin, but I actually have pretty toned muscles and I can outlift people who look bigger than me. Because of my small bones, my arms are pretty small, but they don't look emaciated because of muscles.