The most heroic character should have the best martial arts - agree or disagree?

[kidd]

Why? From my point of view, those Gu Long swordsmen are every bit as accomplished in the sword arts as Dook Goo Kau Bai...maybe even more so since we're actually able to verify their capabilities.

They are in different universes, created by different authors who have different philosphies. If XMCX, XXF and Y13 were written by Jin Yong, then u can use them to assume what DGQB would do or have done. But they were not.

I believe that's what Pacifian was trying to say.

[Felix]

On a side note: I always find Guo Jing to be a super boring hero just like Superman is a super boring hero. They're both the typical "good is good and evil is evil" type of heros. Great read, if you're a kid. YG and Spiderman, on the other hand, would be very interesting heros that people could relate to or get interested in. You can either love them or hate them, but you wouldn't stop reading about them. Anyone wonder why Superman Returns bombed in the box office and both Spiderman movies did so well.

Show some love for Batman as well!

[CFT]

The text on the sword tomb said that DGQB injured a righteous man, not killed him.

[K2Grey]

In which case it is even less likely that DGQB went about killing righteous men.

Surely he has enough control over his sword to just hit acupoints as opposed to needing to murder everyone. A swordsman without self-control is only one step up from a mindless beast.

[Sparky]

If you have the best martial arts but use it negatively, then you're not much of a hero.

In wuxia, a certain degree of martial arts is required of the hero, and they have to be able to save someone when necessary, but having the best martial arts is not the key factor.

[Bai Qi44]

Show some love for Batman as well!

Sure. Batman's a great dark hero. Not the typical almost invincible boring type like Superman. I'll also show some love for the Hulk, Silver Surfer, Terry McCinnis, Vegeta, etc..

Gu Long is hardly the most guilty of this: Luk Siu Fung eventually encountered villains that could brush him aside like a fly. Chor Lau Heung usually dealt with opponents who could outfight him. Even Lee Chum Foon lived in a world where Seung Gwoon Gum Hung could have beaten him had the latter not had one of the Great Brain Farts in the annals of wuxia.

My bad. I shouldn't have used Gu Long as an example. He doesn't do this and I guess that's why he's also a very famous writer. I guess my nitpick with him is that he makes his characters way too damn powerful.

That's a matter of opinion. There are no inherently boring character concepts (except maybe Little Dragon Girl)...only ineffectively written characters (in which case it's the author, not the character concept, that's at fault). Moreover, not everyone is a fan of the "rebel hero." Some people like their heroes straightforward and traditional...and these people aren't immature simpletons, Jason.

By boring, I don't mean completely boring (just not very interesting). And I was implying that the heroic character would be more interesting if he wasn't of the traditional sense. More people talk about Yang Guo than they do about Guo Jing. In fact, it seems like the only time Guo Jing's name even comes up is when compared with Yang Guo, but that's just my own personal observation. Your hate for YG only shows that he's a very interesting character. By you "saying some people", I tend to think that they're in the minority. In generations past (especially during the Great Depression era) these straightforward traditional heros would be very popular. The Superman movies out of the 70's and 80's made a lot of $$$ and that's cause it fit the times. If you put the Spiderman movies of today and played them in that era, they would probably bomb.

I don't know why you even brought up this "immature simpletons" thing cause I never implied that. I just find those happily ever after or "best martial arts at the end of the story just cause he/she is the hero" to be very uninteresting. When I was a kid, I got really excited when the hero goes into a cave and comes up super strong after learning some mythical kung fu and kicks everyone's arse. My taste have obviously changed and would find that kind of writing nowadays to be extremely boring cause it's been overdone.


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I like Spider-Man, but I don't relate to him. I prefer my heroes to be larger than life. They shouldn't be like me. They should be better than me: that which I aspire to be, not that which I am.

Yeung Gor I just plain dislike most of the time, but that's not news. Did you hear that the Union won the Civil War? [quote]

I wrote you can either relate to them or find them interesting. Spider-man may not relate to you, but you do find him interesting. Anyway, any hero is already better than you/me cause we're just average joes.

Your disliking of YG actually makes him an interesting character to you. Just like the WWE, if you're a wrestler, you have to get the fans to either like you or hate you. You don't want them to not care / notice you. For me personallly, I don't dislike or like GJ. I just don't care about him. I hate DY, but I guess that's what makes him a successful character. I also don't get your quote of the Union winning the Civil War cause for one, I'm not American and two I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Did you know that the two Canadian territories are now three?

That probably had more to do with how the movies were written rather than the characters themselves. It also had to do with the fact that the Spider-Man films were new whereas SUPERMAN RETURNS was the fifth SUPERMAN movie (and done in a style not all that different from SUPERMAN I and SUPERMAN II, which were as huge in their day as the two SPIDER-MAN movies have been more recently).

To a point, yes. But, like I said earlier: if you put today's Spiderman movies (minus the special effects) back in the 70's and 80's, people would probably not care for it. At the time, they wanted their heros bigger than life and I guess that's why all those old Superman movies did so well. People don't want the same thing / type of hero over and over again. They get boring and you have to come up with new ideas / heros. I guess that's why I like Xiao Feng so much cause he would kill even the good if they piss him off.