Which skill is stronger, QQDNY or Dou Zhuan Xin Yi???

[hyoyatika]

While true, this isn't an indication of how good SST actually is.

So how good is it actually? We only see MRB use it once against XF, and it wasn't impressive: he couldn't return the move back to the enemy, only off to the side, presumably b/c it (in the hands of MRB) was too weak to succeed on XF. This is consistent with the narrator saying SST doesn't work on a stronger opponent.

Is it possible that MRB didn't master it? Sure. But based on 3rd ed saying that MRB thought not-so-highly of SST (hence stealing Shaolin's kung fu), I really don't think it's meant to be that great.

In comparison, ZWJ's use of QKDNY to store 10 x Fan Yao's power and release it back to the enemy at once is seriously impressive. It (along with Taiji) also doesn't have a stated limitation of not being able to use it against a stronger opponent.

One possible way to explain why SST seems so weak in the hands of MRF and possibly MRB is that both of them had weak (and relatively weak) inner energy. MRF has been explicitly stated that he has too little inner energy to learn any of the 72 shaolin arts. QKDNY could be used against a stronger opponent, but the premise of the skill itself already required you to be very strong in your inner energy.

I'm not so sure about 3rd ed changes, in what context did MRB say that SST wasn't that impressive?

[PJ]

慕容氏先祖龙城公创下一门“斗转星移”绝技，尽管这项能转移对手攻势来路的精妙武学，为慕容氏创下“以彼之 道，还施彼身”的响亮名头，但却颇有“依人作嫁”的意味。心想，少林武功是中原武学之首，如能求得七十二绝 技功诀，传授于暗中纠举的羽翼人马，则慕容氏复国实力将如虎添翼，更形壮大。

[hyoyatika]

慕容氏先祖龙城公创下一门“斗转星移”绝技，尽管这项能转移对手攻势来路的精妙武学，为慕容氏创下“以彼之 道，还施彼身”的响亮名头，但却颇有“依人作嫁”的意味。心想，少林武功是中原武学之首，如能求得七十二绝 技功诀，传授于暗中纠举的羽翼人马，则慕容氏复国实力将如虎添翼，更形壮大。

Thanks PJ.