if only Jinyong...

[soulmelody]

if jinyong could write a novel that has the villians winning just once,how good would it be ......

[Felix]

if jinyong could write a novel that has the villians winning just once,how good would it be ......

Perhaps the closest he came to was having Au Yeung Fung the most powerful at the end of LOCH.

[PJ]

Perhaps the closest he came to was having Au Yeung Fung the most powerful at the end of LOCH.

Nah, the closest is probably this guy:

The Undefeated East, Unrivaled By the West, Undefeatable Throughout the Realm, His Thin Needles, His Unforgettable Speed, His Incomprehensible Proficiency, His missing body part, What Queer Brilliance, INVINCIBLE ASIA Dongfang Bubai

[Dennis Chen]

Who is a villain? Who is a hero? Wei Xiaobao raped and pillaged his way through his novel.

[K2Grey]

Now that I think about it, exactly why did the Swordsman movies translate Dongfang Bubai as "Asia the Invincible"? I guess if you interpreted Dongfang as "Asia"... but that name still makes no sense.

[Loke-Gao-Zhu]

I consider WXB as a villain

[AnhHung]

Now that I think about it, exactly why did the Swordsman movies translate Dongfang Bubai as "Asia the Invincible"? I guess if you interpreted Dongfang as "Asia"... but that name still makes no sense.

What is DFBB's real name anyway?

[strife_au]

if jinyong could write a novel that has the villians winning just once,how good would it be ......

There would be a lot of depressed readers and it just wouldn't work out because as with everything, villains never succeed fully.
Won't be as much interest in the book from the majority I think and also would be a hell lot harder to write a decent ending for it than the generic good guy wins albeit some losses along the way such as deaths of girlfriends etc....


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[Ken Cheng]

It could kind of work if by the end, the villain begins to show remorse over his/her horrible deeds, and begins to consider whether or not there could have been a better way. Perhaps the villain becomes a tragic hero by realizing too late that he/she had made many mistakes, and vainly tries to rectify them.

It's possible to have an evil, but sympathetic protagonist. Quite a few examples of western literature (i.e. John Milton's PARADISE LOST) have the Devil as protagonist. If the Devil can be a protagonist, then surely an "evil" wuxia character can be as well.

[PJ]

Actually, what would be REALLY EXTREMELY COOL, is if Jin Yong made the novel's only hero suddenly turn evil at the very end.

[Ken Cheng]

Actually, what would be REALLY EXTREMELY COOL, is if Jin Yong made the novel's only hero suddenly turn evil at the very end.

That could also work, and it would break with convention.

[CC]

I always wanted Evil Xu Zhu!

He could be one heck of an evil pimp with his Ling Jiu chicks!

[Ken Cheng]

Jin Yong never did this, but Gu Long often gave us the opportunity to see what some of his heroic characters might be like if they were on the other side by creating doppelgangers. For example, Yip Goo Sing was essentially an evil doppelganger of Sai Mun Chui Sheut, and Ging Mo Meng was an evil doppelganger of Ah Fei.

[Guo Xiang]

Now that I think about it, exactly why did the Swordsman movies translate Dongfang Bubai as "Asia the Invincible"? I guess if you interpreted Dongfang as "Asia"... but that name still makes no sense.

Apparently 'Dongfang' is a real surname. I think he changed his name though.