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    As we all know, after the fall of Yuan and rise of Ming Dynasty, Zhu Yuanzhang purged members of Ming Sect. Where was ZWJ when this happened? Didn't he try to stop the massacre?

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    ZWJ retired from jianghu with ZM.
    Moreover, while Zhu Yuanzhang is a real historical figure, ZWJ is fictitious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryosuke View Post
    As we all know, after the fall of Yuan and rise of Ming Dynasty, Zhu Yuanzhang purged members of Ming Sect. Where was ZWJ when this happened? Didn't he try to stop the massacre?
    In some comic book and TV series adaptations of HSDS, that's precisely what happens, but it wasn't a part of Jin Yong's original novel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryosuke View Post
    As we all know, after the fall of Yuan and rise of Ming Dynasty, Zhu Yuanzhang purged members of Ming Sect. Where was ZWJ when this happened? Didn't he try to stop the massacre?
    Köke Temür's sister [ZM] was married by the Ming Chinese Prince Zhu Shuang, the brother of the Ming Hongwu Emperor.Quoted from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ke_Tem%C3%BCrWhich means in the end ZM dumped ZWJ and married Zhu Yuanzhang's brother. ZWJ heartbroken would not have the inspiration to fight back. He probably went to Wudang and became a full time priest lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    In some comic book and TV series adaptations of HSDS, that's precisely what happens, but it wasn't a part of Jin Yong's original novel.
    Zhu Yuanzhang's purge of Ming Cult members also happened (well, mentioned) in the novel, at least in 2nd ed.
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malevolent View Post
    Köke Temür's sister [ZM] was married by the Ming Chinese Prince Zhu Shuang, the brother of the Ming Hongwu Emperor.Quoted from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ke_Tem%C3%BCrWhich means in the end ZM dumped ZWJ and married Zhu Yuanzhang's brother. ZWJ heartbroken would not have the inspiration to fight back. He probably went to Wudang and became a full time priest lol
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongwu_Emperor
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Köke_Temür

    Koke Temur is known as Wang BaoBao so his last name is Wang, not Zhao. Zhu Shuang is Zhu Yuanzhang's son, not brother. Even if Zhao Ming is Koke Temur's sister, why would she leave ZWJ for Zhu Shuang. ZWJ is one of the best fighters of his era. He has 9 Yang, Ming Sect martial art, Taichi Sword and knowledge of Chinese medicine. What does Zhu Shuang know? Does he know any martial art as great as ZWJ? Why would any lady go for Zhu Shuang over ZWJ? If Zhao Ming left him, he always can go back to Zhu Zhiruo or Xiao Zhao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trien Chieu View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongwu_Emperorhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Köke_TemürKoke Temur is known as Wang BaoBao so his last name is Wang, not Zhao. Zhu Shuang is Zhu Yuanzhang's son, not brother. Even if Zhao Ming is Koke Temur's sister, why would she leave ZWJ for Zhu Shuang. ZWJ is one of the best fighters of his era. He has 9 Yang, Ming Sect martial art, Taichi Sword and knowledge of Chinese medicine. What does Zhu Shuang know? Does he know any martial art as great as ZWJ? Why would any lady go for Zhu Shuang over ZWJ? If Zhao Ming left him, he always can go back to Zhu Zhiruo or Xiao Zhao.
    Have you read the novel or watched the movie? ZM's brother is know as Wong Baobao which is why the Ming Sect members laughed and said that its funny how the siblings had different surnames. I doubt ZM loved ZWJ because of his martial arts. Loving someone because their are good martial artists is too shallow. ZM loved ZWJ because of his character. You may consider reading the book to have a better understanding

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dongfang Xue View Post
    Have you read the novel or watched the movie? ZM's brother is know as Wong Baobao which is why the Ming Sect members laughed and said that its funny how the siblings had different surnames. I doubt ZM loved ZWJ because of his martial arts. Loving someone because their are good martial artists is too shallow. ZM loved ZWJ because of his character. You may consider reading the book to have a better understanding
    Thank you for the correction. Yeah, beside martial art, ZWJ is such a great person. Why would ZM would go for someone like Chu Shuang? My guess is ZWJ realized that he actually loved Chu Zhirou or Xiao Zhao instead of ZM. He left her so she had no choice but went for Zhu Shuang.

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