Character Discussion: Lam Chiu Ying

[Ken Cheng]

he not at loss, he could take her to task later on but no, nothing was done after all said.

Yeah, and if he did that, somebody else would say what a cruel and heartless husband and father Gwok Jing was for doing that to Gwok Fu and breaking Wong Yung's heart, yadda yadda.

Gwok Jing just can't win in this situation.

[sheraldine]

Gwok Jing just can't win in this situation.

yadda yadda.... which brings us back to YG circumstances, he just cant please everyone and everybody who expects or wants him to be a hero.... sorry ken, i didnt mean to irk you, just want you and those who bashed him seeing the neutral point.... after years and years of siding quojing, i think i might as well side yg from certain point of view....

[Ken Cheng]

y i didnt mean to irk you, just want you and those who bashed him seeing the neutral point...

What did ChronoReverse just say a few posts back about not liking a character and bashing a character not being the same thing? Let's think about that for a minute.

Yeung Gor has some very glaring flaws that I really don't like very much. The YG fans seem hellbent on using every argument in the book (and a few that aren't) to get me to come over to their point of view, but it's not going to happen (how many years has this argument been going on now? Four? Five?). He has his flaws as a character and while they might not bother some other people, they do bother me greatly, and no amount of sugarcoating and spinning is going to change that.

[sheraldine]

Yeung Gor has some very glaring flaws that I really don't like very much. )....

yeah, i know and i dont like his stubborness.... at least we agree on something on his flaw(s)....

The YG fans seem hellbent on using every argument in the book (and a few that aren't) to get me to come over to their point of view, but it's not going to happen (how many years has this argument been going on now? Four? Five?).

AGES! sometimes i admired your stamina and those fans' devotion.

He has his flaws as a character and while they might not bother some other people, they do bother me greatly, and no amount of sugarcoating and spinning is going to change that.

no sugarcoating and spinning from me. you know that ken, after all the years of views exchanged.

[yittz]

lol I notice the topic has become GJ vs YG...

LCY+WCY's relationship seem to be similar to Hu Qing Nu and his poison-making mistress. But in the end they got together fine with Hu Qing Nu sacrificing his life to repent for his 'mistake' in curing someone she poisoned. Now we can say the mistress is no different from LCY (in terms of pride, competitiveness and arrogance), but HQN did sink a level to dissolve the conflict. HQN is much better than WCY in being a lady's man.

In the end, WCY did not view the relationship as beneficial. I question if they got married, how much peace they would actually have. Their personality seem to close and for it to work WCY need to be more a lady's man than a man's man (you know what I mean), while LCY can do better ditching her typeA personality.

[Athena]

Wang Chongyang and Lin Chaoying were equally matched in almost anything, alas that was also why they never got together.
Because either one of them were practically peerless in the realm, the only one who could be their worthy opponent happened to be each other. Their mutual talents and personalities was what drew them to each other, but it was also these two traits that drove them apart from each other in the end.

[SkyWalker]

Wang Chongyang and Lin Chaoying were equally matched in almost anything, alas that was also why they never got together.
Because either one of them were practically peerless in the realm, the only one who could be their worthy opponent happened to be each other. Their mutual talents and personalities was what drew them to each other, but it was also these two traits that drove them apart from each other in the end.

This pretty much summed it all up.....on paper, they are a perfect match but in reality, it's really tough to be in a relationship where they are constantly trying to prove one is better than the other. They are probably better off as best friends or even friendly rivals.

[duguxiaojing]

( Vetting what ChronoReverse has said, I've carried that card for quite some time now.

You guys need to read *all* of what I write, not just selective parts of it.)

Well, believe or not I actually do =P. I must have missed that thread...I was under the impression that you belived YG did not deserve the title because he refused to stay at XY. In the old should YG stay at XY thread, IIRC although you did not directly say that YG was not a hero,but you were helping TMJ's argument that YG should not be considered a hero because he was unwilling to give up his life to serve his country.

[MysteriouX]

Maybe I've just read too many comics growing up, but I do believe in that old superhero adage of "with great power comes great responsibility." I do believe very strongly that those who are gifted with special abilities that can benefit humanity are morally obliged to use them for that purpose. I also believe that this is a lifelong commitment that should not be abdicated. To have a special talent, especially one that can benefit many people, but to use it self-servingly or not at all, is a waste of a precious gift. It is an individual's prerogative to use that gift as he/she sees fit, but if he/she doesn't use it altruistically, then I don't feel any particular inclination to view such an individual as a "hero" worthy of admiration.

But you do have to realize that for some people though they may have special gifts, and they do decide to help others, who will help them in their time of need also? Sure they can work day and night without rest to help others but how about their own personal lives? Its not easy to be completely selfless. All the physical and emotional stress does take its toll on someone, no matter how powerful or selfless he or she may be. In my opinion Li XunHun was one of the most selfless characters that exist, and he used his skills (both martial arts and observational skills) to help others but due to all the stress and suffering he had to endure he didn't have a peaceful life.

Even in comics, we have superheroes who help selflessly but they have to endure so much personal suffering themselves.

And there is also the old saying, "God helps those that help themselves" so if these people started helping always, then people will always rely on them and if any danger appears they will just say "Oh that hero/heroine will solve the problem we dont have to do anything"

[ChronoReverse]

That isn't the point. There's no reason you can't be heroic SOME of the time. Or even occasionally. It's not WRONG nor is KC saying it's wrong.

But in proportion to how self-sacrificing you are is the merit you gain. As such, someone who does the very occasional heroic deed but is usually just a jerk, isn't really a hero. Even villains sometimes do the occasional kind deed.

YG (in KC's eyes) is heroic enough that he considers him a hero. LCY is not. She may have done a few notable things, but the character of her life is marked with acts not worthy of a heroine. This is by KC's definition of hero of course. Even in JY's stories, the definition of a hero is different from this. However, even then, it's only the criteria the differs, not the amount you need to dedicate.


Few people like to be told that they aren't doing enough to be a hero. It's often a hero who would think that they're not doing enough and strive to do more.