Ngor Mei Sect Leader Gei Hiu Fu - what might have been

[Ken Cheng]

Before the rape by Yeung Siu that ruined Gei Hiu Fu's life, Gei Hiu Fu was in line to succeed her teacher Mit Jeut See Tai as the fourth Leader of the Ngor Mei Sect. Mit Jeut See Tai wasn't known for her sterling judgment, but in this case, she chose well: Gei Hiu Fu had character, kindness, and strength. Had it not been for the Yeung Siu incident, she likely would have gone on to become an excellent leader of the Ngor Mei Sect. She lacked the viciousness and cruelty that both Mit Jeut See Tai and the eventual fourth Ngor Mei Sect Leader, Chow Chi Yerk, demonstrated.

What do you imagine a Gei Hiu Fu-led Ngor Mei Sect would have been like?

[Felix]

Before the rape by Yeung Siu that ruined Gei Hiu Fu's life, Gei Hiu Fu was in line to succeed her teacher Mit Jeut See Tai as the fourth Leader of the Ngor Mei Sect. Mit Jeut See Tai wasn't known for her sterling judgment, but in this case, she chose well: Gei Hiu Fu had character, kindness, and strength. Had it not been for the Yeung Siu incident, she likely would have gone on to become an excellent leader of the Ngor Mei Sect. She lacked the viciousness and cruelty that both Mit Jeut See Tai and the eventual fourth Ngor Mei Sect Leader, Chow Chi Yerk, demonstrated.

What do you imagine a Gei Hiu Fu-led Ngor Mei Sect would have been like?

If she became the leader, would she have been able to marry 6th Wu Tang disciple?

When MieJue offered GHF the position of the leader, did she say so because she wanted GHF to ditch Yang Xiao. And since she already is no longer a virgin, there is no sense to go back to 6th Wu Tang disciple? Miejue offer her the position, is it because she knows the chances of GHF marrying 6th Wu Tang disciple impossible?

I forgot, but what did Miejue make GHF do to her daughter? I can't imagine GHF being the leader and yet she still has a daughter. Did MJ make GHF kill her daughter as well? Or at least discontinue ties with her daughter?

Do you see similarities between GHF and CCY? Did MJ see CCY as a potential GHF reincarnation and that Cheung Mo Kei was a Yang Xiao reincarnation?

[Ken Cheng]

If she became the leader, would she have been able to marry 6th Wu Tang disciple?

Yes, because one of the conditions for Gei Hiu Fu becoming the next Ngor Mei Sect Leader is that the rape did not happen.

When MieJue offered GHF the position of the leader, did she say so because she wanted GHF to ditch Yang Xiao.

I don't think so, because Mit Jeut had been considering Gei Hiu Fu for the position long before Yeung Siu entered the picture.

I forgot, but what did Miejue make GHF do to her daughter? I can't imagine GHF being the leader and yet she still has a daughter. Did MJ make GHF kill her daughter as well? Or at least discontinue ties with her daughter?

Immediately after killing Gei Hiu Fu, Mit Jeut See Tai ordered her other disciples to kill Yeung But Fui as well...to purge the shame that Gei Hiu Fu had brought to her sect. Fortunately, an alert Cheung Mo Gei got Yeung But Fui away before the Ngor Mei disciples could locate her.

Do you see similarities between GHF and CCY? Did MJ see CCY as a potential GHF reincarnation and that Cheung Mo Kei was a Yang Xiao reincarnation?

Mit Jeut See Tai groomed Chow Chi Yerk to replace Gei Hiu Fu as the top candidate for next Ngor Mei Sect Leader. At first, Chow Chi Yerk shared some similar characteristics with Gei Hiu Fu (including attracting the envy of her martial sister Ding Mun Gwun), but Chow Chi Yerk had a latent vicious and manipulative streak that Gei Hiu Fu never had. Unlike Chow Chi Yerk's Ngor Mei Sect, which was possibly even more cruel and evil than Mit Jeut See Tai's, a Gei Hiu Fu-led Ngor Mei Sect would probably have been kinder and gentler.

[Loke-Gao-Zhu]

Definately a good leader that will lead Ngor Mei into a more kindful, less evil buddhist school

at least she won't blow people up with fire bombs -_-;;;

[flyingfox2002]

YX lovers (mostly females) deny a rape happened. They like to fantasize that GHF was unwilling at first, but then YX's studliness made her weak in the knees and she relented. Apparently HSDS is a romance novel???

Not sure if GHF would have been a great leader. Being a leader requires a certain viciousness that she didn't have.

[kyss of the sword]

actually the word that gei hiu fu used was a little vauge. she never really said she was raped, it was her teacher who did. she said she lost her chasitity. losing your chastity can occur either willing or not. it was implied in lastest editions that yang xiao was more charming and handsome the the seventh wudang hero and ZWJ himself could see why gei hiu fu fell for him instead. it seems to imply that yang xiao used charm and preserverance to win her heart. but because GHF felt she was betraying her sect, she never told him she fell for him. so they ended up seperated. he captured her but never violated her till she gave in to his desire of her own free will.

[Ken Cheng]

Not sure if GHF would have been a great leader. Being a leader requires a certain viciousness that she didn't have.

I don't know about that. It depends on the culture of the organization. Cheung 3 Fung didn't seem to have a vicious bone in him, but he was arguably the greatest sect leader of his time.

[flyingfox2002]

actually the word that gei hiu fu used was a little vauge. she never really said she was raped, it was her teacher who did. she said she lost her chasitity. losing your chastity can occur either willing or not. it was implied in lastest editions that yang xiao was more charming and handsome the the seventh wudang hero and ZWJ himself could see why gei hiu fu fell for him instead. it seems to imply that yang xiao used charm and preserverance to win her heart. but because GHF felt she was betraying her sect, she never told him she fell for him. so they ended up seperated. he captured her but never violated her till she gave in to his desire of her own free will.

I think what she said was that she "could not resist" him. YX apologists claim that she meant that she could not resist her attraction to him, not that she could not fight him off physically. However, YX admitted that he "forced" her. But then YX apologists again say JXF was only pretending to say no because she is expected to say no, she really wants it deep down. He also did not come see her one time after she "escaped" from him. He didn't even know he had a kid. The bottom line is, he screwed her, in more ways than one...

I don't know about that. It depends on the culture of the organization. Cheung 3 Fung didn't seem to have a vicious bone in him, but he was arguably the greatest sect leader of his time.

I don't think he was a great sect leader. He was the greatest martial artist of his generation perhaps, but you look at what happened in his sect, was it really that great?

He brought up an emotionally fragile sissy in #6 and he brought up a by-the-book man with repressed instincts in #5. The the son of his successor is a peeping tom and traitor/murderer. I am not blaming everything on Zhang 3 Feng, but the type of rigid "morality" that he taught his pupils certainly had something to do with the mess that was to befall Wudang.

Besides, he had no mercy for Song Qing Shu, which shows a good decisiveness in his nature. Maybe a better word I should have used is "decisiveness" rather than viciousness.



(Btw, this whole Ji Xiao Fu/Yang Xiao mess is another reason I find HSDS annoying)

[Ken Cheng]

I don't think he was a great sect leader. He was the greatest martial artist of his generation perhaps, but you look at what happened in his sect, was it really that great?

Compared to everyone else in wulin at the time, I would say "yes." From start to finish, the Mo Dong Sect was the only organization in wulin that didn't look like a bunch of self-serving hypocrites. That they were imperfect is no fault of Cheung 3 Fung's. They were still, after all, human.

[flyingfox2002]

Compared to everyone else in wulin at the time, I would say "yes." From start to finish, the Mo Dong Sect was the only organization in wulin that didn't look like a bunch of self-serving hypocrites. That they were imperfect is no fault of Cheung 3 Fung's, only that they were still, after all, human.

Is it not human for the other sects to be hypocritical as well? To me, the primary purpose of leading a sect is not to somehow make the sect the messager of morality, but to make the sect great in power and unity.

Disciples #2, 4, and 7 are the "real" people of the 7 in terms of what they show actually being their real personalities. The others all have repression problems.

[Ken Cheng]

Disciples #2, 4, and 7 are the "real" people of the 7 in terms of what they show actually being their real personalities. The others all have repression problems.

Interestingly, those were my three favorite Mo Dong Heroes...not that I disliked the other four, but Yu Lin Chou and Cheung Chung Kai always had it together the best. Mok Sing Guk was a bit of a hothead.

Sung Yeun Kiu was a terrific guy too, but his failure with his son hurt him.

[flyingfox2002]

IMO #2 woulda made a better second generation leader than #1. There's something about #1 that I didn't like. Can't quite put my finger on it, but I don't trust him. I love #2. He kicks *** when he has to, as when he paralyzed his nephew because he feared that #1 would let his son off lightly. He also has a genuine soft side, as when he first met ZWJ. He also did not judge YSS.

#7 is brash sometimes, but you can't help but respect him. He's just a stand-up guy. On Brilliance Peak, when discussing what to do with an injured ZWJ (thanks to ZZR stabbing him), #4 thought that they should leave ZWJ alone because attacking an injured young man would not look good for Wudang's reputation, but #7 said that WD's rep is secondary, how can they face themselves if they hurt ZWJ in that situation.

To me, that shows the difference between the 2. #7 earned my respect right there.

[Ken Cheng]

IMO #2 woulda made a better second generation leader than #1. There's something about #1 that I didn't like. Can't quite put my finger on it, but I don't trust him.

I liked Sung Yeun Kiu, but his biggest problem to me was that he was kind of bland and undistinguished as a personality. Each of his other sworn brothers had a distinct personality, but Sung never really did. All he had going for him was that 1). he was generally a good guy 2). he was the oldest and therefore the leader and 3). his son made a series of tragic mistakes. If not for the third item, he'd really have no distinguishing features at all.

I love #2. He kicks *** when he has to, as when he paralyzed his nephew because he feared that #1 would let his son off lightly. He also has a genuine soft side, as when he first met ZWJ. He also did not judge YSS.

Yu Lin Chou, along with Cheung Chung Kai, struck me as being the most sturdy and competent of the 7 Heroes. These two handled themselves best when it came to the tricky diplomacy work that came with operating with wulin.

It's true that Yu Lin Chou didn't judge Yan So So harshly, but other than Yu Doi Nam and Cheung Chui San (for obvious reasons), the other heroes didn't seem to judge her too harshly either. They were all pretty good about that.

#7 is brash sometimes, but you can't help but respect him.

My favorite Mok Sing Guk moment is when he faced down those three courier service bosses who came looking for Cheung Chui San ten years after the Dragon's Gate Courier Service incident. He was going to take that fight for his fifth brother (and would have, if not for Cheung Chung Kai's intervention).

[SkineePanda]

I feel that the 4th hero Zhang Songxi was the most cold and calculating one. Because he's the designated smart guy of the brothers which makes him always the one who analyzes events and situations and people. I feel that he's the one with the least emotions.