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    In DGSD, there was a character named Chiu Cheen Sheun, who famously remained enamored of his younger martial sister decades after she had married another man ("Grandpa" Tam).

    Near the beginning of ROCH, when Gwok Jing, Wong Yung, and Ohr Jen Ngok encounter West Poison Au Yeung Fung for the first time since LOCH, Wong Yung attempts to further confuse Au Yeung Fung by responding to his question of "What's my name?" with "Your name is Chiu Cheen Sheun *Lee*."

    Was this a reference to the DGSD character?

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    Indeed, Zhao Qiansun was the famed old goofball in DGSD. His legend outlived himself (he was killed by XIao Yuanshan) and was not forgotten by later generations, but not everyone remembered him. Only highly knowledgeable people like Huang Rong had heard of the great name of Zhao Qiansun. Since he was a goofball, and Ouyang Feng had reached a similar condition in ROCH, Huang Rong wanted to confuse Western Venom with a name that he may be vaguely familiar with, but not able to pinpoint exactly.

    That was my version of the day. Here is the real answer:

    Zhao, Qian and Sun were the most popular surnames at the time and formed the start of a poem called "A hundred family names": Zhao Qian Sun Li, Zhu Wu Zheng Wang, etc. Zhao was first because that's the surname of the Sung emperors.
    -Reference: Candide

    So, Huang Rong was simply tossing out random names to confuse Ouyang Feng.
    By the way, the DGSD Zhao Qiansun was a nameless person. His real name is unknown.
    Last edited by PJ; 02-14-07 at 06:27 PM.
    楚留香笑道:你口气倒真不小。 小字出口,他已箭一般向阴姬冲了过去。他知道自己唯一能胜过对方之处,就是个快字。所以他尽量利用 这快字,只要他能抢得一刹那间的先机,他就或许还有战胜的希望。他出手实在快,快如急风,快如闪电。谁 知他刚一出手,阴姬的手掌一挥,就立刻有一股奇异的力量阻住了他的去路,这股力量如浪潮初起,澎湃不绝。楚 留香莫说根本无法抢得先机,根本就近不了她的身。

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ
    Zhao, Qian and Sun were the most popular surnames at the time and formed the start of a poem called "A hundred family names": Zhao Qian Sun Li, Zhu Wu Zheng Wang, etc. Zhao was first because that's the surname of the Sung emperors.
    -Reference: Candide

    So, Huang Rong was simply tossing out random names to confuse Ouyang Feng.
    By the way, the DGSD Zhao Qiansun was a nameless person. His real name is unknown.
    And it just so happened that the DGSD character had a name made of those three surnames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
    And it just so happened that the DGSD character had a name made of those three surnames?
    He didn't want people to know his real name, so he just used those 3 surnames as his public name.

    Some other characters who used fake names all the time are Zhang 3 and Li 4 from Ode to Gallantry.
    楚留香笑道:你口气倒真不小。 小字出口,他已箭一般向阴姬冲了过去。他知道自己唯一能胜过对方之处,就是个快字。所以他尽量利用 这快字,只要他能抢得一刹那间的先机,他就或许还有战胜的希望。他出手实在快,快如急风,快如闪电。谁 知他刚一出手,阴姬的手掌一挥,就立刻有一股奇异的力量阻住了他的去路,这股力量如浪潮初起,澎湃不绝。楚 留香莫说根本无法抢得先机,根本就近不了她的身。

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