Batman Bruce Wayne vs Sky Flying Bat Ke Zhen'er!

[Ken Cheng]

For those who support Batman:
- I admit that Batman's intellect + trick are far superior to Ke Zhen'e, but in a fight real MA me think is the most important factor determining who will win.

But Batman just doesn't blindly enter fights straight up against opponents who have physical superiority over him. That just isn't Batman.

- Let's not forget that in LoCH Ke Zhen'e could use his iron staff to raise a vat filled with wine which weighed 250 kg in total! Not to mention him in RoCH!
- Can Batman lift an object which weighs more than 200 kgs? Definitely no!

He doesn't need to. Batman frequently fights against opponents (and I'm not even talking about Superman here; I'm talking about Batman's typical enemies such as Bane, Azrael, and Deathstroke) who are physically superior to him, but he defeats them anyway because he outwits them.

- Can Batman's modern fighting techniques are as good as fictional fighting techniques of KZE? No too.!

If Ohr Jen Ngok had Greats-level inner power, you might have something here, but as it is, the only thing I think Ohr Jen Ngok has that Batman doesn't in physical skills is hing gung (and when you've dealt with the kinds of opposition that Batman has, wuxia hing gung just isn't all that impressive by comparison).

Besides, I really wonder how Batman can be a match for the Flashes - the people who can travel faster than light.

The Flashes give him more trouble than some of his other potential opponents because they don't have any specific weaknesses for him to exploit, but he does have contingency plans in place for speedsters as well.

[.DotPoint.]

If all else fails, Robin will bail Batman out.

Then you might as well invite the rest of the Jiangnan 7 Freaks.......althought they probably won't gang up on Batman...

[Ken Cheng]

Then you might as well invite the rest of the Jiangnan 7 Freaks.......althought they probably won't gang up on Batman...

The Freaks have no qualms about ganging up on opponents: Yau Chui Gei, Mui Chiu Fung, East Heretic Wong Yerk See.

Looks like it's tear gas and thermite time for the Dark Knight.

[kyss of the sword]

i think something came out similar in a comiccon magazine, batman verse daredevil. batman won by using his utality belt of tricks and superior intellect. and batman beat guys way more powerful then him. so he wins. batman can beat anyone because he is the deadliest man on the planet, as said by superman. ke zhen'er is a dead old coot with no chance.

[Snafu3721]

Besides, I really wonder how Batman can be a match for the Flashes - the people who can travel faster than light.

It depends on the circumstance under which they fight...
If all of a sudden, for no apparent reason, that Batman and Flash had to fight to the death in an enclosed area-- then most likely the win will go to the flash.

However, that's assuming a random fist fight breaks out between the two heros.

But, as many posters mentioned earlier, Batman rarely engages himself into a physcial combat when he is disadvantaged. IIRC, in the DC comics, Batman took out the entire Justice league after being tricked by Ras' Algul. The method he used to defeat the Flash was by inducing a seizure through the Flash's nervous system that caused him to convulse at the speed of light. (So no one was able to stop the seizure other than Batman- since no one can touch something vibrating at that frequency with miscroscoptic accuracy.)

[Tom]

Gadgets: Batman
Skills: Old Man
Body: Batman
Quickness: Batman
Strength: Batman

Ke Zhen'er doesn't really have anything that's better than Batman. The only part of him that's probably any good is the Chinese martial arts that he have and his internal power. Other than that...he is a total failure compared to Batman. Mr. Wayne has all the cool gadgets and he even has a car that can be controled with a remote control! What does Ke Zhen'er have for transportation? A horse at best and his qinggong is not exceptionally good either.

[ChronoReverse]

Actually, I'd say Batman's strength isn't comparable. But that won't matter in a fight unless he got ambushed.

[Tom]

I personally would think it's more appropriate to compare all of the Freaks to Batman. I think that would be an interesting fight.

[LuNaR]

u guys are overrated batman. he may be a little smarter, but he cant fly. ke zhen'er can fly around and hide and ambush batman. he cant do anything. and how is batman stronger than superman? superman is like invincible, except maybe if u shoot a bullet into his eye ball.

[Huang Rong]

Gadgets: Batman
Skills: Old Man
Body: Batman
Quickness: Batman
Strength: Batman

i think Ke Zhen'er is superior in Strength. And as for Quickness, they're probably equal.

Ke Zhen'er doesn't really have anything that's better than Batman. The only part of him that's probably any good is the Chinese martial arts that he have and his internal power. Other than that...he is a total failure compared to Batman. Mr. Wayne has all the cool gadgets and he even has a car that can be controled with a remote control! What does Ke Zhen'er have for transportation? A horse at best and his qinggong is not exceptionally good either.

LOL, for the fight to be fair, the Bat car should not be taken into account. Or else, even Super Monk would also be carried to the hospital after receiving a crash.

I personally would think it's more appropriate to compare all of the Freaks to Batman. I think that would be an interesting fight.

I think 2 Freaks are too much for Batman to handle already, what would Batman do if his gadgets are stolen by Zho Cong?

[Tom]

i think Ke Zhen'er is superior in Strength. And as for Quickness, they're probably equal.

LOL, for the fight to be fair, the Bat car should not be taken into account. Or else, even Super Monk would also be carried to the hospital after receiving a crash.

I think 2 Freaks are too much for Batman to handle already, what would Batman do if his gadgets are stolen by Zho Cong?

I think you're underestimating Batman. He is a witty person. He could throw a smoke bomb and then he'd have an advantage. He'd just have to bring night vision goggles along and then he'd be the one controling the fate of the Freaks.

[Ken Cheng]

ke zhen'er can fly around and hide and ambush batman.

No wuxia character can actually fly. We've already established that.

Batman can't fly either, but his costume is designed so that he can glide on air currents. Moreover, he has equipment that can enable him to fly if necessary (doubt he'll need it against Ohr Jen Ngok, however).

how is batman stronger than superman?

Has anyone actually said Batman is stronger than Superman here?

Superman has three physical weaknesses:

1. Kryptonite

2. red solar radiation

3. magic

Batman has easy access to two of these three items, and has ways to get the third if he needs it.

And that's not even counting all the psychological ways he can harm Superman.

superman is like invincible, except maybe if u shoot a bullet into his eye ball.

Didn't watch SUPERMAN RETURNS, eh?

[ghostdarTeal'c]

u guys are overrated batman. he may be a little smarter, but he cant fly. ke zhen'er can fly around and hide and ambush batman. he cant do anything.

a little smarter? get serious...one isnt just a little smarter to take on the whole Justice League....

flying doesnt give you any advantage at all unless youre on the run....honestly...Ke Zhen'er with flying ability against Batman's wits? duh, he's going down either way, man....

plus, Ke Zhen'er cant really fly....it's just qinggong, right? i dont know much about qinggong, but i bloody hell know it's not flying...Superman flies, To-be-Senator Petrelli guy in Heroes flies, Ke Zhen'er definitely doesnt.....

[Crazy8]

many of you need to go to wikipedia or somewhere to read up on batman. alot of you do not have much knowledge of batman and what hiis capable of doing
with enough gadgets he can easily take down the sweeper monk. Batman is one of those fighters that do not show themself, he takes that into his adventage and causes many of his foes to be scare of him. No one know where or when his gona get you but he will get you.

[PJ]

I wonder how Batman would fare against SWORDSMAN SURVIVAL winner Ding Peng, who learned his kung fu from a fox spirit and was said to have reached the level which could effectively counter the ultimate wrath of death

Or how Batman would fare against Yue Maiden Ah Qing, who could smoke an army of thousands in a flash.

Or best yet, how well Batman would fare against the combined forces of Ouyang Feng + 4 Masters of Quanzhen, whom Jin Yong endorsed to be infinitely stronger than Huang Yaoshi's martial arts.

[Ken Cheng]

I wonder how Batman would fare against SWORDSMAN SURVIVAL winner Ding Peng, who learned his kung fu from a fox spirit and was said to have reached the level which could effectively counter the ultimate wrath of death

Or how Batman would fare against Yue Maiden Ah Qing, who could smoke an army of thousands in a flash.

Or best yet, how well Batman would fare against the combined forces of Ouyang Feng + 4 Masters of Quanzhen, whom Jin Yong endorsed to be infinitely stronger than Huang Yaoshi's martial arts.

Give Batman a quiet hour in the Batcave and he'll devise thirty-seven ways to get rid of all of them.

[Ken Cheng]

i think Ke Zhen'er is superior in Strength. And as for Quickness, they're probably equal.

Well, there you have it: Batman routinely defeats people whose strength is far superior to his.

As for quickness, that's debatable, but how is Ohr Jen Ngok for stealth? Here's how good Batman's stealth is: Superman can hear a pin drop on Earth from high up in Earth's atmosphere (at the edge of space). He has telescopic and X-Ray vision that enable him to see just about anything on the planet. Batman routinely just *ditches* Superman, leaving the Man of Steel talking to himself many seconds after Batman has already disappeared. After all their years as allies and friends, Superman still wonders how Batman does that to him.

Ohr Jen Ngok is blind. He has no chance of detecting Batman at all. Ohr Jen Ngok's good hearing as a side effect of being blind can't compare to Superman's Kryptonian superhearing, which isn't good enough for Superman to detect Batman by hearing (Batman has all kinds of sound dampeners built into his costume, which block out all sounds emitted from his body, including heartbeat, pulse, and breathing, among other things; when he wants to, Batman can make himself invisible, inaudible, and undetectable by any Earth-built detection devices).

LOL, for the fight to be fair, the Bat car should not be taken into account. Or else, even Super Monk would also be carried to the hospital after receiving a crash.

OK, no Batmobile, but it's not fair to selectively take away Batman's advantages while letting Ohr Jen Ngok have all of his (and even giving him back his sight). Even so, Batman would *still* whip Ohr Jen Ngok.

I think 2 Freaks are too much for Batman to handle already, what would Batman do if his gadgets are stolen by Zho Cong?

No way. People ten times more dangerous than any of the Gong Nam 7 Freaks are the kinds of people that Batman takes down on what he would call a "slow Tuesday night" in Gotham City.

Pickpocketing is just one of hundreds of skills that Bruce Wayne mastered to become the Batman. Chu Chung would not be able to get the utility belt off of him (specifically, the utility belt is designed with a device that electrocutes any person not authorized by Batman to touch it; if Chu Chung tries to make a grab for the utility belt, he'll be fried). Moreover, if the belt is somehow removed from Batman's person without his disarming a certain device, the belt will explode and destroy itself within several seconds.

Hey, I love the Gong Nam 7 Freaks: they were cool characters in LOCH and Gwok Jing's teachers, but they don't have a snowball's chance in hell against Batman.

[QF]

wwow...


Guess bat man is just invincible then huh?

How about just a friendly fight??

Not dual to the death, just a friendly fight to see who has the better Martial Art skills?

[Snafu3721]

wwow...


Guess bat man is just invincible then huh?

How about just a friendly fight??

Not dual to the death, just a friendly fight to see who has the better Martial Art skills?

If that's the ONLY criteria, then maybe Ke Zhen'er...

But taking away Batman's wit and gadgets is like taking away Ke Zhen'er's internal energy. So a firendly fight wouldn't necessarily be a fair one.

[Ken Cheng]

wwow...


Guess bat man is just invincible then huh?

Batman's not invincible, but it's going to take people much more clever, resourceful, and capable than the Gong Nam 7 Freaks to defeat him. Beating Batman is not about physical force (unless one has obscene, cosmic amounts of it); it's about psychology and strategy. The Freaks were not much good in either of those departments.

How about just a friendly fight??

Not dual to the death, just a friendly fight to see who has the better Martial Art skills?

Batman's martial arts should be good enough to handle any one Freak. Don't know about all seven of them together, though.