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    does any1 kno how many han soldier = to 1 mongol soldier in wuxia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR
    does any1 kno how many han soldier = to 1 mongol soldier in wuxia?
    They're equal.

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    probably 1 mongol = 5 han on normal conditions and the general army; however, the army trained personally by GJ was claimed by Mongke Khan to be not inferior to the Mongolian army. In other words, 1 GJ trained Han soldier=1 Mongol.
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    I'd always have the impression that Mongol men are bigger in size than Han men. So maybe 1 mongol soldier = 2 Han soilders as in terms of physical strength comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellamia
    I'd always have the impression that Mongol men are bigger in size than Han men. So maybe 1 mongol soldier = 2 Han soilders as in terms of physical strength comparison.

    Mathematically, if 1 mongol soldier's strength is 2 times of that Han soldier, their physique would be twice as big.

    Assuming the Han soldier was 1.5M in heights, the mongol sold would be 3M in height.

    Although I would not rule out the minor possibility that a mongol soldier can reach a height of 3 metres; but having that as the average height of a mongol soldeir would be rather impossible.

    It would make more sense if you phrase it in the way such as 1 mongol soldier can slay 2-5 Han soldier. In this scenario, many aspect comes into play, a few example would be strength, experience, morale, emotions......which to debate over is erroneous.

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    What are you on about?

    Strength has nothing to do with height (taller people does more work, not power). Strength is proportional to muscle cross section area not length. Having strength does not mean you can use it in a fight.

    Mongol armies are more effective than Han armies, not mainly because their individuals have more strength. It's because they are more ferocious, work well together as a team, and more skilled (as in the horse archer). The mongol army ripped nearly all armies apart during their reign, regardless of how big each individual are of their respective armies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yittz
    Mongol armies are more effective than Han armies.
    Actually, it depends on what aspects one uses to compare them. The Mongols were so impressive during their conquests in Eurasia during the 13th Century that an important fact is overlooked: the Chinese were able to resist them for nearly eighty years (far longer than any other civilization and no, it wasn't because of Gwok Jing on Earth-Real).

    Let's divide up the two armies (Mongol and Chinese) according various categories.

    Manpower: Historically (including today), this is where the Chinese have always held the advantage against all enemies. The Chinese numerical advantage was huge, and it was doubly huge against the much smaller Mongol army. As breathtakingly successful as the Mongols were in their conquests, one thing they could never count upon was overwhelming the enemy with superior numbers. There were just never enough Mongolian soldiers for that (not even after the Mongols began hiring foreign mercenaries to bolster their forces). ADVANTAGE: CHINESE.

    Technology: China's military technology was among the most advanced in the world during the 13th Century. Gunpowder, walled fortresses, catapults, flamethrowers: all of these were devices used by the Chinese military against the Mongols during the long sieges of the late Sung Dynasty. By comparison, the Mongols' native military technology was simplistic at best. The Mongols, however, were canny warriors, and the tide began to turn gradually in their favor when they began incorporating Chinese military technology into their own tactics, and made better use of that technology than its inventors did. ADVANTAGE: CHINESE, BUT GRADUALLY APPROPRIATED BY MONGOLS.

    Strategy and Tactics: On the open steppe, nobody could defeat the Mongols. They were the single greatest cavalry force in the premodern world. The Mongols swept through the steppe lands of Central Asia and the Middle East like an irresistable storm, swallowing numerous medieval states in their wake. China, however, posed a great difficulty because its varied terrain did now allow the Mongols to really take advantage of their superior cavalry tactics. The Chinese were much more familar with urban siege warfare and fighting in terrain such as wooded forests, mountains, and swamp lands. To defeat the Chinese, the Mongols needed time to adjust to their tactics (which they did, but it took years). ADVANTAGE: CHINESE.

    Home Field Advantage: Leading in from the previous item, the home field advantage belonged to the Chinese: ADVANTAGE CHINESE.

    Logistics and Resources: The Sung Dynasty had the natural resources of the Chinese Central Plains backing it. The Mongols had everything that encompassed their empire at the time, which spanned the territory from the Middle East to Korea. Potentially, the Mongols had greater resources at their disposal, but transporting and distributing it to where it was needed would have been a tremendous challenge. The Chinese, on the other hand, had it all "in-house." ADVANTAGE: CHINESE.

    Leadership and Organization: This was the Achilles' Heel of the Chinese military during the Sung Dynasty. The Chinese military was led by a bureaucratic civilian government of scholars and philosophers, many of whom had no stomach for nor any practical experience in the art of warfare. Genghis Khan and his generals were cunning and seasoned warriors, and they had trained and organized their armies for utmost efficiency. The Mongol army, though much smaller than the Chinese army, was highly mobile and flexible, and could easily outflank much larger military forces. ADVANTAGE MONGOLS.

    Morale and Inspiration: Genghis Khan had a sense of manifest destiny for his people and his nation, and one of the reasons why he is regarded as one of history's great (albeit extremely cruel) leaders is that he was able to convey this sense of destiny to his people. Genghis Khan believed deeply in the ideal of the Mongol Empire, and because he had won his people's love and esteem, they believed in it just as deeply. The Mongols fought without fear; they fought with a drive for glory. In contrast, the Chinese army was composed of poorly trained, demoralized, reluctant draftees who wanted to be anywhere else but the battlefield. One could hardly blame the Chinese troops for being uninspired, however: with the weak, ineffective, and indifferent "leadership" provided by the Sung emperor and his officials, where were they to get the inspiration from? ADVANTAGE: MONGOLS.

    Looking at this list, it would seem that the Chinese held most of the advantages over the Mongols, so how did the Chinese lose? The Mongols' determination to succeed in their goal was able to outlast the vast resources of the Chinese in a long war of attrition. When the Mongols began hostilities against Sung China, the Sung actually held enough material advantages to conceivably mount a successful repulsion of the Mongol invasion. Unfortuantely, China's resouces were so poorly managed and used that in time, the Mongols were able to chip away at it until it crumbled altogether late in the 13th Century. Nonetheless, it is a testament to China's fundamental strength that it was able to resist the Mongols for as long as it did...longer than any other sedentary Eurasian civilization did during that period of history.

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    Depends,some han soldiers were martial artists. Those that are martial artists could handle more mongolian soldiers i guess.

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