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Thread: Gang Wars : GJ vs -All the Henchmens-

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    Default Gang Wars : GJ vs -All the Henchmens-

    GJ vs

    5 QZ master <-- notice 5
    Yang kang's henchmen
    Murong Fu's henchmen
    5 Wudang ppl <-- notice 5
    Zhao min's 3 henchmen
    the mongolian price's henchmen in ROCH excluding golden wheel monk
    WXB's 7 wives

    note:
    -GJ take them all at once
    -the best of the 5 for both except not ZWJ's dad
    -juss imagine the situation of all the henchmen dressed in mongolian soldiers uniform marching into xiang yang and GJ comes out to save xiang yang and the battle begins
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    This time, you'd better specify, does Gwok Jing try to take them all at once, or does he take them one at a time?

    Also, which five Cheun Jen Disciples and from what time period? These details you leave out make a *huge* difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
    This time, you'd better specify, does Gwok Jing try to take them all at once, or does he take them one at a time?
    this time its all at once. juss imagine the situation of all the henchmen dressed in mongolian soldiers uniform marching into xiang yang and GJ comes out to save xiang yang and the battle begins
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR
    GJ vs

    5 QZ master <-- notice 5
    Yang kang's henchmen
    Murong Fu's henchmen
    5 Wudang ppl <-- notice 5
    Zhao min's 3 henchmen
    the mongolian price's henchmen in ROCH excluding golden wheel monk
    WXB's 7 wives

    GJ take them all at once

    LOL ...I don't think GJ would hurt WXB's wives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuGu1995
    LOL ...I don't think GJ would hurt WXB's wives.
    GJ was willing to kill huang rong for his sifu :O he can do anything for his country!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR
    this time its all at once. juss imagine the situation of all the henchmen dressed in mongolian soldiers uniform marching into xiang yang and GJ comes out to save xiang yang and the battle begins
    By the time it's over, Gwok Jing will probably be dead, but so will probably 80% of his opponents. The ones who survive will be the ones smart enough to not join the battle too early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
    By the time it's over, Gwok Jing will probably be dead, but so will probably 80% of his opponents. The ones who survive will be the ones smart enough to not join the battle too early.
    wouldnt one 18 dragon palm take out half the guy already?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR
    GJ was willing to kill huang rong for his sifu
    No, he wasn't. That was one of the worst dilemmas he'd ever had to face in his life.

    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR
    :O he can do anything for his country!
    Later, we saw that he was willing to sacrifice a daughter or two for the country. If there were something he was not willing to part with for the good of his people, we don't know what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR
    wouldnt one 18 dragon palm take out half the guy already?
    Depends on how diffuse the blast is. Some of those opponents were pretty quick on their feet with hing gung. They're not going to just stand there and wait to get blasted. The large number of targets means Gwok Jing won't be able to hit more than a handful of them with any single blast of the Hong Lung 18 Palms.

    This is going to take all of Gwok Jing's knowledge of formations to pull out. I think his martial arts were well-suited for combatting groups, wasn't it? Still, this particular group might be more than he can singlehandedly handle.

    The wives of Wai Siu Bo are next to irrelevant here, but everybody else collectively make for a good wrecking crew.

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    5 QZ master =~ 50% GJ
    Yang kang's henchmen =~ 10% GJ
    Murong Fu's henchmen =~ 40% GJ
    5 Wudang ppl =~ 40% GJ
    Zhao min's 3 henchmen =~ 40% GJ
    the mongolian price's henchmen in ROCH excluding golden wheel monk =~ not sure but > 0 % GJ
    WXB's 7 wives =~ 5% GJ
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    In total, Guo Jing would be fighting against a combined force which is ~ twofold (200%!) as powerful as himself.
    --> He would lose eventually?
    No! Since at the last minute, Huang Rong (me) would appear as a Deus ex machina leading a big professional Song army to rescue GJ and tie all the rebels up.
    Yang Guo & Zhou Botong said in Chapters 6, 11 & 25 of ROCH:
    - 这道姑也算得美了,只是还不及桃花岛郭伯母,更加不及我姑姑。
    - 原来郭伯母竟是这般美貌,小时候我却不觉得。
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huang Rong
    5 QZ master =~ 50% GJ
    Yang kang's henchmen =~ 10% GJ
    Murong Fu's henchmen =~ 40% GJ
    5 Wudang ppl =~ 40% GJ
    Zhao min's 3 henchmen =~ 40% GJ
    the mongolian price's henchmen in ROCH excluding golden wheel monk =~ not sure but > 0 % GJ
    WXB's 7 wives =~ 5% GJ
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    In total, Guo Jing would be fighting against a combined force which is ~ twofold (200%!) as powerful as himself.
    --> He would lose eventually?
    No! Since at the last minute, Huang Rong (me) would appear as a Deus ex machina leading a big professional Song army to rescue GJ and tie all the rebels up.
    but then wei xiao bao will bring in kangxi and his manchurian army :O ok too off topic lol
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    He could kill some of these people from a distance with his arrows. By the time they came face to face, the odds against him are less.

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    of course, GJ has reached the peak of perfection in archery skills! And GJ's Dipper Formation is going to help him out tremendously. According to the novel, there should seem to be 7 GJ fighting.
    法王正欲回掌相击,突听嗤嗤轻响一股柔和的气流涌向面门,正是一灯大师使出一阳指功夫,正面拦截。法王一直没将这白眉老僧放在眼内,那料到他这一指之功,竟是如此深厚
    此时一灯大师的一阳指功夫实已到了登峰造极、炉火纯青的地步,指上发出的那股罡气似是温淳平和,但沛然浑厚,无可与抗

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    I think the Zhao Min 3 henchmen would be hard for GJ to deal with simultaneously.

    Edit: I wouldn't take the Big Dipper comment to indicate that GJ can fight with 7 people without suffering numerical disadvantage problems, rather I interpret it to be more like, GJ was so good at moving around and knowing where to be that he seemed to be everywhere at once. In the same way you might say that about some master basketball player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR

    5 QZ master <-- notice 5
    Yang kang's henchmen
    Murong Fu's henchmen
    5 Wudang ppl <-- notice 5
    Zhao min's 3 henchmen
    the mongolian price's henchmen in ROCH excluding golden wheel monk
    WXB's 7 wives
    GJ would win against...

    5 QZ masters- because GJ knows the intricacies of the big dipper formation and he is good enough to "control" the north star position. HYS was already able to defeat a "6 daoist" combination of QZ masters, AND HYS wasn't fighting his hardest (he was trying to figure out how to defeat the formation itself rather than killing the daoists off individually.) If HYS, can do that, GJ in his prime will annilate 5 QZ masters.

    Yang Kang's henchmen-- because HYS, OYF, or any of the Greats in LOCH (not even ROCH) can kill them in one technique. Examples being: HYS ripping off one henchmen's arm, HYS and OYF picking up another henchmen by grabbing his blubber, H7G ripping off the hair of the herbalist henchman who owned the snake.

    MRF's Henchmen- because some speculate that GJ can be =~ to QF. If that's the case, then GJ should be able to seal the acupoints of MRF's henchmen in a matter of seconds as well within a few techniques. In fact, QF didn't even resort to top tier Martial arts like XL18P...So piece of cake for GJ.

    5 Wudang disciples- because without ZCS, the other disciples weren't necessarily better than the QZ 7. Besides, fighting in Sphere formation will probably take a lot of room, if GJ really was being bombarded by that many enemies, there just isn't sufficient space for them to utilize their techniques. I'd imagine them running into other people with their swords... and by the time GJ has killed off the other folk and freed up space, the 5 heroes alone just can't beat him.

    ZM's henchmen- because ZWJ could've DESTROYED them if he wasn't tryin to just use TaiChi techniques. At that time, Z3F still praised GJ's martial arts as superior to his own and ZWJ's internal was roughly equal to GJ's. So if GJ went all out using 9-yin claws, Dragon palms, Finger Flick... I don't think ZM's henchmen would last long either.

    Mongolian henchmen- because if ZBT can make complete fools of these people when not even fighting for his life, so can GJ.

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    QZ 5 master during ROCH and wudang 5 masters were not pushovers,the strongest of the QZ masters was like 20% of GJ,and the rest were only a little behind,so QZ5 and Wudang 5 is enough to take care of GJ

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    GJ vs

    5 QZ master <-- notice 5
    Yang kang's henchmen
    Murong Fu's henchmen
    5 Wudang ppl <-- notice 5
    Zhao min's 3 henchmen
    the mongolian price's henchmen in ROCH excluding golden wheel monk
    WXB's 7 wives

    Ok YK's henchmen, MRF's henchmen, WXB's wives does not worse mentioning, they might get in the way in fact.

    In terms of QZ, now 7 of them in formation is likely to be defeated by HYS in LOCH, and GJ if he was at the same level. I think ROCH GJ improved more than the QZ 7, so even if they were alive they will still lose. With 5, without formation, none of the greats should have any problems.

    5 WD disciples, ZWJ could defeat in a short period of time (albeit using weird Persian techniques).

    The hencemen, individually should be stronger than 1 QZ. But as shown in ROCH with YG and GJ, greats take them out with little effort.

    ZM's henchmen is probably equivalent to 3 XM elders, so together probably > than the QZ/WD threat.

    Not sure if GJ can win. If we play the percentages addition, of course GJ is disadvantaged. However remember, XF showed what he can do to a large number of fighters 2 levels down. If the minows work together, its gg for GJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
    I think his martial arts were well-suited for combatting groups, wasn't it?
    Left-Right technique with Vacant Fist and 18 Dragon Palms backed up by 9 Yin enables him to fight multiple enemies with two completely opposite powerful attacks while reserving his energy at the same time. Unless Gwok Jing pulls a "Superman" and decides to hold back he'll definitely win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuNaR
    GJ was willing to kill huang rong for his sifu :O he can do anything for his country!
    no he didn't!!!!!!
    but ke zhen e was trying to make him

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    just the five masters would be a serious problem for Guo Jing

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