Eagle Shooting Heroes (LoCH), Chapter 4 and onward.

[Da Bao]

I think xuelian is strapped with school work for the moment.
She'll be back.

Ah... Whew... *relieved*

[Du Gu seeking a win]

I think xuelian is strapped with school work for the moment.
She'll be back.

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I think Jin Yong_fan should wipe out/edit out her posting first , excuse herself and promise never to do such a thing again in the future.

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[Da Bao]

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I think Jin Yong_fan should wipe out/edit out her posting first , excuse herself and promise never to do such a thing again in the future.

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Edit what post? What did she say?

[jin_yong_fan]

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I think Jin Yong_fan should wipe out/edit out her posting first , excuse herself and promise never to do such a thing again in the future.

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ummmmm.......may i ask wat did i do rong?????

[rayon]

ummmmm.......may i ask wat did i do rong?????

Probably that last post you made in this thread. The one with the translation from the French version.

[chuy605]

ummm..intersting

[atlantean0208]

Probably that last post you made in this thread. The one with the translation from the French version.

yehh, because she said that that translation is taken from another website when in fact is still from SPCNET

[eliza bennet]

I'm so happy that Xuelian wil come back Thanks for the good news.

[Da Bao]

I'm so happy that Xuelian wil come back Thanks for the good news.

Yeah... Let's throw a welcome back party when she gets here!! Wait... We can't....
*gets party hats and stuff anyways*

[nisachar]

yeah! we all are waiting for the more of the translations. loch is the best(at least i think so) of the jin yong novel and it is so backward compared to roch and the others. can't wait to read more.

XUELIAN please hurry up! hehe

[nisachar]

yeah! we all are waiting for the more of the translations. loch is the best(at least i think so) of the jin yong novel and it is so backward compared to roch and the others. can't wait to read more.

XUELIAN please hurry up! hehe

[Da Bao]

yeah! we all are waiting for the more of the translations. loch is the best(at least i think so) of the jin yong novel and it is so backward compared to roch and the others. can't wait to read more.

XUELIAN please hurry up! hehe

Umm... You have a double post... and you really think LoCH is the best one? Out of the trilogy I think RoCH is the best because it has more plot to it.

[nisachar]

Umm... You have a double post... and you really think LoCH is the best one? Out of the trilogy I think RoCH is the best because it has more plot to it.

the posting of the same was of course a mistake. actually as it happened the internet here in nepal is slow(dial up) and on top of that i am using through the LAN network so first time i posted it, it didn't gave response so i navigated back and posted it again, so by accident it was posted twice.

AND OF COURSE LOCH IS THE BEST AMONG THE CONDOR TRILOGY.

[eliza bennet]

AND OF COURSE LOCH IS THE BEST AMONG THE CONDOR TRILOGY.

Sure is!!!!!!!

[Da Bao]

Sure is!!!!!!!

Sure, sure... I still think RoCH is better... but that's just me

[fox-s]

Sure, sure... I still think RoCH is better... but that's just me

Shhhh .. tap .. tap .. tap ... now, now .... baby don't you cry ... (I love Disney's older movies, so this time I remember Dumbo's mother)

I agree with you, or else, why would I translate the ROCH when the LOCH is waaayyyy .. behind. However, may I remind you that this is the LOCH thread?

[Da Bao]

Shhhh .. tap .. tap .. tap ... now, now .... baby don't you cry ... (I love Disney's older movies, so this time I remember Dumbo's mother)

I agree with you, or else, why would I translate the ROCH when the LOCH is waaayyyy .. behind. However, may I remind you that this is the LOCH thread?

Yeah... I know this is the LoCH thread. I like LoCH too! ALMOST as much as I like RoCH... ALMOST!

[Anonymous]

Indirect Support for LOCH
Hi,
Additional info on relationship between OYF [West Poison] and H7G [North Beggar]:

Joseph Campbell, POWER OF MYTH: For example, a constant image is that of the conflict between the eagle [spiritual/righteousness] and the serpent [worldly]. The serpent bound to the earth, the eagle in spiritual flight -- isn't that conflict something we all experience? And then, when the two amalgamate, we get a wonderful dragon [H7G: his balance of righteousness], a serpent with wings.

--- Recall that GJ is mainly H7G's "pupil"; GJ resolves his heroic conflict during 2nd Huashan because of H7G's answer to QQR's [Iron Palm] question, and GJ's final fight is with H7G (presumably to demonstrate GJ can reach H7G's level of understanding).
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Extending a previous statement regarding GJ's enlightenment;
answering why HuangRong (GJ's wife) breaks GJ's question of "Who am I?":

INTRO: During the 2nd Huashan, GJ has a mental conflict with using his martial arts: he does not want to harm anyone. However, H7G reveals that he (H7G) kills only those who deserve to die; somehow, this leads GJ's quest for himself into completion. However, when OYF [West Poison] voices his "Who am I?" litany, GJ follows. Fortunately, HuangRong is able to break GJ's question of "Who am I?" Why?

PREVIOUS STATEMENT: GJ near end of LOCH was searching for peace/enlightenment becuz he knows the hopeless of "action"/(martial arts). He understand an interconnectedness of life. He's in the practice of "negation" [Tao]. Your passage means that GJ at this point in time is a "warrior" [nurtured into martial arts] and he's questioning why do it becuz from martial arts comes both good and evil [duality]. What H7G told him and GJ realize is that: be a warrior, but use this function for the good of all (use martial arts for good) [but not just the good of "Han": aka be XENA the warrior princess. haha].

--- PossibleAnswer: GJ's conflict about his life is already resolved by H7G's answer to QQR: his life and martial arts background have a useful purpose in society. The "Who am I?" is a red herring: according to Buddhism, GJ already found his goal (his goal in life), but he continues to use the "vehicle/tool" of "Who am I?" If not for HR, GJ almost overshoots his goal and traps himself with the tool "Who am I?" -- just like OYF [West Poison].

[xfiberloss]

I don't post ever, and I doubt I'll make it a habit. But I tried my hand at translating since Xuelian hasn't been around. I hope no one minds. I kind of went over where Patudo translated, which helped me get my feet wet as I learned ths ins and outs of everything. I realize I missed a lot of the subtle things in the language, but hopefully this'll be easier to read than his version.

You'll notice that I took a very simplistic approach to adverbs, adjectives and quote attributions. A part of that comes from being a journalist, and another part of that comes from not being quite certain about some of the Chinese sentences. I'd rather err on the side of caution and accuracy than color and fallacy. Also, no serial commas.

This is really time consuming, so I'd like to thank all the translators who have ever posted in this forum. They're amazing. I feel burnt already on just a few paragraphs.

Anyways, without further ado:

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Chapter 12: The Proud Dragon Shows Remorse
Part 4

As dawn arose the next day, Guo Jing was already in the forest practicing the first move of “The 18-Dragon Subduing Palms,” “The Proud Dragon Shows Remorse.” He began to sweat heavily after 20 minutes of drilling but felt encouraged by his progress. Then he heard voices approaching him.

“Master, we walked over 30 miles this time, right?” one voice said.

“Yes, your endurance has improved slightly,” the other voice said.

The spoken dialects sounded familiar to Guo Jing. Soon, four people came into view, lead by a young man with white hair. He was none other than Guo Jing’s greatest foe, Liang Ziweng, the immortal ginseng fairy.

Silently cursing, Guo Jing turned to run away, but Liang Ziweng already recognized him. “Where can you run?” he said as he and his disciples began their pursuit. They broke up into three groups to catch Guo Jing.

“If I can get out of the forest and make it back to the inn, I’ll be safe,” Guo Jing thought as he started running faster.

Liang Ziweng’s top disciple intercepted Guo Jing, crossed his palms and shouted, “Little thief, kneel to me!” Using a powerful technique taught by his master, the disciple tried to grab Guo Jing’s chest.

As he shouted back, Guo Jing slightly crouched, bent his right arm and made a circle with his right palm, beginning, for the first time outside of practice, “The Proud Dragon Shows Remorse.”

The top disciple felt the powerful force approach, so he changed his attack and grabbed at Guo Jing’s arm, hoping that would stop the palm. Instead, he lost consciousness as his arm broke and his body was thrown six to seven feet away.

Guo Jing couldn’t imagine he possessed so much power. He stared in shock before starting to run again.

Startled and angry, the immortal ginseng fairy jumped out of the forest. When Guo Jing finally emerged from the trees, he found Liang Ziweng standing in front of him. He immediately crouched, bent his arm and made a circle with his palm, executing “The Proud Dragon Shows Remorse” once more. Although Liang Ziweng did not recognize the move, he threw himself to the ground to escape its pure, powerful force. Guo Jing took his chance and ran. When Liang Ziweng began his pursuit again, Guo Jing had already reached the inn.

“Huang Rong! Huang Rong!” Guo Jing yelled. “That evil man is here to drink my blood!”

When Huang Rong came out of the inn, she saw that it really was Liang Ziweng. “How did this old, strange man get here?” she thought. “Well, this is a good chance to test out my ‘Wandering Strides’ kung fu.”

“Brother Jing, don’t be afraid of this strange, old man,” she said. “You start the fight, and I’ll come help you. We’ll make him suffer.”

“Rong-er doesn’t understand how powerful this strange, old man is,” Guo Jing thought. “That’s why she’s so relaxed.” He attacked.

Recalling what happened before, Liang Ziweng recognized the force being thrown at him as “The Proud Dragon Shows Remorse,” so he twisted his body out of the way. But the palm slightly brushed across his right arm, burning him painfully. Guo Jing’s unimaginable improvement in just a month convinced Liang Ziweng that the blood of the venomous snake really did bestow miraculous powers. He was filled with even more anger as he attacked again.

Guo Jing once again used “The Proud Dragon Shows Remorse.”

Liang Ziweng saw he could not stop the fierce attack. But then he observed Guo Jing never followed up the stance with another, accompanying strike. His fear quickly dwindled.

“You little idiot,” he said. “Is that the only move you know?”

“You can’t resist my only move,” Guo Jing said without thinking. Then he once again used “The Proud Dragon Shows Remorse.”

But Liang Ziweng jumped out of the way and landed behind Guo Jing. Guo Jing turned on a dime and threw the palm again, but Liang Ziweng leapt behind him once more. After three more rounds, Guo Jing felt tired and confused.

Seeing him about to lose, Huang Rong said, “Brother Jing, let me fight.”

Huang Rong leapt into the middle of the fight as Guo Jing once again unleashed “The Proud Dragon Shows Remorse.” Liang Ziweng leapt away from both attackers. In the meantime, Guo Jing retreated two steps to watch Huang Rong fight the immortal ginseng fairy.

Although Huang Rong learned the mysterious “Wandering Strides,” she had just absorbed the knowledge and therefore did not possess absolute mastery. Against Liang Ziweng, whose skill level was far superior, she held her own because she was wearing the soft-hedgehog armor, which protected her from injury. Nevertheless, before she could complete all 36 moves of the “Wandering Strides” style, Liang Ziweng forced her into a bad position.

His two junior disciples, supporting their injured elder disciple brother, saw their master on the verge of victory and cheered him on.

Guo Jing prepared himself to help Huang Rong with an immediate strike, but Hong Qigong’s voice emanated from the window.

“His next move is ‘The Vicious Dog Blocks the Way,’” he said.

Surprised, Huang Rong noticed Liang Ziweng’s legs were spread in the horse stance with both his fists forming “The Evil Tiger Blocks the Road.” She couldn’t help but giggle at how Hong Qigong changed the name of “The Evil Tiger Blocks the Road” to “The Vicious Dog Blocks the Way.” Then she wondered about how he managed to predict the stance.

“Here comes ‘The Smelly Snake Drinks the Water,’” Hong Qigong said.

Huang Rong knew he meant “The Black Dragon Drinks the Water,” a fierce frontal attack that exposed the back. By the time Hong Qigong finished speaking, Huang Rong had circled around Liang Ziweng, putting him in the position of defender instead of attacker. But with his profound abilities, he managed to escape from danger by changing mid-movement and flying away. When he landed on his feet, he angrily shouted at the window, “Why won’t the venerable master come out?”

He received no response. “How can this person predict my stances?” he thought.

Knowing that she possessed a powerful master on her side, Huang Rong fearlessly took the initiative and attacked. Liang Ziweng responded with a ferocious blow. Huang Rong knew she was in danger when she felt the powerful force approach.

“Do not fear,” Hong Qigong said. “He will use ‘The Little Monkey with the Rotten Bottom Climes the Trees!’”

Huan Rong giggled as she saw Liang Ziweng lift his fists and strike downwards with tremendous strength. He was indeed preparing for “The Ape Climbs the Trees.” He jumped up into the air to strike Huang Rong, but she positioned her fist in such a way that if Liang Ziweng continued his jump, his head would be hit by her first. He had to change immediately. When an opponent approaches an enemy who has predicted what his next move will be and cannot change, then he will suffer a great defeat. Luckily for Liang Ziweng, his level of accomplishment in the martial arts was so much higher than Huang Rong’s that he could quickly escape from his precarious position.

With another move broken apart, Liang Ziweng jumped away from the fight and shouted at the window, “If you don’t show yourself, brother, then it’s no wonder that I won’t be merciful to this girl.”

Liang Ziweng then attacked with stances that quickly flowed into one another like the pouring rain in a violent storm — a new blow starting before the prior one finished. Huang Rong was pushed back by the flood as Hong Qicong could no longer shout out the moves early enough time for her to react.

Not being able to bear watching Huang Rong in a state of confusion as she dodged frantically, Guo Jing once again unleashed “The Proud Dragon Shows Remorse” and forced Liang Ziweng to end his deluge and jump away.

“Brother Jing, attack him again three more times,” Huang Rong said as she went back into the inn.

Guo Jing simply waited for Liang Ziweng to attack and, without any logic, returned all of the immortal ginseng fairy’s stances with “The Proud Dragon Shows Remorse.”

Both angry and amused, Liang Ziweng thought, “I don’t know where this dumb kid learned this move, but no matter what I do, he uses it.”

Although Guo Jing only knew this one move, Liang Ziweng couldn’t tell for certain if Guo Jing actually knew more. The two men stood a few meters apart, motionless and rigid.

“Little fool, here I come!” Liang Ziweng said as he suddenly jumped into the air and attacked.

Guo Jing threw out his palm. Unexpectedly, Liang Ziweng twisted mid-air, raising his right hand to release three separate attacks to the top, the middle and bottom of the body. Guo Jing quickly dodged, but Liang Ziweng took advantage of the situation and grabbed Guo Jin’s throat with a hand as fast lightning.

Startled, Guo Jing elbowed Liang Ziweng, but he felt like he just hit a wad of cotton.

Liang Ziweng prepared to deliver a killing blow, when he heard Huang Rong shout, “Old man, look at what I have!”

Aware of her cunning, Liang Ziweng grasped Guo Jing tightly before turning around to see Huang Rong approaching with a bamboo stick, greener than the finest jade.

“Hong … Master Hong,” he said shakily.

“And yet you still don’t release him?” Huang Rong said.

When Liang Ziweng first heard the voice from the window predict his movies, he never expected it would be Hong Qicong, but once the bamboo stick appeared, he remembered the timbre of the voice and the dialect. He realized it was the man he feared the most, so he immediately released Guo Jing.

With both her hands holding the bamboo stick, Huang Rong said, “Qicong wants to know why you dared to cause trouble around here.”

Liang Ziweng knelt and said, “This nobody really didn’t know Master Hong was here. Even with all the courage in the world, I wouldn’t have come if I knew Master Hong was here.”

[Bubeng]

Appreciate your effort, thans! Feel free to translate some more, if you feel like it.

bubeng