HSDS What If: What if Cheung Chui San had been with Yu Doi Nam?

[Ken Cheng]

At the beginning of HSDS, Mo Dong Hero # 3 Yu Doi Nam was ambushed by Yan Yeh Wong and Yan So So after they lured him onto their ship. Yu was at a disadvantageous position because he was all alone. Originally, he had been traveling with Cheung Chui San, but shortly after they gained possession of the Dragon Sabre, they traveled separately: Cheung to settle matters with a coastal pirate that had been terrorizing people living along the coast, and Yu back to Mt. Mo Dong. What if they had traveled together back to Mo Dong? Could Yan Yeh Wong and Yan So So have successfully ambushed both of them?

Had all seven Mo Dong Heroes been together, it's doubtful anybody would have even tried to steal the Dragon Sabre.

[mawguy]

yeah, but the whole story would have been obsolete because cheung mo kei would not have been conceived. and that poor monkey would have that infectious manual in its belly until it died. :P

[batmankiller]

Although the seven wudang heroes together means no one of non-leader status would challenge them in martial arts.. they're could always be ambushes.. poisons in foods etc..

[Tazzy1972]

it would be difficult to ambush or poison all 7 at a go but than things are always possible

[Ken Cheng]

it would be difficult to ambush or poison all 7 at a go but than things are always possible

Chiu Mun was able to get four of them plus a whole slew of other wulin people, but I think that if all seven Mo Dong heroes are together, Yan Yeh Wong and Yan So So would have needed a better plan than the one that they used on Yu Doi Nam alone.

In some ways, You Doi Nam got himself into that predicament. He broke many wulin safety rules. Maybe he couldn't help getting lured onto the Heavenly Eagle Sect's ship, but after he was aboard, he should not have entered the hold. He should never have approached Yan Yeh Wong. Yu Doi Nam was a wulin veteran, but in this case, he did himself in by committing several wulin rookie mistakes.

[Linda]

i agree. even if cheung chui san was with yu doi nam, it would only mean cheung would have been lured away before they could ambush yu. yu still would have still relied to heavily on the 'gentlemans method of combat', if he didn't get hurt there it would have happened sooner or later.

cheung would have been really easy to be lured away, being a hero and all, a poor defenseless girl screaming 'help me' would have got him running.

if all seven were there, yan so so just has to create a big killing spree where our heroes will seperate to save the people, then lure yu away. though by this stage, i think the eldest diciple would have been carrying the sabra.

[Ken Cheng]

During the one time that we saw Cheung Chui San and Yu Doi Nam fighting side-by-side, the two martial brothers took on the Yuan mercenary Ah 3. The fight between the two Mo Dong Sect brothers and Ah 3 was cut short by the interference of the Sea Sand Sect.

If the fight had gone on without interruption, however, would the two brothers have been able to overcome Ah 3, or was he too much for the two of them?

[pannonian]

During the one time that we saw Cheung Chui San and Yu Doi Nam fighting side-by-side, the two martial brothers took on the Yuan mercenary Ah 3. The fight between the two Mo Dong Sect brothers and Ah 3 was cut short by the interference of the Sea Sand Sect.

If the fight had gone on without interruption, however, would the two brothers have been able to overcome Ah 3, or was he too much for the two of them?

? By the time we're introduced to any other of the Wudang heroes, Yu Daiyan was already a cripple.

From chapter 3:
1. Preliminary events leave Yu Daiyan disabled by Yin Susu's poison. She pays the Dragon Gate Escort Agency to take him to Wudang.
2. The Dragon Gate people meet the Mongol flunkies at the foot of Wudang mountain, and hand over Yu Daiyan.
3. Shortly after this, on their return journey, the Dragon Gate people are overtaken by Zhang Cuishan (our first glimpse of a Wudang hero other than Yu Daiyan), and they reveal they've already handed over Yu Daiyan to this bunch of people they took to be the Wudang disciples. Zhang Cuishan hurries to find Yu Daiyan.
4. Zhang Cuishan finds Yu Daiyan with his limbs shattered.

[Patudo]

Another TVB invention. Our esteemed moderator needs to RTFN. There's no excuse as large sections of text have now been translated

[Ken Cheng]

Another TVB invention. Our esteemed moderator needs to RTFN. There's no excuse as large sections of text have now been translated

Your esteemed moderator takes exception to being spoken to rudely.

I know my limitations, and so do you. Please don't give me needless grief over it.

[Patudo]

The difficulty I have with you, Ken, is this: Your knowledge of Jin Yong's work is based by your own admission purely on TVB. But as you know very well, TVB's adaptations deviate from the actual storyline. You'd be rightly pi$$ed off if I, having only watched the "New Shanghai Bund" and never having bothered to watch the original "The Bund" TVB series, presumed to repeatedly and wilfully relate plot details from, and pass commentary on, the original purely from my knowledge of the remakes. Itis obvious you have a lively interest in said author's works which is much to be applauded; I implore you to take advantage of the source of Jin Yong text painstakingly translated from the original that are only a click or two away from you.

[Ken Cheng]

The difficulty I have with you, Ken, is this: Your knowledge of Jin Yong's work is based by your own admission purely on TVB.

Supplemented, thankfully, by five years' worth of reading commentaries here at this and other wuxia forums. I've never hidden the fact that TVB is the source point of my Jin Yong knowledge, but I object to the "purely" part of your statement because in five years at SPCNET and ten years reading wuxia forums in general, I've gained much additional knowledge and insight, and I'm still looking for more (as always).

But as you know very well, TVB's adaptations deviate from the actual storyline. You'd be rightly pi$$ed off if I, having only watched the "New Shanghai Bund" and never having bothered to watch the original "The Bund" TVB series, presumed to repeatedly and wilfully relate plot details from, and pass commentary on, the original purely from my knowledge of the remakes.

No, I wouldn't...because it's none of my business. I've been commenting on the NEW SHANGHAI BUND thread over at the China Series Forum, and while I've been encouraging those who haven't seen the original to give it a spin, I have not shown any disrespect for or rudeness to those who haven't and don't plan to. I'd love for them to check out the original, but ultimately, it's none of my business whether they do or don't.

Itis obvious you have a lively interest in said author's works which is much to be applauded; I implore you to take advantage of the source of Jin Yong text painstakingly translated from the original that are only a click or two away from you.

I've said this before, and I've grown weary of having to repeat myself: I'll happily read all three CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY translations when ALL THREE novels are COMPLETELY translated and organized, and not a second before. Why? Because I like to finish what I begin and not be left hanging. You know how the translations go: sometimes they're abandoned for months at a time. Goodness knows when they'll all be done. I don't plan to read them until they're ALL done.

In any case, whatever I choose to do doesn't justify rudeness, which is what "RTFN" and the gratuitous use of this "smilie"---------> is.

[CFT]

Ken, why the need for all 3 to be completed? IIRC, LoCH is complete. How would the incomplete translation of the other 2 series detract from reading the first? Do you record all the episodes of a TV series first and then watch them just in case you might miss one?

[Ken Cheng]

Ken, why the need for all 3 to be completed? IIRC, LoCH is complete. How would the incomplete translation of the other 2 series detract from reading the first?

Because I know that there should be more coming, just not for certain or when.

I really dislike that. Pet peeve of mine.

Do you record all the episodes of a TV series first and then watch them just in case you might miss one?

When I can, yeah.

Last year, when the LOCH and ROCH DVDs (TVB 80s versions) were being released, I held out on buying them until TVB announced that it would be releasing HSDS '86. Had TVB not released HSDS '86, I would have continued to hold off on buying the LOCH and ROCH DVD sets until HSDS '86 became available.

It's just the way I do things.

[CFT]

You've got a lot of willpower.

[Radken]

Last year, when the LOCH and ROCH DVDs (TVB 80s versions) were being released, I held out on buying them until TVB announced that it would be releasing HSDS '86. Had TVB not released HSDS '86, I would have continued to hold off on buying the LOCH and ROCH DVD sets until HSDS '86 became available.

Ironically, while I'm watching LOCH '82 I'm planning to get ROCH '94 next. I don't care about HSDS and I consider DGSD more canonical.

[Single Whip]

I'll happily read all three CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY translations when ALL THREE novels are COMPLETELY translated and organized, and not a second before.

Reminds me of HYS. He made a resolution not to read/practice the 9 Yin manual, until both half is in his hands.

[KJ]

I've said this before, and I've grown weary of having to repeat myself: I'll happily read all three CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY translations when ALL THREE novels are COMPLETELY translated and organized, and not a second before. Why? Because I like to finish what I begin and not be left hanging. You know how the translations go: sometimes they're abandoned for months at a time. Goodness knows when they'll all be done. I don't plan to read them until they're ALL done.

By the way, Ken. Have you read the novels yet?