Thread: A step into the past - 寻秦记 - by Huang Yi

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    Quote Originally Posted by crydee View Post
    omg..!!Why Palestine and Canada is in China??!!...I know samsung meant well but please don't use systran software for translations...I wish all the translators who make SITP possible is back and in good health. May god give them some free time too.
    I am so desperate to read the story, I don't mind reading that 'rough' translation. I kind of like it. Even if it says pig can fly, Who cares...

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    I am so desperate to read the story, I don't mind reading that 'rough' translation. I kind of like it. Even if it says pig can fly, Who cares...

    GO SAMSUNG!!
    Sorry Pal..but using Pablo translator palestine means Ba and Canada means Jia..I don't know how to compose the sentences, but if you've already read the book again and again I'am sure that you can conclude the meaning of the sentences like me..who already read ending of the books.

    Here another one

    Seventh,[Gao Shouyun collection]

    Xiao Pan hit the field to float the bright successful battle, the heart sentiment is greatly good, has invited wholeheartedly the abdomen big feudal official altogether Jin noon the meals, left salty besides Huan Tizao positive has not been able the senate with, Lian Zhengxing Gao Cailie to wait Xiang Shaolong outside the palace to go to Wu Shixing hall noisy matter's Teng painstakingly Jing two people both to invite.

      Shang Youwang, Wang Ling, Lord Changping brothers, Li Si were guest of honor certainly.

      Didn't the midday feast in the harem imperial palace hold, have the Zhu professional female entertainer, Xiao Pan to how what kind, the happy side.

      After the palace lady offers the food and wine, stood has been caught up with, good let the people be possible to speak freely.

      After Xiao Pan and various person have appreciated Li Si heartfeltly, is one's turn the matter original notebook which Xiang Shaolong Ba last night occurred to say in detail.

      When hears acrobatics which Lv Buwei plays, the king flies into a rage said: “such said that beforehand Lu Gong and Xu Xian accuses the Lu thief to poison matter of the late king, must be is aimless. Now dares the one's old tricks to execute again, not, if we make first move and get control, kills Lu Zei and the traitorous party half not to remain, invites the crown prince to kindly grant.”

      Xiao Pan sighed the one breath, said: “if may be so easy, I summon early him in the person palace, falls the human the homicide. Is only present Lu Dangshi is big, also has Du Bi, cattail et al. eyes covetously, if the chaotic matter, Du Bi and so on colludes with the bystander to rebel, first east three counties with difficulty preserve. Most envied still had the Mongolian duck, one day did not pare his military authority, we still cancould act rashly.”

      Wang Lingzhei the steady faction also said: “idea of the nowadays, best, it would be better if waits the black dragon to be born, holds Du (poison) by to make Lv Buwei again, employs two methods to achieve one goal, is the ingenious plan.”

      Told only half that sees only Li Si and so on to face him to fiercely attack the meaningful glance, only then realized that immediately face like dying embers.

      The king said really in consternation: “what black dragon is born!”

      Xiao Pan once had the strict order, forbids anybody to disclose that matter of the black dragon, Wang Ling detected now has let slip the mouth, from is frightens wins honor nobody color.

      Xiao Pan says with a smile: “the mausoleum minister does not need to be offended, but only this.”

      Wang Ling relaxed, leaveing the table kneels knocks on apologizes.

       Xiang Shaolong sees Xiao Pan power and influence to increase day by day, both startled and happy, oneself do not clarify that feeling.

      Xiao Pan kissed to the king explained this afterward, king great happiness to Xiang Shaolong Zan said : “only then Xiaolong only then have this kind to indulge in the wildest fantasy are also accurate the feasible ingenious plan, diverts Lv Buwei by Du (poison) is wonderful. Had the example a moment ago. How no matter what some day Du (poison) momentum does increase, castrates the dog throughout castrates the dog, cannot look like Lv Buwei to buy the hearts of the people, even if he is superhuman, also cannot fly the veteran to refer to the seam certainly.”

      Wang outside Nai the Meng duck grasps the biggest strength the senior general, from will not place intraocularly Du (poison)ly.

      All because Lv Buwei fierce took root in the civil and military two sides, if not yet were deploying is appropriate when vacillated him, must go wrong. But Du (poison) in the final analysis is only Zhu Jidi male favors, what consequence will not bring except him, at best was only a turmoil; Xiao Pan has placed Mao Jiao said especially now he the one's side, but also feared that what type of sons he randomly does obtain.
    Lord Changping Leng Hng said : “instead Qiu Risheng is a cause of disaster, Xiaolong you have leisure in the afternoon in any case, although complies not to kill him Du (poison)ly, but frustrates his power and prestige is also the happy event.”



       Xiang Shaolong said still the not clarifying warrior temporary office of president's significance, freely spoken asked now.

      Wang Ling said : “wind of the temporary office of president, solid is introduces my Xianyang by Lord Yangquan from Chu country to come, is mainly trains the sword, for high-ranking court official minister to employ, is the warrior Jin body official way's shortcut, therefore quite prosperous. Also has high-ranking court official minister to escort to the children the temporary office of president to receive training. When Shaolong to on Qiu Risheng, is sure not to lower one's guard, because the temporary office of president often must deal with the sword challenge which each region comes, Qiu Risheng can teach at a private school or as private tutor the main position steadily, really has the genuine talent.”

      Xiao Pan says with a smile: “does he Guan Zhongxie the tube is wiser than?”

      The people one want also to be, raises glass drinks to heart's content. The people topic transfers to on three given name professional female entertainers, chats smiles, finished to the noon ricefield eel, Xiang Shaolong Shaobao the food foot, that also has the interest to ask Qiu Risheng to raise a rumpus and also cannot kill him, then returned to the government office to go.

      When the tipsy feeling upwells, Xiang Shaolong took an afternoon nap when the government office, wakes, cuts the friendly incoming telegram, in Shi Fu some people look for him.

      As soon as Xiang Shaolong leaves the hall to look that originally is four. Teng Yi is having the good gas ill-humored to listen to him to speak, sees the dragon to arrive at least, taking the opportunity fled busily.

      Four saw that Xiang Shaolong , flatters at the same time: “the little brother now is presents life of the elder brother to come, attends the evening banquet approximately especially imperator to in Shi Fu.”

       Xiang Shaolong is called the mother in secret, can face tonight suffers his mother's one evening Du (poison)ly. Is using one's head hastily looks for the pretext to decline.

      Four bent down near, did intentionally said mystically: “the tonight elder brother three female hundred elements fragrant have drunk certainly approximately, might not leak imperator's one naturally.”

       Xiang Shaolong mind immediately “buzz”, in great confusion, said that does not move again, deceived people.

      Shi Sufang and “the supple bone beautiful woman” blue palace ai that kind of rare outstandingly beautiful, vertical is the hostile standpoint likely, but if can have the opportunity contact, including his item little can, the reality not have how many men to be able to reject.

      Du (poison) so will be certainly unnatural, is willing to make his item little to be able the opportunity which will be intimate with Shi Sufang, in which to have for example Shi Sufang to assign surely to he attend, is willing to comply this time to invite and so on a kind of condition, will think of this to bind, the big feeling will be proud.

      The only question, was last night only then arrives is drunk the wind building to muddle along for one evening, tonight will see Shi Sufang, how the lovely wives to look at itself?

       Xiang Shaolong Tan the one breath said: “your elder brother good intention, my not have the good fortune to enjoy something. Because I must accompany the wife and children tonight in the home, please tell your elder brother, my Xiang Shaolong thought that he very suffices the friend is.”

      Four complexions micro change, appear very disappointed, the obvious dragon guessed at least although is also not far.

      After four fell the full mouth still to miss the point, but walked.

       Xiang Shaolong Xinguo in intense missing family's lovely wife is loving the suddenly, returned to the family to go busily.

      Returns to Wu government office, the Ji Yanran almost same time to come back, originally was to the Wei water drill will want the day after tomorrow then “to offer the world” the black dragon.

      Tian the sisters serve his two people to bathe joyfully change clothes, in which fluttering flags wonderland, states with difficulty.

      Loves with the lovely wife when the back garden binds enjoys the dusk the genial sunlight, Xiang Shaolong early Shi Sufang the incident throws various beyond the highest heavens.

      Did not know whether age steadily, also or has experienced the attack which too parts forever, he hates to leave the stable now that was popular warmly must melt unhappiness the family.

      With Ji Yanran , Zhao Zhi and Wu Tingfang three lovely wives idle talk daily family activity, looks that Tian Zhen, Tian Fengliang the female with just studied Xiang Bao’er which the dawn walks on the lawn to play, that kind of pleasure solid non-anything can substitute.

      Wu Tingfang results in possibly by the guardians place comes the news, knows to the early dynasty, once had matter of the quarrel, asked.

       Xiang Shaolong Zenmahui conceals them, had the early morning the matter one and said that but also told them to push tonight has been possible with Shi Sufang altogether meals opportunity.

      Wu Tingfang wonderful said: “Mister Xiang (hubby) did not fear that has offended the beautiful woman which Du (poison) and that any man has not wanted to be intimate with? Looked only the supple bone female blue palace ai beauty, might infer Shi Sufang the talent and skill.”

       Xiang Shaolong this time with three female sits in the pavilion, Tian the sisters and Xiang Bao’er the laughter, often wafts in the ear by on the pavilion outside lawn, in the heart is fulling the happy feeling, heartfelt sincerity tunnel: “so long as has three my good wife any accompanying, my Xiang Shaolong Yi is well satisfied, much less the present God shows mercy unexpectedly, teaches me the trivial ordinary person to support three to come from the space paradise the fairy maiden, how dare does my Xiang Shaolong also in addition have strives for absurdly?”

      Three female tender qu at the same time trembles lightly, the beaux yeux entangles, revealed that flamings the warm fire.

      Zhao Zhi is led astray the god to be drunk said: “the husband so, the husband duplicate what strives for, and court attendant in the same place, looked like every day just started to love one another that appearance! Sends results in happy did not know how to say.”

      The discipline said Yanran: “was a pity the clear elder sister to Shujun, otherwise this moment has been more perfect, hoped really my lord adult never used to go to battle with, the taste which left does not feel better really.”

      Qin Jun the law and discipline, goes to battle the officers and men may not accompany the wife and concubines, imposes light punishment drafts is the matter which all wife most is afraid.

       Xiang Shaolong remembers war's brutality, sighed the one breath deeply.

      Wu Tingfang moved, sits into him to cherish binds, hugs his neck saying:“Shaolong Jintang retracts from an engagement, Qiu Risheng must speak plausibly, will say that you have feared him!”

      The Ji Yanran sentiment moves, to him after death, has bent down to his tiger back comes up, supple sound track: “so long as has seen our imperator hundred sword's method people, what good luck will think Qiu Risheng only not knowing and doing. Humph! I record Yanran have been popular to the country show mercy, these people still did not know the gratitude, my lord adult, if toward warrior temporary office of president time, Yanran must go!”
    Xiang Shaolong exhilaration sends greatly said: “that not, if will face the meeting after tomorrow will ask him to do accounts!”

      Wu Tingfang and Zhao Zhi when simultaneously applauds, the discipline is Yanran “” a sound track: “must be late only then good! The crown prince will want others to teach him to the royal palace to study tomorrow, oh! The clear elder sister, does not have by to replace Yanran. Listens to talk clearly the elder sister to the crown prince is very severe, but I actually am not good! Wanted my board face too to be really laborious.”

       Xiang Shaolong then recalled to mind her also to seal has done the grand mentor.

      Simultaneously heart fresh feelings.

      Although Xiao Pan has not displayed, but he long for my late mother ni madame's, is in fact the profound side creates the pain. Must therefore replace extremely the object, is first Zhu the professional female entertainer, is pressing is Qin Qing.

      Now was the discipline is Yanran.

      Otherwise by him the ability and wisdom, that must other people teach him now to study?

      Wu Tingfang has kissed Xiang Shaolong cheeks, fragrant soft red lip, as soon as although just scratches the surface only touches, made his comfortable heart to be much Yanraner seeps the heart spleen, listened to this still to look like the young girl tender crazy beautiful wife supple sound track only: “item of Lang Zhifou the clear elder sister has the very big business in Bashu culture, the clear elder sister to makes money has the original story.”

       Xiang Shaolong Duiqin the clear family background origin has been very fuzzy, knows her is royal family's person only, is astonished greatly presses.

      This matter Ji Yanran most is clear, replies: “the clear elder sister originally is the Palestinian county large clan, his/her ancestor results in hole of the cinnabar, may make the medicine and dye, when product of the tired number world, to clear elder sister qin race already Cheng Bajun richest family. The Qin to fix with it, then high-ranking discusses marriage by the royal family to the clear elder sister. Actually could not think that the husband wedding ceremony just became, then must command troops goes to battle and died away in a foreign country differently, the clear elder sister to avoid other powerful official's entanglement, returns to Bashu culture, manages business, does dramatically, to the crown prince by Zhao Fanqin, the side in Lady Hua Yang under the proposition, returns to Xianyang, has made crown prince's grand mentor, meets your this full of affection my dear, sends falls again the sentiment pass.”

       Xiang Shaolong then understood that Qin Qing status such is why aloof, because not only because of Lady Hua Yang and Xiao Pan 's favor and trust, she has the family in Bashu culture to be the big backer.

      Just like Li Si said that to Bashu culture this kind of place influence huge special area, only then picks Huairou's policy to be only then good.

      Simultaneously had also understood why she this does come from Chu country's beautiful women with Lady Hua Yang to relate so closely, all because the Bashu culture near Chu boundary, looks like qin race that kind of rich armor place the large clan, the nature and the Chu king dynasty has the very complicated relations.

      Marries Qin Qing , not only may obtain this acme of beauty and deportment person, but may also obtain her huge family property, asked that who isn't jealous. Therefore Qin Qing only then does not dare blatantly and falls in love.

      Even if Qin Qing marries Xianyang, became the royal family, the background binds was still an item fills the political flavor the marital transaction.

      When state of mind leap, Wu light incoming telegram, the country is popular looks for him.

       Xiang Shaolong Tan the one breath, went out outside the pavilion, after hugging Xiang Bao’er kisses his small cheek, only then gives the field to be loyal, sees the country toward the hall to be popular.

      Is drinking tea the country is popular sees him to arrive, knelt unexpectedly has gotten down the company to knock on three to knocks, frightens Xiang Shaolong Mang to hold him, in the heart said clearly: “country gentlemen folded the ghost item some.”

      After two people sit, the country is popular the forced smile saying:“a now inferior duty comes this, originally is harbors evil intentions.”

       Xiang Shaolong knew in the heart that the stomach is bright he to have meaning of the surrender, but study has understood has believed the human not easily, micro says with a smile: “vice-commands whether to present life of the Qiu Guanzhu to seek my Xiang Shaolong to be unlucky?”

      The country is popular obviously with Qiu Risheng in the mumps, Leng Hng said : “why does he ask adult to be unlucky, because today adult the dynasty will be late, although his surface will ship out not the full shape, actually everybody will see him is feels relieved, but also seized the chance with cattail to slide has gone hunting to the suburb, we knew him are feared that item of adult will seek visits. After having looked at the item of adult's hundred sword France, who also has the guts to stroke item of adult the tiger to? Xiang Shaolong Ya said : “are that his why you seeing me?”

      The country is popular ashamedly however said: “franks, we this are in secret the human who two princes strive, the temporary office of president expenditure are also by cattail support secretly, otherwise did not have Yangquan Mr., went broke and closed down early. But in on the surface actually could not but attach to Lord Shi, Lv Buwei must ban the temporary office of president several times, a strength was putting up by in Lord Shi.”

      Also sighed the one breath saying:“Lv Buwei has the means very much, has bought in massively ours warrior the past, also Ming Guoan binds expressed that the royal government will not select the human who we will train. Is tired our money market to be short, looks after us after adult, the temporary office of president political ability shows improvement after illness.”

       Xiang Shaolong knows him not to understand itself and Du (poison) relations, when speaks of Du (poison) , the expression respects, cautiously.

      At present situation, he the truth will not disclose certainly will be popular to the country, the nod said: “what will the country brother later have to plan?”

      The country with throws again kneels ground, called out: “the country was popular before did has been unfair to the item of master's matter, also once injuried by the dirty trick has cut the master, the heinous crime. The hope later can make reparations only the merit, does one's best for an item of master to handle matters, dies with no regrets.”

      Had Wu Fu the lesson, Xiang Shaolong again not because of opposite party several words, but the completely letter will not doubt. Holds first him, passes: “the country brother have the words flattery, do not again so.”

      The country is popular said excitedly: “shows mercy from that day discipline talented woman, our country was popular had thought very many days, the salty Yangcheng who didn't know now the item of master righteousness thin cloud day, the thin oneself thick person, an item of master please let the villain follow you!”

       Xiang Shaolong forced smile said: “originally my prestige so?”

      The country is popular said: “an item of master two times has the opportunity, when prime ministers gently let off, also has promoted Li Si, Lord Huan Hechang Wen, to the early man favor which comes as you like by Handan has Canada, righteousness rescues Yan Crown Prince Dan, the bold matter righteous deed is too numerous to cite individually. We know fairly well early. Has hoodwinked because only by the personal gain the eye, but discipline talented woman that several guns cause me to awaken completely, looks can only follow about an item of master, does not need to manipulate strategically all day again with the human, does not need to worry that tomorrow will give that person to betray.”

      The item little could consider earnestly after a meeting, the nod said: “good! My then like you hope, but is recording the human who I not may deceive easily certainly, if detected that you have a character mouth not to the heart, stands kills without the amnesty.”

      The country is popular great happiness, throws ground toward.

      After Xiang Shaolong lets he kowtowed, assigns him to sit, said: “your as if some words wanted to tell me a moment ago, is actually what identical?”

      The country is popular the tree color to be dignified, pulls down the sound saying:“these matters I am completely guess depending on some signs, because I not yet have the qualifications to participate in Du Bi, cattail and the hall advocate their secret meeting, but has many matters actually to hand over down does by us, therefore only then had guessed to me comes out probably.”

       Xiang Shaolong is after the human who is used to the storm, indifferent said: “said!”

      The country is popular said: “they should subscribe the minute plan, good let two princes take position of the crown prince although, but generation of it, the key place still in east three counties, cattail was a Qin, but always could achieve success one way or another in Qin Zhao Jian, in addition the family influence was huge, also separately was related trhough marriage with the Zhao royal court and my Qin Empire royal court, places two places both to have the ingrained influence, if not he supported vigorously, two princes could also not arrive at that to bind the Bryophyllum Pinnatum.”

       Xiang Shaolong is suddenly enlighted.

      Looked like the strange people are Lv Buwei's wonderful goods, the achievement is the wonderful goods which cattail this another big business might occupy.

      In the past everybody could not think Xiao Pan might come back to wrest away position of the crown prince which became, therefore cattail, Du Bi, Lord Yangquan and so on has flattered beautiful madame with all one's strength and becomes.

      Who would have thought Xiao Pan succeeds to Zhao Fanqin, has crushed their fond dream immediately.

      Initially when they still not greatly thought highly of Lv Buwei possibly this business, is killed to Lord Yangquan by Lv Buwei, only then knows the situation not to be wonderful, but they are also unable to transfer the rudder, but the only outlet is helps seizes the throne.

      If Xiao Pan 's royal government is steady if Taishan, they are certainly difficult to have the opportunity to be exploited, is at present Qin Ting splits the crown prince party, Lu Dang and the party three big influences, engages in factional strife mutually, therefore cattail and so on is ready to make trouble.

      The country is popular continues said: “cattail the fiercest method, is colludes with senior general Pang who the present Zhao wields great power with great arrogance to be warm, although I do not know the further information, but listens to the hall main tone, Pang Nuanzheng the secret links the Three-Jin, Chu Ren and the swallow person, forms an alliance by broken Lv Buwei and Tiandan's secret, simultaneously helps two princes to ascend the Qin throne, but conceivable, is the Du jade must make in Xianyang the turmoil, if Lv Buwei has the change, that has been better, because that must bring about the Qin country army the fission, decided at that time will have the military officer to throw toward two princes serves under somebody's banner, coordinates the Zhao Ren support, the momentumGreatly different.”

       Xiang Shaolong Angan is proud, the previous suspicion, is precisely the difference which and the present country was popular said is not far, had not thought only Pang Nuanzheng arranged another Chu, the swallow, Zhao, Wei, Han alliance conspiring densely.

      Although simultaneously secretly the downcast, Li Yuan, Lord Long Yang, Crown Prince Dan is also on intimate terms with, but in the country to country's situation, spot individual personal relationships does not exist.

      The reality was such brutal.

      The country is popular sinks the sound track: “must make the chaos, best, it would be better if assassinates an item of master, everybody the account calculated at that time comes up to Lv Buwei's body, the consequence might infer.”

       Xiang Shaolong Wei says with a smile: “wants to kill me the human not to be few!”

      The country is popular Rong Bu: “an item of master is sure not to neglect it lightly, cattail and Pang Nuan arranges long time, has gathered one group of outstandingly able people different mister in each region, also concentrates in Zhao trains technique of the assassination, now parts in the middle approves dives Xianyang, including three people are kisses by me toward aids, is the first-class skilled person, one of them calls 'to barefoot the immortal' the invader to be fierce, is master who Chu Mojin two ten years most stands out, looked only he puts on the shoe unexpectedly, apparent he holds does not hesitate to give one's life assassinates the item of master's determination.”

       Xiang Shaolong has sucked in cold air, if must guard against this kind of group of people ready to die all day to assassinate itself, what pleasure the personhood also does have, asks: “cattail that song-and-dance troupe, whether also hidden assassin?”

      The country with said: “should be this, but I knew limitedly, therefore not was too clear.”

       Xiang Shaolong said : “you aid that three people, whether now still to maintain with you the contact?”

      In the heart also felt that Chu country is willing to send for to participation this assassinates own motion, must receive Li Yuan to agree, how could it not be Li Yuan also does want to kill him? In the heart is uncomfortable immediately, does not dare to guess again.

      But cannot bear suspected that what Li Yuanyao does kill him not to have, if Lord Long Yang also wants to kill him, his Xiang Shaolong Shi was very difficult to enjoy.

      Or this is the regional sword's individual action!

      The country is popular replies: after “shields they enter the city, they then voluntarily hidden.”

      Also said: “our temporary office of president has also come several new situation people, worked as the hall main next to the skin to accompany, looked like hid the true identity master.”

       Xiang Shaolong An sighs this to be called a wave not evenly, a wave gets up.

      Now the Qin has become the East Zhu Guo public enemy, already cannot flatter in the battlefield, only has dives does the subversion, this kind of matter ancient and modern like one, has not distinguished.

      The country is popular said: “now I present life of the Manager Qiu to come this, wants the contract date to fight again, but will actually be in 15 in the future, I guessed that he thought will have this section of days, that group of people ready to die this might succeed an assassination item of master.”

       Xiang Shaolong said : “that tells him, item of somebody wants to look at the appointed time the mood only then kept an appointment. Hey! You bound in this have stopped over such for a long time, did not fear that they began to have suspicions?”

      The country is popular says with a smile: “I will use a pretext an item of master to put on the airs of full, was tired I to wait half time painstakingly! After going back, I pry as far as possible the concerned assassin's news, tries to inform an item of master again.”

       Xiang Shaolong Pai has patted his shoulder, said: “must inform me not to be easy? A bit faster registers the helper! The country vice-commands.”

      Two people look at each other to laugh, the country was popular leaves only then overjoyed.

      In returns to the hall, told the matter three lovely wives, after wearing they come in and go out carefully, Ji Yanran said: “their goal is not you, but is the political crown prince, said that must kill the smoke screen which you are only cover their ears and eyes!”

      As soon as Xiang Shaolong shakes as if awakening from a dream said: “I am really muddled, so long as has killed the crown prince, only will then cause the true chaos immediately, Cheng Yike becomes the successor perfectly justifiable.”

      Said really, this time he instead lays down the heart to come, if because Xiao Pan has died, perhaps in the history will not have Chin Shihhuang, China also not to appear.

      Ji Yanran said: “this matter we must adopt initiative, hates the city health to grip tightly only, in Guan Zhongxie in the hand, otherwise matter on Yi Banduo.”

      When Xiang Shaolong Zheng hesitates, the guardians incoming telegram, is Du (poison) your honorable self presence.

       Xiang Shaolong gets up painstakingly when the face comes, Wu Tingfang says with a smile: “if could not decline, was perfunctory him one late! We most trust an item of court attendant.”.

       Xiang Shaolong Tan the one breath, exited to see Du (poison) .

    you know how i translate Xiao pan.. systran call it small dish..... I guess I have translated all the figures so far appear in this book. Use your imagination to understand the story through this translation


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    Oh... I forgot something.. i guess Du (poison) meaning Lao Ai

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    Quote Originally Posted by samsung View Post
    Oh... I forgot something.. i guess Du (poison) meaning Lao Ai
    @samsung:- it's alright if you want to post machine translations but please put it under a spoiler alert. The posted translation isn't properly edited or completed and many of us are waiting patiently for a quality bit of translation from our regular translators. I do not mean to be disrespectful but what you have posted is quite incoherent and out of place.

    can the mods please take care of this
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    I'll step in to finish the translation. But need to get a new laptop first. Won't be the same speed though cos I'm running 3 businesses and juggling 3 relationships now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin13 View Post
    I'll step in to finish the translation. But need to get a new laptop first. Won't be the same speed though cos I'm running 3 businesses and juggling 3 relationships now!
    That's good news! We're all looking forward to your wonderful translation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samsung View Post
    Sorry Pal..but using Pablo translator palestine means Ba and Canada means Jia..I don't know how to compose the sentences, but if you've already read the book again and again I'am sure that you can conclude the meaning of the sentences like me..who already read ending of the books.

    Here another one....
    No offense but can you hide your information in a spoiler? I'd really rather not read it or accidentally read it when I click on the thread. I know that some people say that any translation is better than none, but I am accustomed to the richness and style of previous translators and only want their versions. I don't want to have to guess garbled words. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin13 View Post
    I'll step in to finish the translation. But need to get a new laptop first. Won't be the same speed though cos I'm running 3 businesses and juggling 3 relationships now!
    wow Justin is a lot like XSL..juggling 3 relationships
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin13 View Post
    I'll step in to finish the translation. But need to get a new laptop first. Won't be the same speed though cos I'm running 3 businesses and juggling 3 relationships now!
    welcome back mate and take all the time u need
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    I'll step in to finish the translation. But need to get a new laptop first. Won't be the same speed though cos I'm running 3 businesses and juggling 3 relationships now!
    I cant help with translation... but if you have spare women i might be able to help ou out with that :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin13 View Post
    I'll step in to finish the translation. But need to get a new laptop first. Won't be the same speed though cos I'm running 3 businesses and juggling 3 relationships now!
    Mixing business with pleasure, huhh?? I kinda like it!!
    So, your business involves 'juggling' things??

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    Please remove the machine translated bits. It is an insult to all of the translators who spent quality time and effort to make this such a great work to read. If you want to keep providing machine translations, make a separate thread so that I don't have to violate my eyes with that rubbish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grundle View Post
    Please remove the machine translated bits. It is an insult to all of the translators who spent quality time and effort to make this such a great work to read. If you want to keep providing machine translations, make a separate thread so that I don't have to violate my eyes with that rubbish.

    What did the palm say to the face ?

    SLAP

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliderhamy View Post
    What did the palm say to the face ?

    SLAP

    I don't get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliderhamy View Post
    What did the palm say to the face ?

    SLAP

    What is your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grundle View Post
    Please remove the machine translated bits. It is an insult to all of the translators who spent quality time and effort to make this such a great work to read. If you want to keep providing machine translations, make a separate thread so that I don't have to violate my eyes with that rubbish.

    Your post is rubbish and violating my eyes, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by balikpapan View Post
    Your post is rubbish and violating my eyes, too.
    Ok no problem. Since you love machine translation so much, you can read my translations that way too. I can take them elsewhere where people appreciate the hard work and time we sacrifice for moochers like you. Everyone can now thank you for this great service you have done for spcnet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grundle View Post
    Please remove the machine translated bits. It is an insult to all of the translators who spent quality time and effort to make this such a great work to read. If you want to keep providing machine translations, make a separate thread so that I don't have to violate my eyes with that rubbish.
    While I applaud the attempt to translate, the raw machine translated text is really jarring on the senses. It's quite a WTF experience.

    *** Avert thy eyes lest thou be driven mad by my machine translation post processing ramblings ***


    On a side note, I started on a crude adaptive genre-specific post processor for machine translations (i.e. I would translate using Google or Babelfish as a first pass, and then apply a second pass that would do a book specific words replacement). The replacement word or phrase is based on an adaptive ranking system so that the more you pick a particular substitution the more preferred it becomes.

    I had a prototype that had the original text, the machine translated text and a manually translated text. The original text is fed to Google which populates into the machine translated text. The machine translated text is also populated into the manually translated text.

    Highlighting words or phrases in the manual translation causes a lookup in my customized dictionary which has word entries each with a list of possible translations/substitutes and their rankings. Picking a substitute replaces the machine translated text in the manual translated part with the substitute. If the dictionary currently doesn't have a translation or substitute you can provide a new entry. The manually translated text also allows free edit. There also an auto translation mode where it applies all matching dictionary entries with the highest ranking to all of the machine translated text using a greedy match style.

    I also started a training (dictionary creation) mode where I have the original, machine translated text and already translated text (e.g. I took sample of SDXL/ROCH, feed it through Google, and then obtained the equivalent translation from spcnet). By highlighting the machine translated words, and then highlighting the spcnet translation I can create a dictionary entry.

    FAQ:

    1. Why do you want to do this?

    Well, Google and Babelfish don't recognize genre specific terms (nei gong, qing gong, etc.), proper names or places so it will translated them literally. While you can manually do a search and replace it's rather cumbersome to do so. These words/phrases also tend to be repeated many times through out the whole book or series of books so it would be nice to make this correction once, and have it applied automatically going forward.

    2. Why didn't you just create your custom dictionary on the original Chinese text as opposed to the machine translated text?

    It's a lot of work to create entries for every Chinese character or phrase, and I'm sure Google and Babelfish can do a much better job than I.

    3. Why is it crude?

    It's a direct word or phrase (as in a series of adjacent words) replacement. It will not handle grammar rules or recognize sentence structure. The hope is that Google or Babelfish would have done this already (and if they didn't it probably can't be done easily).

    4. Why do you bother spamming this board with this?

    I need someone to populate the dictionary and/or help me code some fixes or enhancements. I ran into this issue where human translators changed the punctuation so it became rather difficult to match translated sentences back to their original or machine translated text which in turn impacts the dictionary population/training. Creating a SitP dictionary from the existing translation would be useful for further translations....

    5. Is this a commercial endeavor? i.e. Is there profit in doing this?

    Not as far as I can see. While I think genre or work specific translation dictionaries is a neat idea, post processing machine translations from Google or Babelfish is a niche market at best.

    While thoughts of specialized legal or technical dictionaries danced through my head, most official translations require certain credentials so I don't think something like this is really viable (Recently I paid 150 USD to translate a 2 page diploma even though I could probably translate it myself just fine -in fact they made a mistake that I caught). I even ran this idea by my cousin who works at Yahoo as a researcher (ph.d in CS from Cornell), and she didn't seem to think this was all that interesting.

    6. What do you call this application?

    BTMaoTranslator or maybe BTMaoTranslationHelper
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    while i have no issue with you posting the machine translations, i think it is more amiable and polite if it were done so under spoiler alert/tag...many of us would like to get the top quality work that some of our translators put time and effort into than dissuade and discourage them when they come on and see half baked machine-based work on here..if you want help translating do the above and i believe many would help you out in your endeavor...
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    Most to the point, if we wanted to read machine translated stuff we can use Google Translate too.

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